SUDDEN JIHAD SYNDROME IN AMERICA - WE IGNORE IT AT OUR PERIL
SIX CRITICAL REASONS TO NOT TRY TERRORISTS IN US COURT
THE MAN WHO DESPISES AMERICA
AWAKEN, O AMERICA, YOUR LIBERTY IS CALLING (Inspiring Video)
Posted on 11/30/2009 10:39:45 AM PST by LibWhacker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plyS8sIUjmQ
Worth watching, just in case anyone out there remains under some misapprehension about religious tolerance among “moderate” Muslims.
Islam for simpletons.
I believe Pope Leo XIII said “Error has no rights.” But people who err do.
It’s very interesting that they see our tolerance of Islam as our acceptance of truth of Islam.
Next time you hear someone yapping about how evil and intolerant conservative Christians are for refusing to embrace anti-Christian practices, send them a link to this video.
It’s easy to tolerate things you already like. What’s admirable is tolerating things you don’t like. Today’s conservative Christians may be the most tolerant people on earth—there is so much out there to piss us off, but we allow it to happen. For example, we don’t like homosexuality, but we ultimately respect people’s right to do what they will in their bedrooms, even while we exercise our right to speak out against it. When liberals encounter something they don’t like—such as opposition to homosexuality—they try to pass “hate crime” legislation to make it go away.
In this case, I have to go with Christians and Jews.
Sorry Mohammad boy, you and your gutter fake religion are destined for unburied death. 
A world of difference separates the religion whose primary tenet is redemption through faith and the one whose is purification through obedience.
Hmm. The Puritans (redemption through faith) were not big on the righs of error either. Maybe it really is a matter of a few centuries.
After work ping...
They also view it as a weakness subject to exploitation. For a free person who listens attentively and then truly comprehends the meaning behind such Islamic language, it would not be an irrational response to wonder whether one has yet purchased quite enough ammunition.
Ultimately, it weighed heavily upon, and even destroyed some who came to understand the nature of what they had done.
While living in a little seaside town in Massachusetts, not half a mile from one of the oldest graveyards in America containing many Puritan graves, I had occasion to read a number of first-hand accounts of the events surrounding the Salem witch trials. It was quite revealing to see how people born of a deeply moral and loving faith could yet pervert it into something quite terrible. And yet, walking among those moldering gray slate Death's-Head-embossed stones in a hilly field overlooking the Atlantic ocean, it was not hard to feel pity for all of them, victims and accusers alike.
In contrast, the very nature of Islam and its adherents fills me with a starkly different range of thoughts.
I’ve lived most of my life in what your (and mine, I guess, nominally as I am currently in the States) government calls Israel “settlements” or “disputed” territories.
I got along fine with arabs on sports teams or at work; such interaction was fine. Indeed, I had (and have) several arabs who I would consider my dearest friends -— our parents would leave one another in the care of the others’ parents.
The nomadic Ishmaelites coming by the house was a big deal; like carnival. Toys and candies and whatever.
In school (secular government school) we were taught that Islam was a fine religion for arabs, and Christianity a fine religion for any non-Jew. Same with Druze and Hindu.
It’s been an increasingly hard pill to swallow, and I am conflicted much internally, as I see the reality of Islam.
On Freerepublic there was one poster (a “monarchist”) pushing for the return of the Papal States over the West, with Protestant Christians and Jews knowing their place, and espousing the view that it was OK to take Jewish children from their parents for “salvation” purposes.
It was all a bitter reminder for the reasons behind my grand father’s zionist trek; perhaps we are not meant to get along; should not interact; and should build the highest of walls between us.
The guy is comparing two different things. Equating a numerical proof to a moral proof, they aren’t the same thing. By any objective mathematical standard, 2 + 2 = 4 by definition. You can’t dispute that “2” is actually “2”. Or that two 2’s add up to 4. Not without destroying the concept of addition. However, the objective certainty that “Islam is the only True Religion” and “Everyone else’s religion is false”, THEREFORE (=) “We don’t allow other religions in our country”, is far from being objective, or certain.
He is starting from a false premise/assumption that these things are as certain as 2 being 2, and everyone agreeing that they are. There is nothing moral about the statement 2+2=4 either, there is nothing controversial to debate. The people who get the wrong answer aren’t making a moral statement opposing the fact that 2+2=4, they are improperly adding two numbers.
Logical truths and moral absolutes are not successfully defended the same way, and to try this little logic trick to equate a logical truth with a moral absolute is not right. The certainty of numbers and mathematical operations being what they are, are agreements of those definitions. It is more complex with moral absolutes. A higher standard of proof is required because as you can see in this guys’ example, he is assuming certain things in order to try to equate people not having the correct math answer to people who don’t have the ‘true’ religious belief.
His major assumption is that he offered no evidence, for example, that prove that Islam IS the true religion. He backed this up without anything. He is trying to say that it is already a given, just like everyone agreeing on what the number “2” is.
You’re correct, of course.
He had an even more subtle point below that; his “proof” that Islam was correct was that Western society permits Islam to be taught (showing our uncertainty), whereas if we knew our religion to be true, we would not permit Islam to be taught.
Of course, to the Western mind, being afraid of teaching is evidence that you are uncertain of your own religious convictions.
It’s an interesting peek into the mindset of a muslim.
It goes against my nature to pass judgment on anyone else's religion, as long as their faith does not impinge upon my own. But that is the central problem with Islam, at least as presently constituted; it cannot help doing so, and often expresses its compulsion in unpleasant and demonstrative ways.
I was vaguely aware of such a religious conflict when, as a younger person I briefly lived and worked in Manhattan, looking at the panorama outside my own 79th floor window of the South Tower of the World Trade Center. Since I returned to New England in the 1980s my opinion has hardened somewhat, and for reasons you need not guess at.
For every truth there is a lie....
For faith...there is doubt or unbelief(same)
Experience...opposed to NOT knowing
Isaac... oppposed to Ismael
To the promised...opposed to the unpromised.
The blood of Salem witch accusers and victims both runs in my veins. Maybe it gives me a certain sense of there but for the grace of God and a few centuries go I. Or for a few thousand miles.
My daughter attended a Catholic college. While in an ethics class the discussion turned to religion, as they were talking the professor apologized to one of the Muslim students because he was not a Christian. The Muslim student was seriously perplexed as to why the professor or any other Christian would feel the need to apologize for discussing their faith. Well the professor added he didn’t want to make him feel uncomfortable. Then the Muslim student told them if that is what they truly professed, being a Christian there should never be a need to apologize for anything because he reassured them HE would never do such a thing being a Muslim. I never forgot that!
Silly Muslim, Christianity and the Jewish religion were here long before Islam and Islam is based on the Jewish and Christian religions.
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