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Sherlock...Ritchie has turned Holmes into a rock-and-roll roué resembling a young Keith Richards.
Daily Telegraph ^ | December 15, 2009 | Marc Lee

Posted on 12/15/2009 9:10:59 AM PST by C19fan

Long before the film was in the can, there were worrying signs. Early reports suggested that the re-imagined Sherlock Holmes would not be wearing a deerstalker, nor would he be sucking pensively on a Meerschaum Calabash. We already knew that this most quintessential of English characters was to be played by an American – and that the director had not made a great film for almost a decade.

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Ritchie has turned Holmes into a rock-and-roll roué resembling a young Keith Richards. He is an inveterate drug abuser and lives in decadent squalor; yet he is also a master of martial arts, happy to show off his six-pack in the ring as a bare-knuckle fighter. And the monstrous hangovers never dull his skills as a sleuth without peer.

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The relationship between the latest Holmes and Watson hints at a homo-erotic dimension. They frequently squabble like a married couple, and Holmes spends much of the movie trying to persuade Watson not to leave their shared accommodation at 221B Baker Street as Watson makes arrangements for his forthcoming marriage.

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KEYWORDS: downey; holmes; sherlockholmes
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Sounds like another example of imposing modern angst and mores on the past. I was a bit turned off by the previews and this just confirms it. I found this on another review:

Great, energetic fun! Guy Ritchie is back and delivers a strong, gay romance. McAdams and Reilly are in the way of the “bromance”. Entire production excellent.

http://reelrave.com/review/240

Maybe the movie should be retitled "Brokeback Victorian London".

1 posted on 12/15/2009 9:10:59 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

Didn’t know Keith was into the Opium like Captain Basil.


2 posted on 12/15/2009 9:12:35 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: C19fan

My understanding is that he original Sherlock Holmes character was a frequent drug user. I think House MD is roughly based on Holmes’ character.

SnakeDoc


3 posted on 12/15/2009 9:15:05 AM PST by SnakeDoctor ("Talk low, talk slow, and don't say too much." -- John Wayne)
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To: C19fan

As much as I am looking forward to this movie, I still think no one can do Holmes like Jeremy Brett could.


4 posted on 12/15/2009 9:15:29 AM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: Borges

ping


5 posted on 12/15/2009 9:16:35 AM PST by EveningStar
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To: C19fan

why??

Why do they have to do this?

Why not call him something else? Why use the Sherlock Holmes name on this dreck?


6 posted on 12/15/2009 9:16:59 AM PST by GeronL (Join the Palin Beer Summit Putsch!!)
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To: SnakeDoctor

I think the show House is going gay too. I hate libs.


7 posted on 12/15/2009 9:19:22 AM PST by GeronL (Join the Palin Beer Summit Putsch!!)
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To: stuartcr
Now one did Holmes better than Brett!!


8 posted on 12/15/2009 9:21:03 AM PST by Cuttnhorse ("Peace" is that brief, glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading. (Anon))
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To: SnakeDoctor

That is true although from what I understand diluted cocaine and morphine which was quite common during that time.


9 posted on 12/15/2009 9:21:35 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan
Saw the previews last night on the Terminator Salvation DVD and I thought it looked pretty good.

Guy Ritchie hadn't made a decent film the whole time he was married to Madonna. Hopefully now that they're divorced, she no longer sucks the creative energy from him and this one will return to the entertaining level of Lock, Stock... and Snatch.

10 posted on 12/15/2009 9:22:07 AM PST by Drew68
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To: GeronL

Going gay? How so? One of House’s subordinates is bisexual (and has been for a couple of seasons).

SnakeDoc


11 posted on 12/15/2009 9:24:33 AM PST by SnakeDoctor ("Talk low, talk slow, and don't say too much." -- John Wayne)
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To: Drew68

I liked Terminator Salvation. It wasn’t a Guy Ritchie film, though — it was by some guy that calls himself “McG”.

SnakeDoc


12 posted on 12/15/2009 9:26:13 AM PST by SnakeDoctor ("Talk low, talk slow, and don't say too much." -- John Wayne)
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To: C19fan

I think I will ... stick with the books, thanks.


13 posted on 12/15/2009 9:28:57 AM PST by ikka
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To: Cuttnhorse

Absolutely. He just looked like what one would think Holmes looked like. Maybe that’s a result of my reading so much Doyle as a youth and watching Rathbone as Holmes. Either way, I always look forward to any Holmes on the big screen.


14 posted on 12/15/2009 9:29:31 AM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: C19fan

I, for one, can’t wait to Miss it!!!


15 posted on 12/15/2009 9:29:31 AM PST by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: SnakeDoctor
I liked Terminator Salvation. It wasn’t a Guy Ritchie film, though — it was by some guy that calls himself “McG”.

