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First look at Fedora 12
Distrowatch ^ | November 23rd | Jesse Smith

Posted on 11/27/2009 3:55:05 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing

Conclusion

After spending several days with Fedora, I find that I'm happy with this release. The live CD by itself was a bit underwhelming, but the distribution as a whole has been excellent. This is probably the most stable and most polished release the Fedora team has put together to date. Security is strong over most of the system, though the hole introduced in the software management system is a concern. Package management is fast and KDE feels like it's getting the attention it deserves. The system is responsive and I have yet to run into any serious problems. Due to the distribution's cutting-edge nature and fast support cycles, I probably won't recommend Fedora to Linux newcomers. Fedora is for those who have some Linux experience and want to explore what the future holds. For distro hoppers, this is a solid release and well worth experiencing.

* * * * * A quick note about the graphical package manager issue. In the above review, I mentioned an on-going concern with the graphical package manager which would allow regular users to install software from the Fedora repositories without knowing the root password. My review represents the situation as I saw it up until Friday or Saturday, depending on your time zone. Realizing that things would continue to progress after that point, I asked Adam Williamson to keep me informed as things changed. He kindly did, and by the weekend the developer in question had made the choice to require regular users to input the root password in order to install packages. Shortly afterwards, an update was made available to implement this new behavior. In total, the time from the official release of Fedora, to the time the issue was brought forward, to the time the software was patched was less than a week.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: fedora; linux; opensource; redhat

1 posted on 11/27/2009 3:55:05 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
After spending several days with Fedora [12], I find that I'm happy with this release.

Me, too! Runs great in a dual boot laptop with Windows 7.

2 posted on 11/27/2009 4:20:39 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I did a full install of Ubuntu (the windows on my laptop was worthless)...

how is Fedora in comparison for a Linux Newbie.??


3 posted on 11/27/2009 4:28:33 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his office. ")
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To: gwilhelm56

Have you checked out Puppy Linux? I loaded it on an old P2 laptop. Incredibly easy load and setup. Great for us newbies.


4 posted on 11/27/2009 5:28:11 PM PST by bleach (Sarah, Wake me in 2012)
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To: bleach

I’v found this Ubuntu 9.something... great for a newbie.. the learning curve isn’t too bad.

I have a GATEWAY laptop that had XP on it... and what I thought was a PROBLEM.. turned out to be SOP (meaning I wasn’t the only one)

knowing what I PAID for the Ubuntu..I’d have no problem trading it for something else... LOL


5 posted on 11/27/2009 5:45:57 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his office. ")
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; Salo; Bobsat; JosephW; ...

I installed F12 yesterday, and so far it's been pretty impressive on this 6 year old P4 laptop.

The F10 would have the X server crash when xscreensaver would run for a while. This version doesn't do that any more.

Yea!

6 posted on 11/27/2009 6:02:09 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Anything big that would make me want to upgrade from F11 to F12?


7 posted on 11/27/2009 7:07:46 PM PST by zeugma (Raise the IQ of the planet: Nuke mecca during haj.)
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To: ShadowAce
I installed F12 yesterday, and so far it's been pretty impressive on this 6 year old P4 laptop.

LOL. Sounds like my desktop...
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz
I really need an upgrade. I figure when I finally do, it'll be like going from my 400Mhz PII to the P4 listed above. I think this system is almost 8 years old. I'm figuring the quad-core box that I'll be replacing it with should hopefully last a full decade. I've got a disk that is giving me smartdrv errors, and I've decided when the disk(s) go, the box goes.

8 posted on 11/27/2009 7:17:58 PM PST by zeugma (Raise the IQ of the planet: Nuke mecca during haj.)
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To: gwilhelm56

Burn puppy to a disc and boot from it. You’ll be surprised how little it is and how much it packs. You can leave unbuntu on your drive. With puppy, setting up my wireless was a snap.


9 posted on 11/27/2009 7:19:06 PM PST by bleach (Sarah, Wake me in 2012)
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To: bleach

I used Puppy Linux all the time on a few old computers. It worked great unless you left it idle. The image would start inching up after awhile.


10 posted on 11/27/2009 7:30:34 PM PST by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: ShadowAce
From the Release Notes...

Recommended for graphical: 400 MHz Pentium Pro or better

Hmmm... might be best for me to stay on F11 for the duration. :-)

11 posted on 11/27/2009 7:31:42 PM PST by zeugma (Raise the IQ of the planet: Nuke mecca during haj.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I noticed that Mandriva 2010 has an administrative right that can be granted to a regular user to do package updates. This is what I have been doing, without having to use the root password.


