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Is Mormonism Christian? by Late Richard John Neuhaus
November 24, 2009

Posted on 11/24/2009 1:46:39 PM PST by Steelfish

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1 posted on 11/24/2009 1:46:39 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

“Is Mormonism Christian?”

THey share a great many values as Christians and I admire a lot about how they live but no, they are not Christians.


2 posted on 11/24/2009 1:48:36 PM PST by Grunthor (There is no such thing as unconditional love.)
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To: Grunthor

Yes- This is a great scholarly article on the subject. Indeed, one of the best. It’s worth a full read. Neuhaus was a Lutheran convert to Catholicism and was considered the foremost Lutheran scholar of his time prior to his conversion.


3 posted on 11/24/2009 1:53:16 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Grunthor
THey share a great many values as Christians and I admire a lot about how they live but no, they are not Christians.

I agree.
4 posted on 11/24/2009 1:53:20 PM PST by ScubieNuc
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To: Steelfish
People who believe in Christ are not Christians.
Wooooooo.

I guess Lutherans aren't Christians either.They believe in Martin Luther.
Woooooooo!

You really need a new hobby.

5 posted on 11/24/2009 1:54:10 PM PST by Suz in AZ
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To: Grunthor

Very well put. I used to think they were, but the more I read and find out about what they believe in, the less I do. Try “Inside Mormonism” by Isaiah Bennett.


6 posted on 11/24/2009 1:55:33 PM PST by Andyman (The truth shall make you FReep.)
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To: Steelfish

They quote Paul, so I will paraphrase Paul to the Galatians: If any many or angel gives a different gospel, do not believe him.


7 posted on 11/24/2009 1:56:44 PM PST by DallasDeb (USAFA '06 Mom)
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To: Steelfish

The only thing mormonism has in common with Christianity is the name Jesus Christ - and by that, they mean a different Jesus than the one the Bible reveals.

Are individual mormons Christian - some, no doubt, despite the teachings of mormonism.


8 posted on 11/24/2009 1:56:58 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Steelfish
Were the Disciples Christians? I'm sure if you could ask them, they would say they were Jews.

Mormons follow JESUS CHRIST and claim to be Christians. Who am I to say they aren't? I don't think this is a question for us to decide, and even if we do, what difference will it make?

9 posted on 11/24/2009 1:58:06 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Pork Eating CRUSADER - FUBO! Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: DallasDeb
Ugh! I hate it when I do that. If any MAN or angels give you a different gospel, do not believe him.

Both Mohammed and Smith were given different gospels. They do NOT believe in the same God as the Christians and Jews.

10 posted on 11/24/2009 1:59:01 PM PST by DallasDeb (USAFA '06 Mom)
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To: Grunthor

I agree.
Mormons are generally nice folks,good neighbors and they now hold to a strong family moral code. (I say now because of the history of polygamy, polyandry and child brides)

But Christians hold to a different doctrine of God, (they believe he is a man that became god), a different doctrine of the trinity, a different doctrine of salvation (no hell, and tiers of heaven and a work based salvation)

The gap is a cavern that separates they from those that profess a Christian belief and our Mormon friends

We can love and admire them, but they are not Christian brothers


11 posted on 11/24/2009 2:05:46 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Steelfish

I wouldn’t define Mormons as Christians, but I definitely respect their family morality and their missionary activities are to be respected.


12 posted on 11/24/2009 2:06:48 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
..and even if we do, what difference will it make?

It makes no difference and wouldn't even be brought up if the anti-Rommney folks here weren't so scared to death of him as a threat to Palin—a position that I still can't figure out.

13 posted on 11/24/2009 2:10:46 PM PST by OpeEdMunkey (Eat right...exercise...die anyway)
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To: Andyman

“Try “Inside Mormonism” by Isaiah Bennett.”