You are correct. But it had the previews for the new Sherlock Holmes film which is a Guy Ritchie film.

16 posted on 12/15/2009 9:30:57 AM PST by Drew68
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To: GeronL

Because it’s a movie about him?


17 posted on 12/15/2009 9:31:25 AM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: SnakeDoctor

House & Watson. They have been heading that way from day one. lol.


18 posted on 12/15/2009 9:34:05 AM PST by GeronL (Join the Palin Beer Summit Putsch!!)
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To: SnakeDoctor
I think House MD is roughly based on Holmes’ character.

you know, i've never heard that... but now that you mention it, i would think so...

19 posted on 12/15/2009 9:35:13 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: GeronL
House & Watson. They have been heading that way from day one.

House and Wilson? no way... ewww...

20 posted on 12/15/2009 9:36:39 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: latina4dubya

Didn’t they just put in a bid for a loft together? Bought it from under Cuddy?

Nice starter home for a couple. lol.


21 posted on 12/15/2009 9:38:39 AM PST by GeronL (Join the Palin Beer Summit Putsch!!)
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To: Cuttnhorse

Yes. Jeremy Brett was the definitive, thinking man’s Holmes. I can’t imagine anyone doing a better production than these masterpieces. And I can’t figure out why movie makers want to take everything down to their own, juvenile, ignorant, faux-cool level.


22 posted on 12/15/2009 9:42:44 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: C19fan
Why can't FReepers just enjoy a fricking movie without whining about how gay it is or how leftist it is. Are you going to become indoctrinated after viewing it? How fun would the movie be without the drug usage, the narcissist behavior from Holmes, and the fighting? Holmes was a brawler, he had bad habits and hygiene, and Watson was his right-hand man, so the movie isn't a far departure from Arthur Doyle's original short stories.

People really believe that the 1800s was an idyllic, magical conservative time. Nothing could be further from the truth. The period had just as much homosexuality, prostitution, crime, and drug abuse as now.

23 posted on 12/15/2009 9:44:18 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (10 YEARS OF FREEPING! HAPPY ANNIVERSARY EEE!!!)
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To: C19fan
Gay Richie, Robert Downey and Jude law.... what a crock!

I'll stick with Basil Rathbone and Nigel Bruce.

24 posted on 12/15/2009 9:47:34 AM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: latina4dubya

The Wikipedia Page for House has a whole section on similarities to Sherlock Holmes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_(TV_series)

Its a pretty interesting comparison. I think the show’s originators specifically had Holmes in mind when they wrote House.

SnakeDoc


25 posted on 12/15/2009 9:47:54 AM PST by SnakeDoctor ("Talk low, talk slow, and don't say too much." -- John Wayne)
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To: SnakeDoctor
The orginal Sherlock Holmes was a drug user, morphine I think.

I loved Ritchie's "RockNRolla".

26 posted on 12/15/2009 9:49:09 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: C19fan

It’s the action sequences that are probably going to keep me away from this movie. Holmes as a druggie is actually from the books, and his relationships were weird in the books too. But those big fight scenes are just outside the realm of Holmes.


27 posted on 12/15/2009 9:49:16 AM PST by discostu (The Bluebird of Happiness long absent from his life, Ned is visited by the Chicken of Depression)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

So you enjoy watching butt stuffers. LOL

Take you libertarian morals and stuff’em!


28 posted on 12/15/2009 9:50:07 AM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: SnakeDoctor

House contains a lot of hat-tips to Sherlock Holmes. House’s apartment is at 221 Baker Street (revealed first season), and it’s apartment “B”. Wilson/Watson is obvious, and his basic alienation of everyone except Wilson is similar to Holmes and Watson. We haven’t seen if House has a brother (Mycroft?)

House is addicted to painkillers, much as Holmes was addicted to cocaine. Wilson and Watson are both married and then divorced, largely due to their association with House/Holmes and the demands they make on their time.

Holmes would play the violin to concentrate, House plays the guitar. About the only largely missing piece is the meerschaum pipe and the deerstalker...

Finally, it’s arguable that House’s Dr. Cuddy plays the role of Mrs. Hudson, Holme’s housekeeper, often cleaning up the mess and putting up with his insane antics.


29 posted on 12/15/2009 10:00:29 AM PST by jnaujok (Charter member of the vast, right-wing conspiracy.)
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To: Reagan Man
So you enjoy watching butt stuffers. LOL

If I did, I wouldn't be a poster here for 10 years.

Take you libertarian morals and stuff’em!

You're describing a libertine. I'm not a libertine.

Giants still gonna make the playoffs? ROFL

30 posted on 12/15/2009 10:09:51 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (10 YEARS OF FREEPING! HAPPY ANNIVERSARY EEE!!!)
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To: stuartcr

I still think no one can do Holmes like Jeremy Brett could.

