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Witnesses: Obama birth lawyer told us to lie
http://totalbuzz.freedomblogging.com/2009/11/11/witnesses-obama-birth-lawyer-told-us-to-lie/ ^ | November 11th, 2009, 5:00 am | Martin Wisckol

Posted on 11/12/2009 12:36:30 PM PST by fours

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To: Lurking Libertarian

For the Indiana court to accept the dicta over the actual holding was very bold of them. Their “holding”, IMO, will be challenged in the future.


81 posted on 11/14/2009 4:51:54 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: DallasDeb

Apparently so. He’s either a believable witness and Zero is, in fact, homo or bisexual, or he’s lying about everything.

Lefties can’t have it ‘both ways’. Yet still they try.


82 posted on 11/14/2009 5:08:21 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: danamco

We don’t need nuts to uphold the constitution. It does fine all bu itself.


83 posted on 11/14/2009 5:24:08 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: danamco

So what does a signature have to do with anything?


84 posted on 11/14/2009 6:34:51 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: mojitojoe

Isn’t his behavior regarding Fort Hood and, now, bringing a terrorist to NYC for a **civilian** trial proof enough? I think so.

The Founding Fathers were wise to put in that requirement that our president and Commander in Chief be a natural born citizen. We, today, would be wise to abide by it.


85 posted on 11/14/2009 7:30:06 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Raycpa

Really, you must live in a dream world, hmmmm...hmmmm...hmmmm!!!


86 posted on 11/15/2009 5:47:08 AM PST by danamco
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To: danamco

Still wondering what your point about the signature was, hmmmm...hmmmm...hmmmm!!!


87 posted on 11/15/2009 10:28:34 AM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: danamco
Are you able to produce any better attorney for this political scam???

Why would I? The real question is, are you? Because if Taitz is the best you've got, then you've got nothing.

88 posted on 11/15/2009 11:40:44 AM PST by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: Tatze

The Supreme Court of the United States has refused to rule on any of the 7 lawsuits that have reached them concerning Obama’s eligibility. The cases are Berg v Obama, Craig v US, Donofrio v Wells, Herbert v Obama et al., Lightfoot v Bowen, Schneller v Cortes and Wrotnowski v Bysiewicz.

Since it only takes four of the nine justices (”the rule of four”) to “grant cert” and agree to hear a lawsuit before the full court, its obvious that even the traditionalists/strick consructionists/conservatives on the court: Alito, Kennedy, Roberts, Scalia and/or Thomas have not been persuaded to take on this issue.


89 posted on 11/15/2009 12:16:20 PM PST by jamese777
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To: rxsid
For the Indiana court to accept the dicta over the actual holding was very bold of them.

They didn't reject the holding-- nothing they did conflicts with the holding of any SCOTUS decision. They did follow the Supreme Court's dictum, which is generally what lower courts do when there is no binding precedent on point. Not terribly bold of them.

Their “holding”, IMO, will be challenged in the future.

I'm sure it will be challenged in the future, but I strongly doubt it will be rejected by any court.

90 posted on 11/15/2009 12:26:44 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: rxsid
For the Indiana court to accept the dicta over the actual holding was very bold of them.

They didn't reject the holding-- nothing they did conflicts with the holding of any SCOTUS decision. They did follow the Supreme Court's dictum, which is generally what lower courts do when there is no binding precedent on point. Not terribly bold of them.

Their “holding”, IMO, will be challenged in the future.

I'm sure it will be challenged in the future, but I strongly doubt it will be rejected by any court.

91 posted on 11/15/2009 12:26:56 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Hildy

“Where can I find a record of really how much Obama has spent? Someone keeps using this as an argument..implying that we are lying...where do I find the proof?”

I asked that question for months. The amount spent is goes up and down and there is never a source. I did read somewhere that Obama campaign funds were used prior to the election and the DOJ defends a sitting president at taxpayer expense. So, perhaps Obama has not spent a cent defending himself.


92 posted on 11/15/2009 5:34:46 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (TIME Person Of The Year, 2006 (Look it up!).)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
"They didn't reject the holding-- nothing they did conflicts with the holding of any SCOTUS decision."

