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World's oldest recipe book reveals dishes English kings enjoyed 600 years ago
Daily Mail ^ | 02nd December 2009 | Liz Hull

Posted on 12/02/2009 3:40:52 PM PST by Fenhalls555

Dishes of chicken blancmange and porpoise porridge are unlikely to whet the appetite of most modern food lovers.

But such recipes were apparently fit for a king 600 years ago.

Written by chefs employed by Richard II, they are included in what is thought to be the world's oldest cookbook.

The unusual dishes rival modern creations by British TV chef Heston Blumenthal, who is famous for his snail porridge.

Experts from Manchester University's John Rylands Library, who discovered the manuscript, have translated a handful of its 150 recipes, which are written in Middle English and date back to 1390.

They include frumenty, a porridge-type dish made of bulghar wheat, chicken stock and saffron, and payn puff, a dish of boiled fruits wrapped in pastry.

The unusual cookbook, called the Forme of Cury, is believed to have contained dishes to feed servants and the royal family alike

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TOPICS: Food; History; Miscellaneous
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To: 60Gunner
Jellied eels is a traditional English dish that originated in the 18th century, primarily in London's East End. The dish consists of chopped eels boiled in a spiced stock that is allowed to cool and set, forming a jelly. It can be eaten hot or cold.

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51 posted on 12/02/2009 5:19:17 PM PST by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: 60Gunner

Yorkshire pudding doesn’t sound too bad.

I’ve wondered if I could attempt it, since our motto on the farm is “Give us this day our daily beef ...”

Even if their empire collapsed, they gave the world some excellent beef cattle — Herefords, Shorthorns and Angus (if you can include a Scottish breed)


52 posted on 12/02/2009 5:25:26 PM PST by Cloverfarm (Obama = Nixon II)
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To: 60Gunner
No wonder their empire collapsed.

I wouldn't say that. Albion's seed has sprouted on two continents in the form of four separate countries - the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Added together, these territories are almost 50% larger than the Russian behemoth. For these countries, England will always be the Mother Country, and the Union Jack a welcome sight.

53 posted on 12/02/2009 5:40:07 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: fanfan
Have you knowingly eaten any of this stuff?

Yup, and repeatedly. Not most of it, but some of it sounds intriguing -- even to one of such sensitive stomach as I am suffering today in my illness.

54 posted on 12/02/2009 5:43:55 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: Andy'smom; bradactor; politicalwit; Spunky; mplsconservative; boadecelia; freeangel; ...
*Freeper Kitchen Ping*

Even linked this on my facebook.

55 posted on 12/02/2009 5:46:10 PM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: Zhang Fei
Albion's seed has sprouted on two continents in the form of four separate countries - the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Added together, these territories are almost 50% larger than the Russian behemoth. For these countries, England will always be the Mother Country, and the Union Jack a welcome sight.

From a FReeper with a Chinese name, no less! We ("UK seed") have had our failings but (to use an old Gaelic video title) "The Seed is Strong."

Britain has had other successful plantings -- your typical Anglican for many decades has been an African woman: of the 77 million Anglicans worldwide, only a very few million are native English-speakers.

The British empire may be long since gone, but it has left many positive effects around the world. From what I have personally seen it has been a huge benefit to India -- the largest democracy (democratic republic?) in the world today.

56 posted on 12/02/2009 5:57:48 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: nevergore
Oxymoron.....

That!!!

57 posted on 12/02/2009 6:23:29 PM PST by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: nevergore

Actually, popovers (or Yorkshire pudding) is pretty good with a good roast and gravy.


58 posted on 12/02/2009 6:27:43 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Fenhalls555

Interesting! Thanks.

This would make a great homeschool lesson.


59 posted on 12/02/2009 7:18:12 PM PST by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a bunch of Communists to your Administration?)
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To: TigersEye

lol, I think I will stick to my own books.


60 posted on 12/02/2009 8:19:45 PM PST by pandoraou812 (time to dump tar & feathers on DC)
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To: fanfan

Thanks fanfan! Will ping this when I get home and get a chance. Anything about blackbirds?


61 posted on 12/02/2009 8:41:58 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Fenhalls555

Sing a song of sixpence,
A pocket full of rye.
Four and twenty blackbirds,
Baked in a pie.

When the pie was opened,
The birds began to sing;
Wasn’t that a dainty dish,
To set before the king?


