posted on 12/02/2009 1:47:51 PM PST
To: LucyT; BP2; STARWISE; Red Steel; pissant; hoosiermama; null and void; Amityschild; Calpernia; ...
Newly filed court docs in the HOLLISTER v. SOETORO case.
posted on 12/02/2009 1:49:10 PM PST
(HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
I have always found that the number of responses in inversely proportional to the length of the source article. Could you please summarize? There are so many suits out there that it’s hard to keep track of them!
So now lets take a poll of what Obamas next “crisis” will be for media diversion?
A) Aliens have landed.
B) Jesus reappears.
C) The sun explodes in two weeks.
Its a weekly thing with Obama, every week there has to be a crisis or emergency so everyone does not notice his lack of responsibilty, I have seen people like that at work, every day they actually work harder trying to get off doing any actual work.
Lincoln was called The Great Emancipator.
Obama will become The Great Goldbricker.
posted on 12/02/2009 2:11:35 PM PST
by Eye of Unk
(Would spring please arrive early, My new motorcycle awaits to run free and wild.)
Just curious if you were the one who tagged this as “History”? Seeing as these are new filings how is it that this ends up under History and Society - but no mention of Crime/Courts or Government (Can’t remember the exact choices as it’s been a while since I’ve posted an article, myself). I’m just curious if these are the original tags you put with the article or if they’ve been changed? The comments on how little reply there was on this thread just made me curious.
In any event, thanks for posting these docs for us. I would comment more about the content itself, but I’m battling a cold at the moment and deep thinking (or reading legal papers) just makes my head swim! LOL
posted on 12/02/2009 3:50:36 PM PST
( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
So this is in the DC District Court of Appeals? I think the next step is SCOTUS.
If what I think is going to happen with America due to Dubai then maybe the public will wake up. The market may crash and the next leg down in the Depression may occur. Dubai was a $1+ trillion ponzi scheme. It may turn out to be 9/11 Part 2.
posted on 12/02/2009 4:28:07 PM PST
(Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
To: rxsid; All
| This brief is well-written, although some of the references attorney Hemenway uses regarding the “blogosphere” will likely go right over the judges’ heads. Also, recalling some of the "tips" Judge Carter gave in a different eligibility case, it might have been good for Hollister's attorney to have addressed quo warranto more directly. However, this may not be an issue the way this is written.
One of the primary case laws that Hemenway references is the 1874
Minor v. Happersett case. The post-14th Amendment case discusses dual citizenship ("divided loyalties"), distinguishing between "Citizen" and "Natural Born Citizen", as well as American parentS vs a single American parent_ as a necessity to be a "Natural Born Citizen," citing Vattel in the process.
Note that this case does NOT discuss the validity of the birth certificate like Berg and Orly have, rather Obama/Soetoro’s eligibility as a "Natural Born Citizen" and the public vetting of his “credentials” in the blogosphere in 2008, which Congress and most of the American people blindly accepted on face value. Donofrio’s approach is similar in this regard.
Hollister, as some may remember, is the retired colonel who challenged Obama/Soetoro via an Interpleader case in the DC Court system. Having spoken to him on the phone a couple of times earlier this year, Hollister comes off as a very credible plantiff.
posted on 12/02/2009 4:28:55 PM PST
(I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
Our arguments show that, particularly because we have shown that by the holding of the Supreme Court and the facts that the defendant Soetoro has stated throughout his political career, that his father was not a citizen, his status as a natural born citizen is in doubt. At the very least, when the Supreme Court has held that an issue is in doubt, seeking to have that doubt clarified is a good faith extension of existing law.
I am not an attorney, but if it is so that: "the Supreme Court has held that an issue is 'in doubt,' seeking to have that doubt clarified is a good faith extension of existing law" why is it so hard for the court to render some sort of clarification, in the matter of what constitutes a Natural born Citizen, as regards Obama?
I understand the delicacy that must be exercised in such a rendering but, be that as it may, if the court can't clarify this matter, what authoritative body can?
posted on 12/02/2009 4:29:00 PM PST
("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
Obama has 2 Perkins Coe attorneys including Bauer.
Is John Heminway working with or for Phil Berg?
posted on 12/02/2009 4:31:17 PM PST
(Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
posted on 12/03/2009 8:36:42 PM PST
(Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
>Our arguments show that, particularly because we have shown that by the holding of the Supreme Court and the facts that the defendant Soetoro has stated throughout his political career, that his father was not a citizen, his status as a natural born citizen is in doubt. At the very least, when the Supreme Court has held that an issue is in doubt, seeking to have that doubt clarified is a good faith extension of existing law.<
This has ALWAYS been my main contention. Remember that in the senate confirmation hearings of John McCain that the senate stated:
Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen
, said Leahy At a Judiciary Committee hearing on April 3, Leahy asked Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, himself a former Federal judge, if he had doubts that McCain was eligible to serve as President. My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen
, Chertoff replied. That is mine, too, said Leahy.
And the resolution read: Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens
on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born Citizen under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.
The First Congress session II Chapter 4 1790 expressly stated
what a Natural Born Citizen is and it has NEVER been changed: "the children of citizens
of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States shall be considered natural born citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons who's fathers have never been resident ion the the United States: Provided also, that no resident heretofore prescribed by any state, shall be admitted as a citizen as aforesaid, except by an act of legislature of the state in which such person was proscribed."
. Both parents have to be citizens of the United States. Obama's father was a Kenyan national.
Therefore he can NOT be a Natural Born Citizen.
Even on his OWN website Obama states he is:
"The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen
of the United States of America."
A native citizen is not a Natural Born Citizen.
Do you really think that the constitutional lawyer, all the people who he has working for him, all the lawyers he has on staff looking at every thing that is written, made this "mistake"?
hell no, it is obfuscation
It is easy enough to understand and clearly Obama is not eligible to be president because of this simple fact. They just need to push this one argument and forget the rest. He is NOT a Natural Born Citizen because his father was a Kenyan.
posted on 12/04/2009 8:49:29 AM PST
(All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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