Skip to comments.HOLLISTER v SOETORO updates - Joint Motions (incl. request for oral argument), Joint Response.
Posted on 12/02/2009 1:47:50 PM PST by rxsid
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Newly filed court docs in the HOLLISTER v. SOETORO case.
Heads up all y’all!
I have always found that the number of responses in inversely proportional to the length of the source article. Could you please summarize? There are so many suits out there that it’s hard to keep track of them!
So now lets take a poll of what Obamas next “crisis” will be for media diversion?
A) Aliens have landed.
B) Jesus reappears.
C) The sun explodes in two weeks.
Its a weekly thing with Obama, every week there has to be a crisis or emergency so everyone does not notice his lack of responsibilty, I have seen people like that at work, every day they actually work harder trying to get off doing any actual work.
Lincoln was called The Great Emancipator.
Obama will become The Great Goldbricker.
Thanks for the ping. Bump and pinging others.
I'll give it my best (in a "nut-shell") non-lawyer attempt...
In "HOLLISTER v SOETORO - Joint Motion - To Substitute Reply Brief", they argue that not only do the plaintiff's have standing (citing case law), but the lower court in this case did in fact find they have standing (not word for word). They also bring up the publically known "fact" that Barry's father was never a U.S. citizen and that should bring into question he NBC status (as the show why in the motion)
In "HOLLISTER v SOETORO - JOINT MOTION - To Schedule Oral Argument", they go into the reason's why the court should allow for an oral argument (something that the courts in these eligibility cases have not been "fond" of to say the least). Attorney Hemenway also bring up the harsh rule 11 sanctions he received from the lower court judge, and how ridicule and name calling in abundant in all circles (i.e. the lower court, the media) objecting to the questioning of Barry's NBC status).
And in "HOLLISTER v SOETORO - JOINT RESPONSE in Opposition FILED" they state (& why) they don't want the Amicus Curiae(s) of Berg (Joyce) to be allowed in the case.
Hope that helps some.
“I have always found that the number of responses in inversely proportional to the length of the source article.”
You raise a good point. Post something that requires time and thought, poof, the readers/posters are gone. Tiger? MJ? Thread after thread after thread.
Serious legal briefing gets a few responses, while rants of a CA attorney draw hundreds. Odd.
Thanks. So Berg is the lawyer?
I have read elsewhere, through a fairly authoritative source, that Berg was warned repeatedly that his approach to the Obama eligibility was fundamentally flawed and would be rejected and possibly lead to censure. At least since the appeal is based on arguing existing judicial principles and precedents, it may be seen as more favorable for review.
Still, I fear that every judge or appellate court will take the simple path of a purported lack of standing to deep six the appeal, especially given the poor track records of the “birthers. What has upset me most about the decisions that I have read is that the judges have often thrown in material that they “dug up” on their own or, were often quoting material such as affidavits, which should not be referred to in the decisions according to standard legal doctrine.
I just don’t know where we can go from here. Everything is so unusual — a standard reading of NBC should indicate that BHO is ineligible for his job — so that even the “Quo Warranto” doctrine does not apply, as far as I can tell.
Even Carter admitted that election opponents may have standing. I think that any military officer should have standing, though Carter seemed to say that there was existing precedent in the 9th Circuit which would preclude such a defense.
BHO and his cronies have scoured the globe to eliminate, purge, and make unavailable almost all details of his life. I read a reliable account that his cronies showed up in Indonesia circa 2006 with the specific task of eliminating or making unavailable vital personal records. Newspaper articles have been scrubbed after the fact to remove any references to foreign allegiances or births.
The one thing that has struck me about the “questionable” Kenyan birth documents, is their consistency. The present the same hospital, real individuals who were in the specified role at the referred to time, and exact details with regards to name and birth details of the parents. Occam’s razor tells me that, despite the alleged forensic shortcomings of these documents, they remain, at worse, “fake, but accurate.”
Where the article appears in the “system” here at FR, and also if there are pings to an article or not make a big difference as to the amount of responses. In some cases it’s a good thing — at least this thread isn’t filled with trolls telling everyone that even discussing these issues are a waste of time (yet...).
Just curious if you were the one who tagged this as “History”? Seeing as these are new filings how is it that this ends up under History and Society - but no mention of Crime/Courts or Government (Can’t remember the exact choices as it’s been a while since I’ve posted an article, myself). I’m just curious if these are the original tags you put with the article or if they’ve been changed? The comments on how little reply there was on this thread just made me curious.
In any event, thanks for posting these docs for us. I would comment more about the content itself, but I’m battling a cold at the moment and deep thinking (or reading legal papers) just makes my head swim! LOL
One has already showed up, just a question of WHEN others join in???
No, not on this one (anymore).
So this is in the DC District Court of Appeals? I think the next step is SCOTUS.
If what I think is going to happen with America due to Dubai then maybe the public will wake up. The market may crash and the next leg down in the Depression may occur. Dubai was a $1+ trillion ponzi scheme. It may turn out to be 9/11 Part 2.
| This brief is well-written, although some of the references attorney Hemenway uses regarding the “blogosphere” will likely go right over the judges’ heads. Also, recalling some of the "tips" Judge Carter gave in a different eligibility case, it might have been good for Hollister's attorney to have addressed quo warranto more directly. However, this may not be an issue the way this is written.
One of the primary case laws that Hemenway references is the 1874
Note that this case does NOT discuss the validity of the birth certificate like Berg and Orly have, rather Obama/Soetoro’s eligibility as a "Natural Born Citizen" and the public vetting of his “credentials” in the blogosphere in 2008, which Congress and most of the American people blindly accepted on face value. Donofrio’s approach is similar in this regard.
Hollister, as some may remember, is the retired colonel who challenged Obama/Soetoro via an Interpleader case in the DC Court system. Having spoken to him on the phone a couple of times earlier this year, Hollister comes off as a very credible plantiff.
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