12 posted on 11/27/2009 7:42:15 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: zeugma
I'm figuring the quad-core box that I'll be replacing it with...

Yeah, I'm planning on building my next one again. Like you, I'm figuring on a 10-year box, so I'm looking at dual quad-core. I'd also like a USB 3.0 port, but so far, the combination doesn't exist. I may end up settling for a card with USB 3.0 ports on it.

13 posted on 11/27/2009 7:48:42 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: zeugma

I don’t know about big, depends on your usage.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/12/FeatureList

I like the new optimization for newer x86 processors.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/FeatureList

I’m currently running F10, so I’m also looking at the new speedier boot process and KMS for graphics updates.

Some of those features you don’t realize they’re affecting you, but they do. In one way or another, most often times to the benefit.


14 posted on 11/28/2009 3:26:10 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Government is addicted to OPM - Other People's Money ( the other opium)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I’ve been tempted to try Linux on a spare computer I have here. Would you suggest Fedora for that?


15 posted on 11/28/2009 7:02:03 AM PST by pctech
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To: pctech
I’ve been tempted to try Linux on a spare computer I have here. Would you suggest Fedora for that?

Not to be butting in or kibutzing...but I would suggest Linux Mint for a first try. It's very. very nice and easy to set up. I used it for my first Linux try and it was great on my laptop. Everything worked right off, even the wireless. I now use it on my big desktop. It rocks.

16 posted on 11/28/2009 10:37:24 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: pctech

-———————I’ve been tempted to try Linux on a spare computer I have here. Would you suggest Fedora for that?-———————

In a short answer, yes.

I would first attempt several live CDs. Boot the OS, see if your sound works, video works, so on and so forth.

Even if it is a spare computer, why nuke it if you don’t have to? Especially if you have CDRW disks, which is what I use.

Some live CDs take longer to boot than others, but they are fully functional operating systems when up and running.

Fedora and Ubuntu both offer LiveCD solutions that are easy to use, and easy to install. You could also try knoppix, but that one isn’t easily installable.(It’s goal is hardware compatibility, they don’t care if you install it)

This website has a ton of information about just about any linux distro out there. http://distrowatch.com/

And if the very first live cd you try doesn’t work, I wouldn’t put much stock into that. Try a different version, of even the same distro or try another distro all together. I have always found live cds to be flaky and not a great representation of an installed linux os. In every case. They have to make concessions due to the size of the CD they’re working with. But it will still give you some idea of what you’re getting.


17 posted on 11/28/2009 2:56:22 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Cloward Pivin qualifies as economic terrorism)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

by all means, butt in. :-)

The funny thing is that Mint just released Ver 8 today.

http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=05795


18 posted on 11/28/2009 2:59:46 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Cloward Pivin qualifies as economic terrorism)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
The funny thing is that Mint just released Ver 8 today.

Interestingly enough...the one thing I have with Linux distros is the 'push' to upgrade the kernel as soon as a new version comes out. So what?

I mean, isn't this the most irritating thing about Windows? Push, push, push.
If the bloody thing works, why upgrade it? I'm using Linux Mint 6 and it's the bomb. I ain't upgrading diddly.

19 posted on 11/28/2009 5:10:23 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Linux Mint? Never heard of it, but I haven't really tried any Linux OSs in a couple of years.

Don't get me wrong, I like my XP computer and I plan on trying Windows 7 when I finally get around to upgrading my computer hardware, but I've always wanted to give Linux a major try and I'm almost ready to do it. I just can't put it on something that I use all the time. It needs to be on a spare PC so I can play with it.

Thanks for the advice.

20 posted on 11/28/2009 5:14:19 PM PST by pctech
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
I'm going to try something, but I want to ensure it's a good Linux product (except for Red Hat) and I have to wait until I get a spare PC up and running.

Right now, I need another screen for my Dell Inspiron 9300 laptop (it has a 1 inch area of the screen from top to botom that shows nothing whatsoever, it's completely white), and I hope to be able to finally upgrade to a dual-core system (I'm running 3.4 P4 right now).

21 posted on 11/28/2009 5:17:51 PM PST by pctech
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

-————Interestingly enough...the one thing I have with Linux distros is the ‘push’ to upgrade the kernel as soon as a new version comes out. So what?——————

Many distros have adopted 6 month cycles. Red hat(fedora) for example has chosen that because of the GNOME UI. Not because of the kernel.

Browse distrowatch. There are many distros which have the same version kernel in two revisions.

(though just so it’s said, I’m sure that many do elect to release with every new kernel)

-————I mean, isn’t this the most irritating thing about Windows? Push, push, push.—————

Yes and no. It depends on how you’re being pushed and more importantly, where.

