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A Novel Idea. Register non-gun owners
resistnet ^ | 10/21/2009 | wayne Crook

Posted on 11/13/2009 8:41:12 AM PST by mikelets456

Subject: A Novel Idea

Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, as well as Vermont 's own Constitution very carefully, and his strict interpretation of these documents is popping some eyeballs in New England and elsewhere.

Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and require them to pay a $500 fee to the state. Thus Vermont would become the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun

Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not only affirming the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as a clear mandate to do so. He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by the Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" by the government as well as criminals

Vermont 's constitution states explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State" and those persons who are "conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent." Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any situation that may arise."

Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver's license number with the state. "There is a legitimate government interest in knowing who is not prepared to defend the state should they be asked to do so," Maslack says

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"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Local News; Outdoors; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; falsestory; nongun; nottrue; owners; register; satire; urbanlegend

1 posted on 11/13/2009 8:41:16 AM PST by mikelets456
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To: mikelets456

People that need the police the most should pay the most.


2 posted on 11/13/2009 8:44:08 AM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: mikelets456

Whoa!


3 posted on 11/13/2009 8:44:53 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: mountainlion
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4 posted on 11/13/2009 8:46:06 AM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: mikelets456

Works for me.


5 posted on 11/13/2009 8:46:47 AM PST by SAMWolf (Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed. Lazarus Long, Time Enough for Love)
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To: mikelets456

Sounds like the same logic that Nancypants is using to justify the forced purchase of health care.


6 posted on 11/13/2009 8:48:26 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Joe Wilson speaks for me.)
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To: mikelets456

And a website with maps to everyone who doesn’t carry a gun.....

If we are wanting to already make life safer for the criminals then why not take it tot he next logical step....


7 posted on 11/13/2009 8:50:50 AM PST by GraceG
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To: mikelets456

I’m po. Can I get a firearm foodstamp?


8 posted on 11/13/2009 8:51:18 AM PST by walford (http://the-big-pic.org)
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To: mikelets456

Clever. Constitutionally unjustifiable (the 2nd amendment clearly does not mandate gun ownership; having the right does not mandate exercising the right) — but clever nonetheless.

SnakeDoc


9 posted on 11/13/2009 8:52:23 AM PST by SnakeDoctor ("Talk low, talk slow, and don't say too much." -- John Wayne)
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To: Yo-Yo
Except in this case the state constitution actually says something about the subject:

Vermont 's constitution states explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State" and those persons who are "conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent."

Nanzi Pelosi is making her justification out of whole cloth.

10 posted on 11/13/2009 8:52:23 AM PST by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: SnakeDoctor

Check the cited language in the state constitution. This couldn’t be applied nationwide, but actually appears justified for Vermont.


11 posted on 11/13/2009 8:54:34 AM PST by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: walford
“I’m po. Can I get a firearm foodstamp?”

Nope, you do not need a weapon to rob tax payers via welfare.

12 posted on 11/13/2009 8:55:57 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: MortMan

But State constitutions cannot run afoul of the US Constitution.

It would make for an interesting case.


13 posted on 11/13/2009 8:56:09 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Joe Wilson speaks for me.)
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To: mountainlion

Why not? It’s the same logic that Pelosi is using to pass the healthcare sham. She says people who don’t have healthcare increase the costs for those who do have it, so everyone must be forced to get it.

So, those who don’t have guns increase the costs (crime, no-defense death, etc.) for those who do own guns. Everyone should be forced to have a gun! I’m sure they’d like that argument.


14 posted on 11/13/2009 9:00:28 AM PST by Skenderbej (People need to learn that no muhammadan practices his religion peacefully.)
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To: walford

I could use a $500 or $1000 firearm voucher too!


15 posted on 11/13/2009 9:02:09 AM PST by Skenderbej (People need to learn that no muhammadan practices his religion peacefully.)
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To: mikelets456

Brilliant!


16 posted on 11/13/2009 9:02:42 AM PST by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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To: Yo-Yo

State Constitutions cannot CONTRADICT the federal constitution — i.e they cannot remove rights granted by the feds. State Constitutions are permitted to add rights and responsibilities not addressed by the feds.

SnakeDoc


17 posted on 11/13/2009 9:06:28 AM PST by SnakeDoctor ("Talk low, talk slow, and don't say too much." -- John Wayne)
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To: SnakeDoctor
While you are correct about the US Constitution, consider the following from the Vermont Constitution:

Article 9th. Citizens' rights and duties in the state; bearing arms; taxation

That every member of society hath a right to be protected in the enjoyment of life, liberty, and property, and therefore is bound to contribute the member's proportion towards the expense of that protection, and yield personal service, when necessary, or an equivalent thereto , but no part of any person's property can be justly taken, or applied to public uses, without the person's own consent, or that of the Representative Body, nor can any person who is conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms, be justly compelled thereto, if such person will pay such equivalent; nor are the people bound by any law but such as they have in like manner assented to, for their common good: and previous to any law being made to raise a tax, the purpose for which it is to be raised ought to appear evident to the Legislature to be of more service to community than the money would be if not collected.

18 posted on 11/13/2009 9:07:30 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Yo-Yo

The Vermont state constitution doesn’t run afoul of the U.S. Constitution.

The right to keep and bear arms is not abridged in the Vermont constitution.

It is the “privelege” of NOT keeping and bearing arms that is subject to additional tax.

It’s kind of elegant, IMO.


19 posted on 11/13/2009 9:14:22 AM PST by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: walford
"Can I get a firearm foodstamp?"

