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1 posted on 12/08/2009 8:05:11 AM PST by Til I am the last man standing
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Sorry, I forgot to add that the EPA cannot set up a trillion dollar carbon trading scheme that will cost us even more money and enrich their Wall Street, Goldman-Sachs donors


2 posted on 12/08/2009 8:06:56 AM PST by Til I am the last man standing (It's the internet Senators; We can see what you are doing!)
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The EPA cannot redistribute the wealth of this country the way congress can.

While you are correct on paper, that doesn't make it so in the real world. We have to look no further than the FCC as an example of this, albeit on a smaller scale. Back in the mid 90s, Congress gave the FCC authority levy any 'fee' it saw fit and use the funds for purposes it deemed worthy to promote communication services and accessibility. This one small law then allowed the FCC to tack on whatever fee they wanted, whenever they wanted (thus all the 'telecom' fees you see on any communication services such as infrastructure fees, connectivity fees, 911 service fees, etc). None of these needed specific Congressional approval because they weren't 'taxes'. The FCC has added and changed these at will. They also have spent the money at will, all using that first Congressional authorization as cover, not needing any new bills for each change.

It takes no stretch of the imagination to see how the EPA could use a tactic like this on a much grander scale.

3 posted on 12/08/2009 8:09:54 AM PST by mnehring
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LET THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION BE THE SOLE OWNER OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF IMPLEMENTING THEIR RULING.

EPA can impose some very heavy handed regulations on business and utility companies that will cost jobs and raise the price of energy. This will delight Obama's base and may or may not hurt Democrat incumbents who can have their cake and eat it too. They can decry the actions of the EPA and avoid taking a vote on the issue [in the Senate]. Cap and trade can be delayed giving all of the Dems an out prior to the midterms.

I don't care if Obama owns this or not. The issue is higher prices for energy, which in turn drive up the costs of goods and services. And we will see if this has electoral consequences in 2010.

4 posted on 12/08/2009 8:14:36 AM PST by kabar
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I say never stop attacking the government.

“They do not have the taxing authority of Congress”

It does not matter, they simply charge “fees” - look at my local public school - money given to them was reduced, I had to pay increased fees to the school for my children to attend.

So the government does not tax, it simply charges fees and further burdens the American people.


5 posted on 12/08/2009 8:14:40 AM PST by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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I said it before and I’ll say it again. Between this and Obamacare, this is the largest power grab by the Fed in US History.


9 posted on 12/08/2009 8:18:04 AM PST by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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When a government department engages in blatant overreaching, it’s time to eliminate that department. The EPA has shown that they have no credibility at all, it’s time for them to go away.


11 posted on 12/08/2009 8:21:04 AM PST by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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Sorry, but I disagree. The EPA can do a nearly infinite amount of damage here.

Letting Hussein and the Dems “own” the destruction of our freedom is worth nothing to me. I don’t want it to happen period.

With all respect to Charles K, this is giving essentially dictatorial powers to the EPA. The damage to our Constitution here is immeasurable.


13 posted on 12/08/2009 8:23:29 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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I don't care if Congress passes cap and tax or the EPA decides to make all the rules, I will start a movement to get companies and citizens to ignore and refuse to follow their dictates.

That goes the same for any health care bill that funds abortion, single payer or anything the democrats wish to pass. Anything other than being able to purchase insurance across state lines or torte reform is unacceptable.

OBAMA is a MARXIST and if he can't get the STUPID democrats in Congress to do his bidding, he will do an end run around them. After he finishes stacking the courts and giving all his MARXISTS friends (CZARS) powerful positions in our government, groups like ACORN and SEIU to do his bidding, he won't need Congress. The STUPID democrats in Congress think they are going to hang on to their power and RULE (per Pelosi) forever, but they're not. He will throw them under the bus quicker than he did his grandmother. He's already acting like Hugo Chavez.

18 posted on 12/08/2009 8:34:33 AM PST by BMC1 (Our dear leader (obama) and his brown shirt gang are finding out we don't want socialism)
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With the Obama administration having control over GM and chrysler they need to get Ford to take the bait and then Obama can allow the EPA to drop the hammer on production laws.Looks like we will end up with electric go-karts and more nuclear power plants anyone smell GE near by?.


27 posted on 12/08/2009 9:57:10 AM PST by Vaduz
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They can. They can’t. They will. They won’t. Lawyers will get rich off of this bickering and little will be solved. There is only one effort that will stop the left’s agenda, 2010 mid term elections win.

We need to throw money and effort into 2010 like never before and a get-out-the-vote effort never seen before.


28 posted on 12/08/2009 9:57:43 AM PST by Joan Kerrey (The bigger the government = The smaller the people)
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1. They do not have the taxing authority of Congress,

When the excutive wants to tax, they call it a "fine".

2. The EPA cannot redistribute the wealth of this country the way congress can.

Irrelevant when your company is slapped with a $2MM fine. The effect is the same to you.

3. They have no way of making their political rulings permanent; another administration can overturn those rules.

Little consolation after your company goes bankrupt or you are laid off so your employer can pay the fines.

4. Their rules are subject to more judicial scrutiny; we can sue them.

Hah! The SCOTUS has already handed the EPA this authority. Good luck with that.

Some "checks and balances" we have going on, eh? Now it's "compromise and collaboration".

36 posted on 12/09/2009 8:24:19 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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