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Do the wounded at Ft. Hood get a Purple Heart?
vanity question | 11/10/09 | Mamzelle

Posted on 11/11/2009 7:07:45 PM PST by Mamzelle

I'm not military, but my understanding is that a Purple Heart is for those wounded in action. Do these dead and wounded qualify? If not, would it be proper to lobby for them to receive the medal.


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: combat; forthood; fthood; purpleheart; purplehearts; wounded
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1 posted on 11/11/2009 7:07:46 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
I wondered that myself.

Since we are involved in a war on terror, and this was a terrorist attack, it would seem fitting to award Purple Hearts.

2 posted on 11/11/2009 7:09:49 PM PST by sonofagun
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To: Mamzelle

Probably not. For the DOD to issue a purple heart, they’d have to admit that Hasan was a traitor. That’s not going to fly, politically.


3 posted on 11/11/2009 7:11:58 PM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: Mamzelle

Obama would probably like to give one to Hasan.


4 posted on 11/11/2009 7:12:52 PM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood
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To: sonofagun

I mean, I don’t want to offend. But this is combat to my eyes. They came under enemy fire. And it is a chance to point out to General Diversity that if he insists that soldiers die for diversity (instead of freedom), at least they should be honored for it.


5 posted on 11/11/2009 7:12:57 PM PST by Mamzelle (Who is Kenneth Gladney? (Don't forget to bring your cameras))
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To: OldDeckHand
re: That’s not going to fly, politically.)))

Well, maybe we should give this bird a launching party.

6 posted on 11/11/2009 7:14:09 PM PST by Mamzelle (Who is Kenneth Gladney? (Don't forget to bring your cameras))
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To: Mamzelle

No... they wont... because it was an act of treason,
and Obama will never recognize it to be what it is.


7 posted on 11/11/2009 7:16:47 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Mamzelle

who gives a care about medals? These soldiers are dead.


8 posted on 11/11/2009 7:16:56 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Mamzelle
Well, maybe we should give this bird a launching party.

I'm in.

9 posted on 11/11/2009 7:17:57 PM PST by sonofagun
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To: Mamzelle
Well, maybe we should give this bird a launching party.

I'm in.

10 posted on 11/11/2009 7:18:14 PM PST by sonofagun
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To: Mamzelle

Let me put this gently - no.


11 posted on 11/11/2009 7:18:15 PM PST by stormer
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To: Mamzelle

And they are victims, not “fallen.”


12 posted on 11/11/2009 7:18:44 PM PST by cornelis
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To: Mamzelle

I’ve emailed my reps, such as they are, to agitate for awarding the Purple Heart to the dead/wounded of the Fort Hood massacre.

This needs to be made an upfront in your face political issue that forces the POTUS, the Army Chief of Staff, and the entire chain of command to say either YES or NO and know the reason why!

These Soldiers were killed or wounded by a known enemy terrorist! The Purple Heart honors those whose blood was shed in wartime, whether they were actively engaging the enemy or not. And Nidal Hasan is the terrorist enemy, he is for now the tip of their spear!!

“They also serve who only stand and wait.”


13 posted on 11/11/2009 7:22:04 PM PST by elcid1970 ("O Muslim! My bullets are dipped in pig grease!")
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To: Mamzelle
Well, for this stupid government they must first admit it's not an "Overseas Contingency Operation". Since it did not happen overseas the bad word "terror" may be ushered right back to the front. A treasonist act by a muslim jihadist will be a hard pill for this jack-ass administration.

Yes, they should be treated as killed or wounded in combat, JMHO! (FUBO!)

14 posted on 11/11/2009 7:25:01 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: Mamzelle

You are thinking about a piece of medal when soldiers have been killed?

Screw your head on straight.


15 posted on 11/11/2009 7:26:33 PM PST by silentreignofheroes
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To: elcid1970
I’ve emailed my reps, such as they are, to agitate for awarding the Purple Heart to the dead/wounded of the Fort Hood massacre.

Commanding General at Ft.Hood would be a good place to start. Military appreciates chain of command in correspondence.

16 posted on 11/11/2009 7:28:12 PM PST by sonofagun
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood

You have a problem.


17 posted on 11/11/2009 7:29:52 PM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: Mamzelle

it depends if an American is in the white house.


18 posted on 11/11/2009 7:31:31 PM PST by omega4179 (14: real death toll from islamist terror attack R.I.P 11/5/09)
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To: silentreignofheroes
You are thinking about a piece of medal when soldiers have been killed?

A very significant piece of medal.