62 posted on 12/02/2009 8:42:58 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: mware

Supposedly my English grandma used to eat those.


63 posted on 12/02/2009 8:44:39 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: kalee


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64 posted on 12/02/2009 8:52:50 PM PST by Cincinna (TIME TO REBUILD * PALIN * JINDAL * CANTOR 2012)
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To: Fenhalls555; dynachrome; SunkenCiv
Like, *PING*, sunken.

Here is a link to a classic Dave Barry article on British cuisine:

Dave Barry in London

Cheers!

65 posted on 12/02/2009 10:49:09 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: mware
"It can be eaten hot or cold."

It can also be eaten by someone else. Yecch.

66 posted on 12/02/2009 11:55:59 PM PST by 60Gunner (But there's this one particular harbor...)
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To: HungarianGypsy

Thank you so much HG.


67 posted on 12/03/2009 12:19:52 AM PST by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: KarlInOhio

LOL, how clever are you?


68 posted on 12/03/2009 12:22:06 AM PST by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: fightinJAG

“This would make a great homeschool lesson.”

Get in touch if you need assistance with information and links.


69 posted on 12/03/2009 4:57:15 AM PST by Fenhalls555
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To: Fenhalls555
King Richard II Fried Chicken?


70 posted on 12/03/2009 6:05:26 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
As a person of Scottish descent, and still descending, I must point out that Scottish cuisine is very different from the cuisine of England.

Oddly to some, Scottish cuisine is heavily influenced by the cuisine of France.

This is because both Scotland and France have England as a common historical enemy, and there was a lot of cultural diffusion between the two cultures back in the old days. I get a kick outa stuff like that, akin to the Black Irish descending from Spaniards.

PS: I went to a Scottish formal dinner thing in San Francisco last week, and wore my formal kilt outfit. Cougars hit on me in the bar! It must have been the exposed knees that made them all hot and bothered.

71 posted on 12/03/2009 7:34:19 AM PST by I Buried My Guns ( B.L.OA.T. : Buy Lots Of Ammo Today)
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To: SunkenCiv

Chicken blancmange and porpoise porridge.

Yuck.


72 posted on 12/03/2009 8:19:29 AM PST by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: fanfan

I expect they would feel the same about Chicken McNuggets and chocolate shakes.


73 posted on 12/03/2009 12:54:27 PM PST by Fenhalls555
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74 posted on 12/03/2009 6:14:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: grey_whiskers

Thanks gw! I wonder if anyone interviewed the Earl of Sandwich? Dead giveaway, wot?


75 posted on 12/03/2009 6:15:20 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

You’re welcome Civ.

:-)


76 posted on 12/03/2009 6:30:25 PM PST by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: SunkenCiv

77 posted on 12/03/2009 6:33:10 PM PST by bigheadfred (Be who you are and say what you feel: Those who mind don't matter.Those who matter don't mind.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

I want my hassenpfeffer! Bring me my hassenpfeffer!


78 posted on 12/03/2009 6:36:43 PM PST by weef
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To: bigheadfred

...and for dessert, lady fingers!


79 posted on 12/03/2009 7:00:02 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Fenhalls555; SunkenCiv

Some other dishes were Anne, Bess, and Josephine.

It’s good to be the King.


80 posted on 12/03/2009 9:19:40 PM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: The Good Doctor
I prefer Auntie's spotted dick.

Much superior to the Heinz.

81 posted on 12/03/2009 9:35:47 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: sima_yi
(Although I will pass on the doormice in honey.)

Since dormice taste like chicken anyway, just substitute game hens.

82 posted on 12/03/2009 9:38:15 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: kalee

Looks terrible, sounds horrid in the discussion...especially the ‘grain mustard with horseradish to stuff the fish’...

...BUT, reading the recipe, it actually seems something worth trying.


83 posted on 12/03/2009 10:24:18 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Zhang Fei; 60Gunner; CaptRon

We call that minced meat here in the colonies.


84 posted on 12/04/2009 4:39:34 AM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Fenhalls555

Hardly the world’s oldest recipe book...

Ancient Greeks - Athenaeus’s from the the Deipnosophists.
Ancient Roman food, second-century cookbook of Apicius.