Disagree: the classic Holmes is Basil Rathbone and Nigel Bruce. Once seen, all pale in comparison.


31 posted on 12/15/2009 10:11:31 AM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

Seems like we disagree. I liked Rathbone’s movies, but in my opinion, he didn’t get into the character like Brett did.


32 posted on 12/15/2009 10:18:10 AM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: GeronL
Didn’t they just put in a bid for a loft together? Bought it from under Cuddy?

i was under the impression that Wilson was buying it... not the two together...

33 posted on 12/15/2009 10:24:00 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: latina4dubya

heh.

House has had separations issues before when Wilson tried to move out.

Could just be dependency issues I suppose, we KNOW House has those.


34 posted on 12/15/2009 10:28:18 AM PST by GeronL (Join the Palin Beer Summit Putsch!!)
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To: stuartcr

Jeremy Brett as Holmes is my all time favorite thing ever shown on PBS; hands down. When he died back in 1995, it was sad to think no more new episodes would be produced.


35 posted on 12/15/2009 10:29:28 AM PST by NewMexLurker
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

So touchy.

Libertine, libertarian, not much difference. Btw, how’s your hero Ron Paul doing?

The Giants just won a Super Bowl in 2008. Can’t win’em all. When was the last time your team won a Super Bowl?

How about them Yankees!


36 posted on 12/15/2009 10:29:28 AM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: discostu

IIRC, the original Holmes did make reference to him being a competent boxer.


37 posted on 12/15/2009 10:29:41 AM PST by ctdonath2 (It from fit.)
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To: SnakeDoctor

Sherlock Holes is based on Dr. Joseph Bell, Holmes was loosely based on Bell and his observant ways. Bell was aware of this inspiration and took some pride in it.


38 posted on 12/15/2009 10:32:39 AM PST by JimC214
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To: JimC214
Bell was also Queen Victoria's physician, and in one episode of House, Wilson Gave House a Book on diagnostic medicine written by Bell.
39 posted on 12/15/2009 10:35:08 AM PST by JimC214
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To: NewMexLurker

I would much rather rent the PBS “Holmes” series, with Brett, from Netflix, than shell out ten bucks to see a gay Hollywood version.


40 posted on 12/15/2009 10:40:44 AM PST by Palladin (Holder and Obama are terrorists.)
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To: NewMexLurker

I agree. That and Bernard Cornwell’s Sharpe series were excellent.


41 posted on 12/15/2009 10:53:22 AM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: stuartcr
As much as I am looking forward to this movie, I still think no one can do Holmes like Jeremy Brett could.

PSHAW! :-) Basil Rathbone rules! (I wanted to belt Brett a couple of times.)

FWIW, Turner Classic Movies had Basil on the 25th and 26th of this month.

42 posted on 12/15/2009 11:06:00 AM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: GeronL

You hit the nail on the head.

The reason for this dreck is that the producers/director/writers are brain-dead pseudo-intellectuals with neither the brains nor brass to come up with their own pitiful character, so they had to try to steal the ingenious creation of a dead man.

(Sorry, Dr. Doyle, your spiritualism was a blind alley, after all.)

I doubt their efforts will come to much. In a few short years, this travesty will be long-forgotten.


43 posted on 12/15/2009 11:25:18 AM PST by mywholebodyisaweapon
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To: ctdonath2

Competent boxer yeah, but the scenes in the preview are wild and crazy Hollywood action hero fight scenes. That’s too far for me, at least with the Holmes character.


44 posted on 12/15/2009 11:33:50 AM PST by discostu (The Bluebird of Happiness long absent from his life, Ned is visited by the Chicken of Depression)
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To: Oatka

Sorry I missed them. I haven’t seen one of his Holmes movies in quite a while.


45 posted on 12/15/2009 11:52:53 AM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: stuartcr; equalitybeforethelaw

Both actors had a very good take on Holmes. I preferred Brett myself, as those productions were almost word for word faithful to the original stories. Rathbone’s movies were of course the first I saw of Holmes on screen, but they did take liberties with the stories.


46 posted on 12/15/2009 11:58:43 AM PST by tarawa
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To: tarawa

Watson did not divorce his wife. She died. Wilson is a multi-philanderer and divorced at least twice.


47 posted on 12/15/2009 12:05:05 PM PST by lawdave
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To: tarawa

Watson did not divorce his wife. She died. Wilson is a multi-philanderer and divorced at least twice.


48 posted on 12/15/2009 12:05:11 PM PST by lawdave
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To: tarawa

Yes, especially the ones where he fought Nazis.


49 posted on 12/15/2009 12:05:23 PM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: latina4dubya

Homes gay? Possible
Watson Gay? Never! He liked women far too much.


50 posted on 12/15/2009 1:19:55 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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