I had personal experience. For the first four years of my walk with Jesus, I had a Pastor (Protestant) that was raised Mormon before Jesus saved him (his words) in his late 20’s. I heard enough about Mormon teachings from him to ever doubt that they are Christian. Good people? You bet! Do they worship the Jesus that I know from the Holy Bible as Lord and Savior and the One and Only Son of God?

Nope.


14 posted on 11/24/2009 2:10:54 PM PST by Grunthor (There is no such thing as unconditional love.)
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To: OpeEdMunkey

“and wouldn’t even be brought up if the anti-Rommney folks here weren’t so scared to death of him as a threat to Palin—a position that I still can’t figure out.”

That IS a pretty silly idea. Mitt is no threat to Sarah at all.


15 posted on 11/24/2009 2:16:43 PM PST by Grunthor (There is no such thing as unconditional love.)
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To: Steelfish

As related to me by my then-90-something year-old great uncle who was a Baptist and Methodist pastor, Mormonism is based on a plagiarized manuscript that was stolen from an ancestor of mine. The story is about his adventure to the west coast and was stolen by a door-to-door salesman in, I believe, Chicago (aka Joseph Smith)! A few years after it was stolen, the book of moron was published. I wish my uncle had written it all down, as he is long since passed to his Lord. There is only ONE WAY that a former mormon could be a Christian and to find it, read the Bible!


16 posted on 11/24/2009 2:19:27 PM PST by bonnieblue4me (You can put lipstick on a donkey (or a dimrat), but it is still an ass!)
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To: Suz in AZ

It just might help to read the whole article.


17 posted on 11/24/2009 2:23:46 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

I am always amused by the passion that some on FR display when administering litmus tests and rectal exams to ascertain the Christianity of others. If one’s Christian faith is so weak that they must take shots at the faith of others, then their quest for ideological purity is merely an exercise in inflating their own faith by “lowering the bar”.

And it’s funny as hell.


18 posted on 11/24/2009 2:26:37 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Steelfish

Bookmark


19 posted on 11/24/2009 2:27:29 PM PST by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: Steelfish

A great read, I read it all. Very informative.

Mormons are like gays in a way.

Gays want gay marriage for the legitimacy they think it will give them. Normal.(just like the rest of us).

Mormons want to be Christians for the same reason, legitimacy. Not a “cult”, but a Christian (denomination).

I agree with many here. They are nice people, but they aren’t Christians.


20 posted on 11/24/2009 2:32:31 PM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: Buck W.

This is NOT a litmus test. It would help to read the entire article. It is a very scholarly article for sure written with a sense of diligent theological inquiry.


21 posted on 11/24/2009 2:39:19 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

The article is not a litmus test, but many of the responses to the article are. That’s why I directed my comments to Freepers, not the author.


22 posted on 11/24/2009 2:41:45 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: faucetman

Thank you. I wish FReeper folks would read the entire article before making off the cuff evisceral comments only because it is an acute and succinct theological inquiry- the stuff of scholars.


23 posted on 11/24/2009 2:42:05 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: faucetman

Thank you. I wish FReeper folks would read the entire article before making off the cuff evisceral comments only because it is an acute and succinct theological inquiry- the stuff of scholars.


24 posted on 11/24/2009 2:42:10 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

I would guess that seeing as how he is the “late”, he knows the answer.


25 posted on 11/24/2009 2:50:35 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: OpeEdMunkey
It makes no difference and wouldn't even be brought up if the anti-Rommney folks here weren't so scared to death of him as a threat to Palin—a position that I still can't figure out.

(OpeEdMunkey Since Aug 26, 2008)

There was life at freerepublic before you showed up three days before Palin was chosen for veep. People here even had discussions on Mitt Romney and other topics years before you signed up, or had ever heard of Sarah Palin.

26 posted on 11/24/2009 2:51:18 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: Steelfish

That is one long article.

I cannot render an opinion on Mormonism at this point. I’m a little distracted on the subject.

Mormons do seem to be clean living.

Of course, they did do that massacre back in the day and they are clannish, but that can be a good thing.

