S’pose while he was down there he apologized for WWII??
Posted on 11/15/2009 8:58:02 AM PST by pabianice
When I went through Navy Aviation Officer Candidate School we were given classes on military etiquette. One lesson dealt with meeting foreign dignitaries and royalty. In a film and then with text we were instructed that US law "forbids any officer of the United States from bowing before royalty. Instead, if in uniform and covered, the officer salutes. If not in uniform, the officer shakes hands or simply stands at attention."
This lesson was very clear and I have no information to indicate that the rules have changed. The president, like every US military officer, is an Officer of the United States. Aside from the general embarrassment that Obama has become at home and abroad, he apparently is also violating the law with his bowing and scraping before foreigh royalty.
Does anyone have the actual US law that covers this?
Yeah ... I’D like to know also.
Of course he isn't. He's a civilian with Constitutional Rights. Unlike, an Officer who gives up rights when joining the military.
This goes back to Clinton. He couldn't be tried under UCMJ for his affair[s].
Do think Obama gives a rats ass about US law ?
If you learned about it while in the military, I’d say the UCMJ. You can search (google is your friend) and find the pdf or the law.
The State Department doesn't have an official policy that prohibits American presidents from acts of obeisance before foreign leaders, but for more than 200 years, those types of formalities have been avoided.
Ronald Reagan's chief of protocol, Lenore Annenberg, sparked outrage by merely dipping her knees upon greeting England's Prince Charles.
First Lady Nancy Reagan was also forced to admit to bowing her head when she privately met with Queen Elizabeth II, but her press secretary hastened to tell reporters that "it was definitely not a curtsy."
No. The UCMJ deals with crime and punishment, not permissible behavior.
Should we expect anything else out of the traitor in Chief?
While it may not be a good idea and against 200+ years of established protocol for a US Officer to bow to royalty, and it's certainly a horrible idea for a president to bow to royalty, there's no codified law, either in the US Code or the UCMJ, that demands as such.
Secondly, the President is not an officer of the US Armed Forces. While he is the Commander-in-Chief, he is absolutely a civilian, and not an officer.
S’pose while he was down there he apologized for WWII??
Art. II, Sec. 4: "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment of, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
It looks to me like the President and Vice President are included in the category "officers."
Does anyone have the actual US law that covers this?
Its not a United States law. Its a law in the Uniformed Code of Military Justice.
US laws are ones written by the Congress.The UCMJ was not written by the Congress..
Yes, civil officers, much like civil officers of a corporation governed by a corporate charter, but not military officers. Military officers are guided by a separate set of laws, known as the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The Constitutional officer holders or officers, are not bound by the UCMJ.
The original poster was suggesting that military officers are by law, forbidden from bowing to foreign royalty - they aren't incidentally - and ergo, since Obama is a military officer, he too was breaking some law. Again, another incorrect assumption.
The US Congress makes all codified law in this country. The UCMJ is codified law and can be found at 10 USC Chapter 47. The UCMJ is part of the US Code and the Congress put it there with legislation passed by them and signed by the President.
Of course they do. That's a Constitutional power of Congress. They write the laws of the military.
Fugetaboutit. The Japanese see this more as a surrender gesture than a bow. They are confused.
It is NOT mentioned in the UCMJ.
It’s not mentioned because no one would have thought that a US “president” could be so damned stupid. Who’d have thought someone would hide their birth certificate and get away with it? The rules don’t apply to Zippy the boy from Mombassa. At least he’s not really one of us.
Whatever the LAW may say about this, it just isn’t done, and is not the “American Way”. The whole idea of the American Revolution was that we would no longer bow down to kings!
"Law?!? You're joking, right?"
I'm not condoning what Obama did, but obviously the President is not a State Dept. employee, so State Dept. policy couldn't regulate his behavior regardless.
Apparently, the nitwit who wrote this for the NY Post didn't take the effort to offer his/her readers a brief explanation as to why "those types of formalities have been avoided": Americans declared their independence from the British crown in 1776, and became a free people, so any sign of obeisance by any American to "foreign leaders" - especially royalty or nobility - would rightfully be considered a taboo, an affront to the meaning of independence.
This FOOL HAS TO GO and he needs to take those other fools on the Hill with him!
Thanks justiceseeker93.
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