It is a symbol from the CIC our country to the soldier's family that they did not die in vain.

Although they were processing in or out at Ft. Hood, they are still in the fight.

19 posted on 11/11/2009 7:32:48 PM PST by sonofagun
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To: Mamzelle

If UAV drivers in Nevada can get DFCs and Air Medals then why not?


20 posted on 11/11/2009 7:36:40 PM PST by paddles
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To: Mamzelle

Maybe the Jerk will admit this was a jihad attack!


21 posted on 11/11/2009 7:37:14 PM PST by Empireoftheatom48 (Zero will never be my President, never!!!!!)
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To: Mamzelle

No. Do not lobby anyone about it. Nobody joins the military to get medals and the people that receive them never feel they are deserving.


22 posted on 11/11/2009 7:39:04 PM PST by rabidralph (http://www.thealaskafundtrust.com/ http://www.sarahpac.com)
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To: elcid1970

Not everything is worthy of getting one’s panties in a bunch and it seems to happen a lot on this site.


23 posted on 11/11/2009 7:41:07 PM PST by rabidralph (http://www.thealaskafundtrust.com/ http://www.sarahpac.com)
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To: Mamzelle; All
The Purple Heart is awarded to members of the armed forces of the U.S. who are wounded by an instrument of war in the hands of the enemy and posthumously to the next of kin in the name of those who are killed in action or die of wounds received in action. It is specifically a combat decoration. There are several other Medals that can be awarded, but those would go to any Soldier for acts of meritorious service or bravery, or distinguished service.

Many Countries have a "Sacrifice" Medal they award for similar situations, but we don't. Canada has denigrated theirs, I'm told, by awarding it to those who have committed suicide due to stress either in combat, or stressed about going to a combat zone.

I would not like to see the Purple Heart devalued by awarding it in this situation, but rather a new Medal that commemorates loss of life in the line of duty other than combat.

I'm amazed that we don't, already, have one, as we have so many others that are awarded for much, much less than being murdered by a muzzie terrorist.
24 posted on 11/11/2009 7:41:23 PM PST by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: stormer; Mamzelle
Let me put this gently - no.

Actually, I think they might. I'm not military (so not sure of the policies of awarding medals), but I live right by Fort Hood and there is still non-stop coverage of the jihadi massacre on our local news channels. I heard just a day or two ago that the victims would likely receive Purple Hearts. Again, I don't know if this would be standard protocol or a special exception.

FWIW.

Good question, Mamzelle...I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it unfolds.

25 posted on 11/11/2009 7:41:29 PM PST by TXBlair (Is it too much to expect that Obozo, the dang CIC, would know that Ft. Hood is a post, not a base?)
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To: mamelukesabre

Shame on you!


26 posted on 11/11/2009 7:42:32 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Mamzelle

The event would have to be officially recognized as terrorizm...


27 posted on 11/11/2009 7:42:58 PM PST by Shamrock-DW
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To: stormer

And shame on you, too.


28 posted on 11/11/2009 7:43:32 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: paddles

DFC is for skill, not loss of life or bravery. The Purple Heart will loose it’s meaning if it is awarded for non combat loss of life.

This is a new situation for us, there needs to be a new Medal.


29 posted on 11/11/2009 7:43:32 PM PST by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: cornelis

And double shame on you!


30 posted on 11/11/2009 7:44:18 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Mamzelle
3. Criteria: a. The Purple Heart is awarded in the name of the President of the United States to any member of an Armed Force who, while serving with the U.S. Armed Services after 5 April 1917, has been wounded or killed, or who has died or may hereafter die after being wounded;

            (1) In any action against an enemy of the United States;

            (2) In any action with an opposing armed force of a foreign country in which the Armed Forces of the United States are or have been engaged;

            (3) While serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party;

            (4) As a result of an act of any such enemy of opposing armed forces;

            (5) As the result of an act of any hostile foreign force;

            (6) After 28 March 1973, as a result of an international terrorist attack against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the United States, recognized as such an attack by the Secretary of the department concerned, or jointly by the Secretaries of the departments concerned if persons from more than one department are wounded in the attack; or,

            (7) After 28 March 1973, as a result of military operations, while serving outside the territory of the United States as part of a peacekeeping force.

            (8) After 7 December 1941, by weapon fire while directly engaged in armed conflict, regardless of the fire causing the wound.

            (9) While held as a prisoner of war or while being taken captive.

        b. A wound for which the award is made must have required treatment by a medical officer.


31 posted on 11/11/2009 7:44:31 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: rabidralph

You don’t know what others think. Particularly the family members.