Joseph Smith is in all likelihood a fraud. His assistant even admitted that they made up the Book of Mormon. And there are several big Mormon bishops who have been banished from the mormon world for saying things inappropriate about Mormonism.

As for me, I got no problems with Mormons. They are a clean living lot.


27 posted on 11/24/2009 2:52:06 PM PST by BertWheeler (Dance and the World Dances With You!)
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To: BertWheeler

It’s definitely worth a full read. Very informative.


28 posted on 11/24/2009 2:56:44 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Suz in AZ
I guess Lutherans aren't Christians either.They believe in Martin Luther. Woooooooo!

Well Catholics and all the other Christians say that Lutherans are Christians. Catholics and all the other Christian churches say that Mormonism is not Christian.

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29 posted on 11/24/2009 2:56:49 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: Steelfish

Mormons are good people. They are NOT God’s people!


30 posted on 11/24/2009 3:06:55 PM PST by Doctor Don
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To: Steelfish
Mormons are not Christian, and they never have been. They are not Christian for two main reasons, namely, they reject the foundation of the Christian faith, The Holy Trinity, and the doctrine on Christ. Mormons worship a different god than Christians do, and they worship a different christ than Christians do. The faith of the Mormons is incompatible of Christianity.

By the way, Lutherans do not worship Martin Luther. Lutherans respect some of the things that Luther taught, but he is a human being like all the rest of us. He is not a prophet, nor is he infallible. He is certainly not our Savior.

31 posted on 11/24/2009 3:12:45 PM PST by Nosterrex
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To: ansel12

I think this is the funniest response yet...other religions basically “voted” that Lutherans were Christians so they are, they voted Mormons aren’t, so they aren’t. You can’t be serious! I followed the penecostal faith until my 20’s, so I would have been “voted” as Christian, now am LDS and would now not be a Christian if the voters are correct. Gee, I think I pretty much know whether I was a Christian then and whether I am one now without having to have the votes tallied.


32 posted on 11/24/2009 3:24:24 PM PST by republicanbred (...and when I die I'll be republican dead.)
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To: republicanbred

I’m not aware of any “vote”, do you have a source for that?

If you inquire of each church you will discover that none of them accept Mormon Baptism, but they do accept fellow Christians.

The Greek Orthodox and the Catholics and the various Protestants did not vote, they all just reached the same conclusion on Mormonism.


33 posted on 11/24/2009 3:32:18 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
“and even if we do, what difference will it make?”

The difference is one of eternal life. No one can come to the Father except through the Son. The Mormons know neither the Father nor the Son. They worship a false god. Would you not say that this is important?

It is not that I say that Mormons worship a false god, but it is the Scriptures that say it. If you hold to the basic law of logic, non-contradiction, something cannot be and not be at the same time. If the Mormons are right, then the entire Christian church is wrong. What Mormons believe and what the Christian church believes are contradictory.

34 posted on 11/24/2009 3:34:54 PM PST by Nosterrex
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To: Nosterrex
It is really sad that non-mormons profess who we are and what we believe when you don't have a clue. I worship the same God and Christ now as I did when I wasn't LDS, we don't “worship” Joseph Smith, nor do we believe as a prophet he was infallible. Prophets have never been infallible, remember Moses not seeing the promised land? Nor is he our Savior. If you are going to stand in judgement of us, as least have your facts correct.
35 posted on 11/24/2009 3:35:26 PM PST by republicanbred (...and when I die I'll be republican dead.)
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To: ansel12

So the majority is always correct, like in the case of Obama winning the election...I get it now!


36 posted on 11/24/2009 3:37:24 PM PST by republicanbred (...and when I die I'll be republican dead.)
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To: ansel12

“If you inquire of each church you will discover that none of them accept Mormon...”

Why should anyone give a flip about what one denomination thinks or says about the legitimacy of another?


37 posted on 11/24/2009 3:38:19 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.; republicanbred
Why should anyone give a flip about what one denomination thinks or says about the legitimacy of another?