The Byzantines: plenty of recipes from the writings of Theodore Prodromus


85 posted on 12/04/2009 7:16:03 AM PST by eleni121 (For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: Fenhalls555
The BBC did two different series titled Supersizers Go and Supersizers Eat, which featured the history of food in various historical periods. I downloaded them from a UK torrent website. They are very entertaining, and although I had to turn my head at times because I couldn't deal with the preparation of some of the food, I really enjoyed these programs.

Here's the Wikipedia page which discusses both series:

Supersizers

Here's a link to a short YouTube video featuring the cook preparing eels for a meal from the Restoration Period:

Making an Eel Pie

86 posted on 12/04/2009 7:34:23 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Zhang Fei

Well said.


87 posted on 12/04/2009 7:52:43 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: mass55th

This was also very good:

The Victorian Kitchen

http://tinyurl.com/y8czatk

One of several spin-offs from this excellent series:

The Victorian Kitchen Garden

http://tinyurl.com/yaackpk


88 posted on 12/04/2009 8:50:06 AM PST by Fenhalls555
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To: Fenhalls555
"Jugged Hare with Neeps & Tatties"

Hey now, this is a family site! ;-)
89 posted on 12/04/2009 10:36:18 AM PST by Hegemony Cricket (The emperor has no pedigree.)
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To: Fenhalls555
Thanks for the links. The Victorian Farm series was very good too:

Victorian Farm

Historian Ruth Goodman does an excellent job, along with the two archaeologists in the program. Goodman also participated in a Tudor Feast program that was filmed at Haddon Hall.

Ruth Goodman

90 posted on 12/04/2009 11:56:24 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: wildbill

Aye.


91 posted on 12/04/2009 12:27:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: mass55th

Haddon Hall

http://tinyurl.com/y9lhtyk


92 posted on 12/04/2009 1:35:11 PM PST by Fenhalls555
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To: Cloverfarm

Yorkshire pudding is a favorite here. It’s really easy to make it. We prefer to have it popover-style. It’s a very nutritious alternative to potatoes, rice, etc.

1 c flour
1/2 c water
1/2 c milk
2-4 eggs (more = more protein for the kids!)

Preheat oven to 400. Put a non-stick muffin tin in the oven as it heats, with a dab of butter in the bottom of each well.

Put all ingredients in a mixer. Mix on HIGH.

When butter is browned, pull tin out of oven. Let it cool for a minute (while the mixer still runs). Distribute the batter into each well. Immediately plunge the tin back into the oven, without delay— this helps it puff up.

Cooks for about 20 minutes. Serve immediately. Any leftovers are great the next day with jam.

Trifle pudding is another marvelous Brit foodstuff. These two food inventions, plus cheddar and stilton cheeses and rum, make up for the rest of their cuisine, IMHO.


93 posted on 12/04/2009 4:49:57 PM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: I Buried My Guns

“As a person of Scottish descent...”

I too have Scottish blood in my ancestry (my great-great g’ma was Scottish. I lived in N. Ireland three years and spent many a weekend in Scotland. I enjoyed fresh Loch Ness salmon and haggis where we stayed in Ft William on one visit. And you are correct about the cuisine there being different from the bland English cusine. Scots also generally consider themselves Scots, and not a part of England or what is English.


94 posted on 12/04/2009 5:59:22 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: I Buried My Guns

False Scot, Sold your King for a Groat.


95 posted on 12/04/2009 6:27:34 PM PST by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

lol Let me know what you think after you try it.


96 posted on 12/04/2009 7:05:41 PM PST by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: kalee
As soon as I can find a local fish monger who'll pocket a few pilchard for me.

OTOH, 1,500 miles from the nearest coast, that might be awhile

97 posted on 12/04/2009 7:43:02 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Guess I shouldn’t wait for the dinner invitation to sample the pie. :)


98 posted on 12/04/2009 7:45:10 PM PST by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Yorkshire pudding ... hey, thanks for the recipe. But how do I mix in the beef drippings?

Dittos about Cheddar cheese. And British beef cattle also yield taste-bud treats.


99 posted on 12/05/2009 7:54:19 PM PST by Cloverfarm (Obama = Nixon II)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Credit where credit is due. Ode to a Haggis by Robert Burns. One of my cousins sent me two small tins (they were red tartan) with haggis inside. I kinda’ like haggis but even I wouldn’t eat it out of a tin. I gave one to my Dentist who gives it pride of place on his desk as a paper weight.


100 posted on 12/05/2009 8:16:41 PM PST by kiltie65
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