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My 102 year old grandma got her Census mailing.
vanity | 11/27/09 | vanity

Posted on 11/27/2009 5:24:12 PM PST by Winstons Julia

My 102 year old grandma has received two mailings from the Census Bureau. The envelope says she is required by law to answer the questions.

It's a huge booklet.

They are asking about her income. Does she get any from rental properties? How far does she drive to work?

I was stupefied at the financial questions asked.

What legal rights does she have? This reads like an invasive thing.

I thought they were just supposed to count us?

Should we go to the local congressman and complain?

Anyone?

I haven't received ANYTHING from the Census yet, and I'm in the same county.


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To: Eric in the Ozarks
If the package didn't come by registered or certified mail with a return signature required, throw it away.

Good idea, I'll put my census forms in the bin with those GOP fundraising letters.

21 posted on 11/27/2009 5:37:12 PM PST by Never on my watch (The It is Not Terrorism Task Force (INTTF) is heading to the scene now.)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Ignore the forms or refuse to answer to an in-person census-taker, and at least some of us will go to jail.

No one has ever been arrested for not filling out the form. Just the threat is enough to make most comply.
22 posted on 11/27/2009 5:39:01 PM PST by WackySam (To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.)
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To: Winstons Julia

I’d throw it in the trash if it was me. They don’t need that info and they don’t have a right to it.


23 posted on 11/27/2009 5:39:47 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Winstons Julia

I live in an RV Park and the Census taker was a cutie in a BMW who could not even find the Office so she just put census forms everywhere.

I don’t remember what I did with mine.

TRASH IT


24 posted on 11/27/2009 5:40:02 PM PST by Dov in Houston (The word Amnesty invokes a passion in me. Illegal immigrants are criminals. Supporters Aid & Abet)
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To: Winstons Julia

Just tell her to fill in her name and how many live at her home. Place a big red X through the rest of the pages.


25 posted on 11/27/2009 5:41:21 PM PST by WackySam (To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.)
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To: rickmichaels

join oathkeepers.com


26 posted on 11/27/2009 5:41:21 PM PST by manonCANAL
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
at least some of us will go to jail.

Seriously? Can you point to cases where people have gone to jail or are you making this up? I suspect they will make your life miserable but jail? Has it ever happened? I doubt it. I believe that to be a hollow threat from the census bureau.

27 posted on 11/27/2009 5:46:36 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Eagle Eye
The third time I answered my door with a Mossberg 500 shotgun in hand. They quickly left and never bothered me again.

Awesome. Simply awesome.
28 posted on 11/27/2009 5:46:57 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: fieldmarshaldj

That was too funny.


29 posted on 11/27/2009 5:47:09 PM PST by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: Winstons Julia

The Obama administration has expanded the census data collection to new heights. The information collected is the same information marketing people need to form targeted campaigns...

Which means that this data will be used by the Obama administration in developing their 2012 reelection campaign. It probably won’t use specific information supplied by individuals to target those individuals, but the data can be used to customize the campaign for specific areas and demographics.

This is the kind of information that politicians always wanted to have, but never had the audacity to try and use the census to collect.


30 posted on 11/27/2009 5:47:50 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Winstons Julia

Declaration To Make To Census Takers:

“I hereby affirm that the provisions of Title 13 requiring me to disclose my race, personal financial data, birth date, or any other personal, private information to the Bureau of the Census, an agency of the United States government, constitutes an unreasonable, unwarranted search of my person, house, papers, and/or effects, and a governmental invasion of the sanctity of my home and the privacies of life. As such, these provisions violate the Fourth Amendment of the US Constitution, and are thus wholly void and I am not bound to obey them.

I have completed only those sections of the Census form pertaining to the Constitutionally-mandated actual enumeration, as follows:

1. The actual number of people living at the address printed on the form, excluding untaxed Native Americans;
2. The actual number of males living at the address printed on the form that are over the age of 20.

I have thus fulfilled my obligation to the attainment of the actual enumeration of the populace of the United States.

Any fine or other sanction that is levied by any office or organization stemming from the unconstitutional provisions of Title 13 in connection with my response to this or any other Census-related questioning will be challenged in a court of law.”


31 posted on 11/27/2009 5:49:06 PM PST by TruthHound ("He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: manonCANAL
join oathkeepers.com

I'm guessing you mean oathkeepers.org .
32 posted on 11/27/2009 5:50:42 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: manonCANAL; All

I’ll be honest...I saw the forms today and I used to work for the Census Bureau. They do more than the head count. I did the Monthly Labor Survey. The Survey of agriculture...and another one that was designed to determine the scientifically trained college educated people in the country,

But THIS is just the one that is supposed to COUNT us.

WHAT ARE THEY DOING sending all these questions to a 102 year-old woman?

I mean, I was SHOCKED at the things they were asking and I didn’t even go through the whole mailer.

Grandma is feisty. She went to the local tea-party with us on April 15th.

I kind of think I need to do more.

I need to make a video. I need to talk to grandma. We need to talk about the Census. We need to talk about the government. (She retired at 93 and still has private insurance she pays for to augment her Medicare)...

We need to make a video of the questions on this mailing.

We need to ask why the government is asking these questions of a 102 year old woman...when all they are asked to do is count us.

We need to go into the local congressman’s office with the video running...

We need to get the video to Breitbart or Beck.

This is ridiculous.

You should not be asking people ALL of these questions under threat of law!


33 posted on 11/27/2009 5:51:30 PM PST by Winstons Julia (The liberal mantra: Never enough.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

ping


34 posted on 11/27/2009 5:56:36 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Winstons Julia

I just read that there is no long form for the 2010 census.


35 posted on 11/27/2009 5:56:41 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: TruthHound

Thank you truthhound. I am going to call her and tell her about this...because she doesn’t want to fill out these forms (we are private people, but law-abiding) and she doesn’t know what to do.


36 posted on 11/27/2009 5:56:51 PM PST by Winstons Julia (The liberal mantra: Never enough.)
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To: Sacajaweau

If this isn’t long...I don’t know what it is.

It is probably fifteen PAGES long.


37 posted on 11/27/2009 6:01:12 PM PST by Winstons Julia (The liberal mantra: Never enough.)
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To: Winstons Julia

Better yet...go ask you Congressman all of those questions and watch the response.


38 posted on 11/27/2009 6:06:59 PM PST by willyd (Reducing Taxes Reduces our Carbon Footprint)
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To: Winstons Julia
People should be careful to give legal advice on this subject. The Constitution is not the only law regarding the census. There is substantial enabling legislation in the U.S. Code, and criminal penalties for certain actions, including:

221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers

(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.

(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500.

(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body.

Sec. 222. Giving suggestions or information with intent to cause inaccurate enumeration of population

Whoever, either directly or indirectly, offers or renders to any officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof engaged in making an enumeration of population under subchapter II, IV, or V of chapter 5 of this title, any suggestion, advice, information or assistance of any kind, with the intent or purpose of causing an inaccurate enumeration of population to be made, shall be fined not more than $1,000 or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

39 posted on 11/27/2009 6:08:25 PM PST by americanophile (Sarcasm: satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language.)
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To: Eagle Eye

Bet you’re on a watch list in Washington. LOL!


40 posted on 11/27/2009 6:12:57 PM PST by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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