And "determining" that a child born to an alien parent is in fact a "Natural Born Citizen" came from what SCOTUS holding?

93 posted on 11/16/2009 12:20:58 AM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Tatze; LucyT
Why would I? The real question is, are you? Because if Taitz is the best you've got, then you've got nothing.

Apparently the real issue, the CONSTITUTION, is NOT important to you???

So like the usurper's ilks and like-minded "workers" here on F.R. it is more important to kill the messenger that the real message, and then spending a fortune of your tax dollars to cover up this political take-over or coup makes a lots of sense? BHO, hmmmm...hmmmm...hmmmm!!!

94 posted on 11/16/2009 7:29:44 AM PST by danamco
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To: rxsid
And "determining" that a child born to an alien parent is in fact a "Natural Born Citizen" came from what SCOTUS holding?

As I've said several times, there is no SCOTUS holding either way, but there is a strong, well-considered dictum, supported by much historical eveidence, that a child born on U.S. soil to two alien parents is a natural born citizen, and the Indiana court followed that-- which is what any court would do.

95 posted on 11/16/2009 10:19:04 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: danamco

Seriously, what do you have?? Not much. You don’t have the supposed smoking gun birth certificate. You have a rather dubious Constitutional interpretation of “Natural Born”. And you have a pathetically inept lawyer.

I wish you had the smoking gun to save the country from this nightmare, but I tend to deal in truth and provable facts, of which, on this issue, you are in short supply.


96 posted on 11/16/2009 10:32:20 AM PST by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: danamco
In typical obamnoid style, the poster trying to bait you has left out the fraudulent exhibits Barry placed on the INternet to deceive we the people, left out the list of social security numbers in Barry's name, left out the facts surrounding the army sent around the world to destroy or sequester all data in Barry's history, left out the suspiciously missing documents from Barry's educational history, left out the material related to Barry's legal names, Lolo's adoption of him and Indonesian citizenship, and left out the real possibilities related to Barry using his Indonesian citizenship to game the entry and tuition factors for Occidental College and a passport to travel on Indonesian citizenship while in college.

Deceit is the only way Barry's kneepad sycophancy can cover for their obamessiah. If you contineu to exchange posts with obamanoids, they will repeat the same lies they've used, deceive readers int he same ways, and ridicule Barry's opposition. Some of these scum have even admitted that this kneepadding they engage in is a primary source of amusement for them. Think of how twisted that is!

97 posted on 11/16/2009 10:46:00 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: SaxxonWoods; Hildy
“I did read somewhere that Obama campaign funds were used prior to the election and the DOJ defends a sitting president at taxpayer expense. So, perhaps Obama has not spent a cent defending himself.”

That is my understanding as well. His campaign paid 1.7 million to Perkins & Cole for a variety of legal services during the campaign, among those services was legal advice and defense for eligibility lawsuits, IIRC. Now as President, the taxpayers pick up the check via the DOJ.

The 1.7 million figure is solid, I understand. But it is for a variety of legal services and not all directed towards “hiding the birth certificate” as some try to characterize it. I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't some ‘wink-wink, nudge-nudge’ over-billing as it was campaign cash and not a dime out of BHO’s pocket.

98 posted on 11/16/2009 11:34:49 AM PST by El Sordo
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To: MHGinTN

Tatze isn’t baiting anyone...I’ve gotten similar treatment.

While there are some possible eligibility issues, re: his Indonesian residence and whether he held/holds “dual citizenship” - the birth certificate thing in and of itself is a ridiculous wild goose chase.

Where we really need to focus, IMHO, is on his involvement with the election side of ACORN.


99 posted on 11/16/2009 11:45:46 AM PST by RockinRight (The sleeping giant has been awoken, and he's PISSED.)
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To: MHGinTN

I meant I’ve gotten similar treatment when I’ve suggested that the “birthers” make the conservative movement look bad.


100 posted on 11/16/2009 11:46:21 AM PST by RockinRight (The sleeping giant has been awoken, and he's PISSED.)
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