What all the various Christian Church's scholars agree on, is definitely worth notice of any Christian lay person, for one thing it will make that individual Christian less likely to be sucked in by cults.

38 posted on 11/24/2009 3:45:15 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: ansel12

You mean sucked in like all the Christians who send money to televangelists so they can heal people over the airwaves?


39 posted on 11/24/2009 4:00:16 PM PST by republicanbred (...and when I die I'll be republican dead.)
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To: ansel12
There was life at freerepublic before you showed up three days before Palin was chosen for veep. People here even had discussions on Mitt Romney and other topics years before you signed up, or had ever heard of Sarah Palin.

In addition, mormonism was a frequent topic long before Mitt Romney ever ran for President. Discussions on mormonism became much more lively when all the Mittens suddenly showed up on FR.

40 posted on 11/24/2009 4:08:30 PM PST by CommerceComet
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To: republicanbred

A Mormon hostile to Christianity, how shocking.


41 posted on 11/24/2009 4:09:32 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: ansel12

Honey, I’m not hostile to Christians. I am a Christian, no matter what you think. And btw, 50% of my family and friends are made up of your definition of “Christians” (some are even “Christian” ministers!) and not only am I not hostile to them I actually...get ready...love them. I know, shocking, isn’t it.


42 posted on 11/24/2009 4:16:02 PM PST by republicanbred (...and when I die I'll be republican dead.)
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To: republicanbred

I didn’t realize that you are female sweety, I merely point out that the world of Christians deny the Mormon claims and I believe that at times the Mormons claim that they are their own religion as well, and that Christians are not Christians at all.

Maybe some of our resident Mormon experts will show up and clarify Mormon teachings in that area, the real Mormon teachings, not the “milk before meat” stuff.


43 posted on 11/24/2009 4:37:45 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: ansel12

Are you implying that LDS is a cult?


44 posted on 11/24/2009 4:38:06 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: republicanbred

Ten minutes of a Rober Tilton broadcast is all I generally need to dismiss any of the “holier than thou” claims I hear from the self-professed keepers of the Christian faith.

And I say that as a Christian.


45 posted on 11/24/2009 4:40:53 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: ansel12

Don’t need a Mormon “expert” to tell me what I believe...and I’m signing off any way. Time to get ready for the upcoming holiday to give thanks for the gift we each have been given to worship as we believe in this nation founded on God. Happy Thanksgiving!


46 posted on 11/24/2009 4:46:20 PM PST by republicanbred (...and when I die I'll be republican dead.)
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To: Buck W.

And all my “Christian” family members (LOL)concur. Especially when they see Benny Hinn. If I have ever seen a cult leader, it is that man! Happy Thanksgiving, Buck!


47 posted on 11/24/2009 4:48:24 PM PST by republicanbred (...and when I die I'll be republican dead.)
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To: Buck W.

LOL, I love the way you say that since in everyday conversation in America, people seem to know who the cults are.

Here is something the Greek Orthodox say about cults, maybe we can learn something from them, they have been around a while.

“The prevailing doctrine of past and present cults is the gnostic or secret knowledge to attain salvation or perfection that they alone possess. This is evident in early Gnosticism as well as in the nineteenth-century cults such as Mormonism, Christian Science, Jehovah’s Witnesses, spiritualism, theosophy, and many more. Several of these cults offer “special welfare” services to promote good will and enable them to further their propaganda. Examples of such activities include the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, The Christian Science Monitor, and the Battle Creek Sanitarium of the Seventh Day Adventists. [4] Through these philanthropic activities, they appear to be harmless to people in order to promote their religious propaganda.”


48 posted on 11/24/2009 4:52:32 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: republicanbred

And a Happy Thanksgiving to you, too!

(Remember the immortal words of a tearful Jimmy Swaggart—”I have sinned...”)


49 posted on 11/24/2009 4:53:01 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: ansel12

My question was sincere and genuine, but you didn’t answer it.


50 posted on 11/24/2009 4:54:25 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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