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AFFORDABLE PHOTO PRINTING
self | DECEMBER 04, 2009 | swampsniper

Posted on 12/04/2009 5:16:10 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER

I take a lot of photos, I've completely worn out 4 cameras in the last 8 years. I've gone through as many printers, all of them really too expensive to feed on my budget.

I installed a constant ink supply system recently, and I've tested it enough to predict that it will last. My greatest expense item is now the photo paper.

Print quality is excellent, I might get better results from a pro print shop, but not much better if at all.

I'm a big fan of HP printers but those little cartridges are just too expensive!

This is still a moderate volume home printing set up but it more than meets my needs.



TOPICS: Arts/Photography; Computers/Internet; Hobbies; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: ciss; computerprinters; inkcartridges; photoprinting; pigmentbasedinks; pigments; printers
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1 posted on 12/04/2009 5:16:11 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER
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2 posted on 12/04/2009 5:17:11 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Thanks for the real world test. I get asked about these system all the time but have never had a teat by a real user.
3 posted on 12/04/2009 5:19:29 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I swear by zenfolio. Takes a couple days but they do a fine job at a reasonable enough price that I can make a few bucks per photo when I sell prints.


4 posted on 12/04/2009 5:20:39 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

More info please.


5 posted on 12/04/2009 5:21:29 PM PST by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

What is this “print” thing of which you speak? You put paper on the screen?


6 posted on 12/04/2009 5:21:43 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Now that’s pretty cool. Are those axillary ink tanks somehow pressurized or something?
7 posted on 12/04/2009 5:23:36 PM PST by smokingfrog (I'm from TEXAS -- what country are YOU from?)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I’m still using my old Epson Stylus 1280, and it does a bang up job with my B3 (14X19) prints.


8 posted on 12/04/2009 5:24:47 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

The blue tape is particularly stylish. : )

Thanks for the information. I do photo restoration customers via computer and have to do a lot of color checks before a final print. Can get very expensive!


9 posted on 12/04/2009 5:25:24 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I have a similar setup I bought from a company in Australia.

It works great.

Money is not the only savings. Time, lots of time and hassle are also saved in addition to money.


10 posted on 12/04/2009 5:26:18 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Lukenbach Texas is barely there)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
I've got a ton of color print negatives that I'd like to make new prints from. (Ex-wife got all of the family photos. I made sure to get the negatives.)

I'd like to be able to preview the positives. Not all of the photos are worth re-printing. I'd want decent quality prints, too. Anybody know the best way to do that at home?

11 posted on 12/04/2009 5:26:40 PM PST by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got Seven? [NRA Life Member])
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Great, more bird pictures … thanks. Although I don’t recognize the species, I will enjoy them nonetheless. ;-)


12 posted on 12/04/2009 5:30:26 PM PST by doc1019 (Obama, not so much.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Now THAT is funny!

Anything that keeps you taking/posting pics—I’m all for it! LOL


13 posted on 12/04/2009 5:31:59 PM PST by gardengirl
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To: Cementjungle

I use an Epson Stylus 88 and an HP PSC 750. I’ve noticed that the same photo on glossy paper held at an angle has flat areas (the black or dark areas) on an Epson print but looks consistently glossy on the HP, which is more like a lab photo print. Do your Epson prints have the consistent look? I’m just wondering if it’s the model or the brand at fault.


14 posted on 12/04/2009 5:33:53 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: mad_as_he$$
...have never had a teat by a real user...

Oh really?

15 posted on 12/04/2009 5:35:49 PM PST by FReepaholic (Give me ambiguity or give me something else!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Cool!


16 posted on 12/04/2009 5:38:19 PM PST by Clintons Are White Trash (Lynn Stewart, Helen Thomas, Rosie ODonnell, Maureen Dowd, Medea Benjamin - The Axis of Ugly)
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To: skr

I never pulled the packing tape off, the printer hasn’t jammed yet. I suspect this may be another printer they stop making, it’s pretty decent! They do that with cameras too. I tend to wring every drop of use out of things, I’m not a good consumer, LOL. If I sold anything on Ebay it would be scraps in a ziploc bag!


17 posted on 12/04/2009 5:40:11 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: smokingfrog

As the ink in the cartridge drops it creates a partial vacuum that pulls ink through the lines. The system air vents are the little filters on top of the storage tanks. You refill via the colored plugs.


18 posted on 12/04/2009 5:43:40 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: skr
I use an Epson Stylus 88 and an HP PSC 750. I’ve noticed that the same photo on glossy paper held at an angle has flat areas (the black or dark areas) on an Epson print but looks consistently glossy on the HP, which is more like a lab photo print. Do your Epson prints have the consistent look? I’m just wondering if it’s the model or the brand at fault.