-————If the bloody thing works, why upgrade it?—————

I don’t think anybody’s forcing you to upgrade from mint 6.

I don’t upgrade every fedora. I usually go with the even numbers.(I had 10, I’ll be going with 12 soon, I’ll most likely skip 13 for 14)


22 posted on 11/28/2009 5:30:25 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( President Obama - The Above Par Shining Star Czar (according to MSLM anyways)
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To: pctech

Why the disdain for redhat?

In addition to Ubuntu(mint is an offshoot of ubuntu IIRC) there’s also live cd offerings from suse.

Many smaller distros offer live cds as well, such as sabayon.(which is tailored towards gamers)

Good luck with your portable.


23 posted on 11/28/2009 5:34:54 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( President Obama - The Above Par Shining Star Czar (according to MSLM anyways)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Red Hat seems to have outgrown it's once "free distro with no strings attached" image. I could be mistaken but last I heard you have to pay for support now.

Everyone seems like Ubuntu/Kubuntu and a few others, so I hope to be to try one of those, or Fedora 12 of course, soon.

24 posted on 11/28/2009 6:13:10 PM PST by pctech
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To: pctech

Fedora has always been free. You could probably pay for extended support, but I’m not aware of it. But being a free product, support cycles are very short.

RHEL is the pay for product. I’m not even sure it qualifies as a traditional distribution. It’s an enterprise product.

Red Hat Enterprise Linux. With 7 year support.

The strings are clearly there with fedora. You use the free product, you are a guinea pig of sorts.(which bothers me not one bit)

If anything, that’s a good thing in my book. They are willing to sink money(programming time) into fixing bugs.

These may help clear some things up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_(operating_system)

I rarely trust Wiki, but for software I’m sure they’ve gotten it largely correct. Seems so at first glance.

But in any case, nothing wrong with the many others recommended. No worries.


25 posted on 11/28/2009 6:50:45 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( President Obama - The Above Par Shining Star Czar (according to MSLM anyways)
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To: pctech
I just can't put it on something that I use all the time. It needs to be on a spare PC so I can play with it.

Au contraire mon frere. I am currently typing this via the Linux Mint 6.0 OS I have installed on my main PC that boots to either WinXP Pro or Linux Mint. The Linux OS was installed next to Win XP and the boot.ini file modified to allow a choice when turning on the computer.

All done via instructions easily found by Googling.
Like here.

A fairly straightforward process but it can be a tad daunting for someone not comfortable using partitioning tools. But it is mostly goof proof if you understand the steps and follow them properly.

The first step, of course, is to make an image backup of your Windows partition....just in case.

26 posted on 11/29/2009 8:03:59 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Perhaps using the concpt of being 'pushed' was a bit strong. It just seems that there are a great many Linux folks out there who are keen on upgrading when the latest version of their favorite distro comes out.

I feel that if it ain't broke, I ain't fixin' to upgrade. Others may have different needs, reasons or desires.

27 posted on 11/29/2009 8:07:52 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
I've done dual-booting in the past, and I suppose I could do it now, but I really don't want to do anything to my main computer. It's the only functioning one I have at the present time and I'm hesitant about doing like that to it.

Another thing that has slowed my implementation of Linux is my affinity and constant use of programs like Photoshop and Acrobat 8. There are just too many things I do with these programs that I can't do with a Linux product, and though I know there are programs similar to those that can run on Linux, I can't take the time to learn them while I am doing my normal routine.

But never fear, I will tackle the beast soon. Right after I get my fuel pump changed in my car. oy vey..............

28 posted on 11/29/2009 9:08:50 AM PST by pctech
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To: pctech
There are just too many things I do with these programs that I can't do with a Linux product

I heard that. There are programs like this that I use for which there3 are no comfortable replacements in Linux. Which is why I use the dual boot and haven't made the 100% switch to Linux.

I've been working up to experimenting with Sun's Virtual Box to run Windows from within Linux but haven't had time to get into it. One day perhaps. After I scape down and re-stain my deck and do the same to all the railings. You ain't kidding 'oy vey iz mir'.

29 posted on 11/29/2009 9:24:56 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: gwilhelm56
Fedora uses the Red Hat Package or RPM system also found in Mandriva. "Dependency hell" is probably the great drawback which is why newbies are better off using APT. Fedora's package manager is YUM represented by Gnomepackagekit's GUI. You can also install Synaptic and APT if you want a more familiar Debian-based package management tool, although PCLOS through Synaptic is the best way to run RPM if you're a Linux newbie.

30 posted on 12/07/2009 2:26:45 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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