LOL I am a firm believer in Ammo Stamps and have previously posted regarding same.

20 posted on 11/13/2009 9:15:33 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: mikelets456

I like the spirit but it’s bad in practice because registering non-gun-owners is the same as registering those who DO own. Unacceptable.


21 posted on 11/13/2009 9:22:53 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: mikelets456

Found - an unemasculated man with a set of cojones.

Bravo!!


22 posted on 11/13/2009 9:27:10 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: MortMan
While I admire the representative's sense of humor, establishing a principle that you can be fined for failing to exercise a right will be pernicious in the extreme.

That being said, there are two arguments on which to base this:

1. The Vermont constitution requires those choosing not to bear arms to pay an equivalent; and

2. The benefits of gun ownership include a 'halo' effect - that is, non-gun-owners benefit materially through reduced crime, etc. and should pay some cost for the benefit.

23 posted on 11/13/2009 9:29:33 AM PST by bt_dooftlook (ACORN = Another Communist-Overrun Rats-Nest)
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To: taxcontrol

Fair enough. I suppose I can only claim absolute ignorance of Vermont Constitutional law.

SnakeDoc


24 posted on 11/13/2009 9:41:26 AM PST by SnakeDoctor ("Talk low, talk slow, and don't say too much." -- John Wayne)
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To: mikelets456; All

Not true!

I cannot even find a webpage for Fred Maslack.

If someone can, please post.


25 posted on 11/13/2009 9:42:09 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Obama, Hitler, Stalin: Who are 3 people nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.)
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To: mikelets456

There is a town in GA that requires each adult citizen to own a firearm.


26 posted on 11/13/2009 10:10:12 AM PST by matt1234
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To: bt_dooftlook

Item 2 is explicitly enshrined in the VT constitution, per the article.


27 posted on 11/13/2009 10:29:05 AM PST by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: SnakeDoctor
Clever indeed! However, the Vermont state constitution does require you to own a gun, and provides for the payment of a fee if you should choose not to own one.

Vermont's constitution states explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State" and those persons who are "conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent."

28 posted on 11/13/2009 11:09:39 AM PST by An Old Man (Use it up, Wear it out, Make it do, or Do without.)
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To: SnakeDoctor
the 2nd amendment clearly does not mandate gun ownership; having the right does not mandate exercising the right

You'll have to reconcile that with the Militia Act of 1792, where the very Founding Fathers who wrote & ratified the 2nd Amendment just a year prior, required all militia members (i.e.: all 17-45 year old able-bodied men) to arm themselves to minimal standards at their own cost. Updated to today, that would entail requiring you to buy an M16 + case of ammo, plus standard camping gear. Doubt that's unconstitutional, as the guys who wrote the Constitution implemented the requirement.

29 posted on 11/13/2009 12:32:19 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End the coup!)
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To: Kozak

I’m liking that!

I’ve always wondered if the NRA would like to team up the disarm the law-abiding crowd and do a joint study of houses with signs that declare the place unarmed and houses that declare that they are armed and see which ones more likely to the victims of crime.

Of course, the results would most likely invalidate the gun-grabber propaganda s they probably wouldn’t go for it.

One other thing – on the registering of non-gun owners – that number is dropping by the hour.


30 posted on 11/13/2009 2:26:37 PM PST by chainsaw56 (Do you have the right to defend yourself??)
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To: chainsaw56

I’ve always wondered if the NRA would like to team up the disarm the law-abiding crowd and do a joint study.

Have houses with signs that declare the place unarmed and houses that declare that they are armed and see which ones more likely to BE the victims of crime.

[that sounds better]


31 posted on 11/13/2009 2:30:18 PM PST by chainsaw56 (Do you have the right to defend yourself??)
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To: Kozak

ROFLMAO


32 posted on 11/13/2009 2:33:42 PM PST by AFreeBird
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To: Skenderbej
It’s the same logic that Pelosi is using to pass the healthcare sham. She says people who don’t have healthcare increase the costs for those who do have it, so everyone must be forced to get it.

Those who don’t have guns increase the costs (crime, no-defense death, etc.) for those who do own guns.Everyone should be forced to have a gun!

Ecellent point!

33 posted on 11/13/2009 2:34:45 PM PST by chainsaw56 (Do you have the right to defend yourself??)
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To: Yo-Yo
But State constitutions cannot run afoul of the US Constitution.

But it doesn't. It supports it, but has additional conditions that are not addressed, one way or the other, in the 2nd.

34 posted on 11/13/2009 2:38:17 PM PST by AFreeBird
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To: SnakeDoctor
Constitutionally unjustifiable (the 2nd amendment

The existance of the militia is already regognised in the body of the Constitution before amendments.

With the precedent of 1000 years of the militia in Anglo cultural tradition there was no need to claim the power for the Government - preexisting power to defend the state against threats en mass, just as there is to maintain the peace against individual rascals.

35 posted on 11/13/2009 4:20:00 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (("To psychology! The cause of... and solution to... all of life's problems"))
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To: Oztrich Boy

Interesting.

I can definitely see the logic behind the bill. The ‘halo’ effect is real, and requiring all young men to either furnish for defense or assist in the provision of such makes sense to me.

How much would the total cost be for the gun? I’m not a gun owner, but I do have the camping equipment.


36 posted on 11/13/2009 5:56:55 PM PST by BenKenobi
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To: matt1234

Kennesaw, Georgia

http://www.handgundefense.com/kennesaw.htm


37 posted on 11/13/2009 7:53:42 PM PST by deks
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