I tend to prefer matte and luster papers, but even the Premium Glossy ones seem to be as good as anything I've seen from the labs. I'm no expert, so perhaps I'm just not as discerning as a pro would be... or perhaps I'm just cheap and don't want to upgrade.

19 posted on 12/04/2009 5:44:01 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: freedumb2003

My image files are stored in the computer, the printer puts them on paper, just like a commercial operation. I can also print labels on CDs and DVDs if they have a printable surface.


20 posted on 12/04/2009 5:46:26 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Randy Larsen
http://www.supersmartelectronics.com/servlet/StoreFront
21 posted on 12/04/2009 5:50:23 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
My image files are stored in the computer, the printer puts them on paper, just like a commercial operation.

Why would you want to do such a thing? Do not your potential recipients have devices to read image files?

Is there no Photobucket? Is there no Imageshack?

:)

22 posted on 12/04/2009 5:51:44 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: rmh47

You can get a device which allows you to shoot negatives and slides with a camera. I don’t know much about the process though.


23 posted on 12/04/2009 5:52:59 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: freedumb2003

“Why would you want to do such a thing? Do not your potential recipients have devices to read image files”?


I just printed a set of bird prints for the local humane society fund raising auction. The image files I used were much larger than those I store online. The 800X600 files I have on Photobucket will make a decent print at 4X6 inches but for really nice larger prints you need more file data. You’ve always got to consider that when you reduce the physical size of an image file you are discarding data and you can’t get it back. The files I save for printing are in TIFF format, they don’t deteriorate like JPG files will. A printer can only reproduce the data it gets, the more the better up to a point.


24 posted on 12/04/2009 6:04:56 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Thank You...


25 posted on 12/04/2009 6:07:56 PM PST by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Get a color laser printer.

I have an Okidata and it prints glossy color on plain paper.

The only thing that doesn’t come out glossy is pure white.

I’ve had it about 2 years and run probably 8 reams of paper and i’m still working on the origional toner cartrages.

To buy the toner for all 3 colors and black is about $100 and laste a long long time.


26 posted on 12/04/2009 6:13:09 PM PST by dalereed
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To: dalereed

Inkjets beat laser printers for image quality by a good margin.


27 posted on 12/04/2009 6:17:56 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Jeez i had to read all the comments twice to figure out what you are talking about.
I am still confused why do you need a second supply of ink, when the first one runs out can you just change it?


28 posted on 12/04/2009 6:20:33 PM PST by GSP.FAN (These are the times that try men's souls.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

You should someday think about upgrading to an HP DesignJet with 12 ink cartridges. 4 shades of black and 8 different colors. It gives very accurate red hues.


29 posted on 12/04/2009 6:21:53 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: mad_as_he$$
I get asked about these system all the time but have never had a teat by a real user.

Heh, heh, heh. The jokes write themselves.

30 posted on 12/04/2009 6:22:54 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: skr

Get an HP Advanced Profile System. You get a colorimeter to measure your LCD output and that way you can calibrate an HP printer to match what you see on the screen. Much less waste of test prints.


31 posted on 12/04/2009 6:25:31 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: GSP.FAN
When you buy OEM cartridges the ink can cost as much as $8000.00 a gallon.

If you are an average user a set of cartridges might last a long time. I can use up $70.00 worth of cartridges just messing around, in a couple of days. The ink in the tanks will last me close to a year, hundreds of prints.

http://www.popsci.com/gear-gadgets/article/2008-02/grouse-inkjet-refill-racket

32 posted on 12/04/2009 6:31:12 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Kirkwood

I have a Pantone Huey Pro for monitor calibration. It keeps my edit output pretty close to what the printer needs. The HP monitor I have will try to self calibrate if it isn’t blocked, as will Photoshop. You have to disable the Adobe gamma feature in Photoshop. The Pantone program works great.


33 posted on 12/04/2009 6:36:03 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Kirkwood

Ahhh, thank you very much!


34 posted on 12/04/2009 6:39:41 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I am sitting here looking at my HP Ps7450(it was a demo model at 60% off)that I used to make 8 massive family photo albums a couple of Christmases ago and I am jealous(yes, I covet thou printer). I tried off brand photo paper and ended up with HP Premium Photo paper because the colors stayed truer. It upped the cost, but, if you factor in the cost of the printer I figured I squeezed every cent out of the project. I know that throw away things is not P.C., but, it worked for me.


35 posted on 12/04/2009 6:49:54 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Agree re inkjet.


36 posted on 12/04/2009 6:53:50 PM PST by Let's Roll (Stop paying ACORN to destroy America! Cut off their government funding!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Ok i got it. I do not have a printer and did not understand the price of ink (jeez it is more expensive than gold)my wife goes to Walmart and gets the pics done while she shops..