32 posted on 11/11/2009 7:45:22 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: rabidralph

It appalls me to think that FReepers are trivializing the Purple Heart. Sickening, actually.


33 posted on 11/11/2009 7:46:49 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: silentreignofheroes

The Purple Heart is a high honor, given to note the profound sacrifice that the awardee made for our Country. It is awarded to those injured and killed in a conflict.

The unarmed victims at Ft. Hood deserve that recognition; and the Army/Administration needs to award the medal as a gesture affirming that Hasan was acting as a traitor and as an enemy combatant.


34 posted on 11/11/2009 7:56:30 PM PST by PennsylvaniaMom (Mmm, mmm, mmm.)
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To: Kirkwood

Given that John Kerry got one, I don’t think the people who are suggesting the Ft. Hood victims deserve it are “trivializing” it.


35 posted on 11/11/2009 7:59:19 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Kirkwood

Ah, you are sharp. Now I need a purple heart, too.


36 posted on 11/11/2009 8:06:44 PM PST by cornelis
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To: GovernmentShrinker

John Kerry did that on his own. Lets not let him win that battle. Your sarcasm is not lost but your lack of decency is.


37 posted on 11/11/2009 8:06:47 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Before you whack me over the head, I read that completely incorrect. I apologize for that. Good grief!


38 posted on 11/11/2009 8:12:53 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: verity

I definitely have a problem with Obama.


39 posted on 11/11/2009 8:13:42 PM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood
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To: Mamzelle

My opinion, yes.

In light of the current CIC, not gonna happen. Zero is going to continue to spin this as someone who snapped after being picked on. And then make political hay out of it to push other agenda - “health care”, “gun control”, etc. It’s already started. Dingy Harry is using this incident to push the “health care”.


40 posted on 11/11/2009 8:20:55 PM PST by Fred Hayek (From this point forward the Democratic Party will be referred to as the Communist Party)
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To: elcid1970

This is one of those things that Congress may correct years from now. I predict you’ll see the decorations handed out when the Republicans regain control of Congress. It would be an excellent 2-fer: recognize our casualties for their sacrifice, and stick it to Obama.


41 posted on 11/11/2009 8:32:59 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: elcid1970

This is one of those things that Congress may correct years from now. I predict you’ll see the decorations handed out when the Republicans regain control of Congress. It would be an excellent 2-fer: recognize our casualties for their sacrifice, and stick it to Obama.


42 posted on 11/11/2009 8:33:03 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: eyedigress

Not to worry. It’s late. Reading comprehension fades as bedtime approaches :-)

G’night


43 posted on 11/11/2009 8:55:54 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Mamzelle

No they won’t. This is being categorized as a crime involving Americans, not combat with an enemy soldier.

All they got were purple lips, in the form of cursory attention from BHO.


44 posted on 11/11/2009 9:50:25 PM PST by Psalm 144 (What did you think NEW WORLD ORDER meant? The Constitution? States' rights? Individual liberty?)
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To: mamelukesabre
who gives a care about medals? These soldiers are dead.

So? Those killed due to enemy action or while in war situations (for example crashes while being inserted, but not due directly to enemy action) get the Purple Heart.

Plus there's over twice as many wounded as killed.

45 posted on 11/11/2009 10:13:37 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Mamzelle
One observation. When soldiers are killed in accidents or ordinary crimes, they don't send the bodies to Dover AFB for processing. That is normally only done for combat casualties, or in some cases non-combat "line of duty" accidents, like plane crashes.

Plus, they never "call the roll, for victims of crimes or accidents.

46 posted on 11/11/2009 10:16:30 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Mamzelle

I heard that President Obama was going to award Hasan the purple heart. /sarc


47 posted on 11/11/2009 10:26:08 PM PST by Nosterrex
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood
"Obama would probably like to give one to Hasan."

Best comment I read all week.

48 posted on 11/11/2009 10:27:43 PM PST by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: Kirkwood

I served in the military and I know how I would feel about receiving an award because of this attack.


49 posted on 11/12/2009 5:02:15 AM PST by rabidralph (http://www.thealaskafundtrust.com/ http://www.sarahpac.com)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom; sonofagun

Don’t take me wrong .These folks at Hood deserve recognition for their service.

I just can’t put a medal over life.These folks were gunned down in cold blood.If it had been a combat situation,I’m sure some results would had turned out different.

The Purple Heart is not awarded to soldiers who have died while not engaged in combat.

Reckon this incident got to me alittle.


50 posted on 11/12/2009 5:24:15 AM PST by silentreignofheroes
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