37 posted on 12/04/2009 6:55:46 PM PST by GSP.FAN (These are the times that try men's souls.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Very impressive.


38 posted on 12/04/2009 6:57:39 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Been down the printing road for a while, and here's my 2 cents. For the price of the printer, it might not be that big a deal, but aftermarket inks sometimes have problems. They sometimes clog the holes of the printer. They may be of a different type which does not work with the paper. These inks frequently change color over time. Most printing companies, particularly Epson and Canon, which compete for the high end market, design their papers to work specifically with their inks. Because I sell almost everything I print, I went with an Epson 2200. It cost something like $700 new, but has worked for over five years with no problems. It has a pigment based ink that lasts significantly longer than the dye based inks. For any volume printing, I usually use an online store. In Texas, I use Precision Camera out of Austin. The professional printers like them are more consistent than the outlets. I almost always print on a photo luster or matte paper, rather than a glossy. The glossy papers don't hold the ink as well and the dye changes color more quickly. They're particularly problematic with reds. For black and white prints, I always use matte papers. Coated papers tend to go blue on black and white prints, although the newer generations of printers have supposedly fixed this. Prints on matte papers are very fragile to the touch, but hold their color well over a long period of time.


39 posted on 12/04/2009 6:58:28 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: crazyhorse691
The D5460 isn't an expensive printer, I'm considering another one for backup. Check Amazon's prices.

If you get a printer and intend to use a CIS system use up the original cartridges first. Some of the original cartridges contain additives to break in the new printhead. You may also need to transfer the OEM chips to the system cartridges.

Printers with the printheads built into the cartridges aren't practical for conversion, the printheads don't last very long.

40 posted on 12/04/2009 7:02:37 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Richard Kimball
The D5460 uses pigment cyan and magenta, and one of the blacks. The yellow and photo black are dye based. It doesn't use photo cyan and photo magenta.

I've never had a problem with Stratitec ink.

41 posted on 12/04/2009 7:10:12 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Thanks for the info. Btw, I enjoy your bird photos posted here.


42 posted on 12/04/2009 7:23:35 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Can you recommend a good printer that is Compatible with CISS.

I’m a little(ok alot) confused.


43 posted on 12/04/2009 7:31:37 PM PST by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!)
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To: Randy Larsen

I like my HP D5460.


44 posted on 12/04/2009 7:46:03 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Thanks!

It’s hard to find though.


45 posted on 12/04/2009 7:50:12 PM PST by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Wow, dude, that's an 99 printer.I'm thinking of getting Epson 810, twice the price.


46 posted on 12/04/2009 7:57:21 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

$99


47 posted on 12/04/2009 7:57:53 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Richard Kimball
I agree with your take on aftermarket inks: they fade, the colors aren't constant, and they WILL, repeat, they WILL clog the print nozzles without frequent useage. If you are serious about your prints, if you want them to last, pay what it costs, and stick with Epson or Canon Inks.

I own a variety of printers, from an Epson Artisan 800 All-in-One, to a 24” Canon Prograph iPF 6200. I use a number of different color management approaches, including custom profiles from paper manufacturers, and profiles I build myself using Datacolor Spyder 3 and EFI ColorExpress. For everyday color printing of photos, CD/DVD, and the like, you cannot beat the Artisan 800/810. For fine art, or photos up to 13x19, my favorite is the 8 color Canon 19900 or the Canon Pro 9500. I own both, and they are dependable, durable, and impressive printers. I use the Canon iPF6200 with 24” x 50’ rolls of Fine Art Watercolor, Inkpress Rag, Red River Polar Matte/ Ultra Pro Satin, or Hannemule German Etching paper for very large prints. For photos on all of the printers, I prefer Illford Gallery Pearl in rolls or sheets. Lately, I have been mining the Library of Congress collection, and restoring theatrical posters, WPA posters, WWI posters, 4x5 TIFF files of WWII scenes (Rosie the Riveter and such) or American Indian Ethnographic studies from the 1900 and prior. I do all of this for fun. Without doubt, it can be tedious work, but it's my hobby, and the quality I produce is superior to any commercial glicee I have yet seen.

48 posted on 12/04/2009 8:17:40 PM PST by PUGACHEV
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Fascinating. Thanks for sharing.

BTW, I have a HP Photosmart C6280 All in One. How much does it differ from yours?


49 posted on 12/04/2009 8:35:46 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I’m curious and uninformed, so I appreciate this thread. A friend recently noted that Kodak printers are being marketed as having much lower per-page costs than H-P and others— does anyone here have experience or opinions on their recent products?


50 posted on 12/04/2009 9:04:13 PM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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