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New pricetag for a new Vikes' stadium: $870M (They won't stop asking!)
Minneapolis StarTribune (aka The Red Star) ^ | 12/17/09 | Bob Von Sternberg - Staff Reporter

Posted on 12/17/2009 12:51:04 PM PST by MplsSteve

Building a new stadium on the site of the Metrodome would cost $870 million, according to a report presented today to the Dome’s landlords.

That compares to the most recent $954 million pricetag of a new stadium, primarily because of lower product and labor costs, according to Bill Lester, executive director of the Metropolitan Sports Facilities Commission (MSFC).

According to Mortenson Construction, the cost decreased by nine percent since February of 2009 – a savings of $84 million.

“What we’ve learned is that the time to do this is now,” commission chairman Roy Terwilliger said in a prepared statement.

The Vikings called the report "an important contribution" to the search for a new stadium, but the team declined to endorse it. "Given the MSFC's recent attempt to delay a stadium discussion for two years, we are moving forward with those leaders who want to resolve this issue in 2010," the team said in a written statement.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Local News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: footballstadium; minnesota; ripoff; taxpayers
You know what?! I am so incredibly sick of this new football stadium talk.

I still haven't gotten over how the GOP (including Gov Tim Pawlenty) all but fell over themselves to allow a new professional baseball stadium to be built in Hennepin County - without any taxpayer approval!

Does anyone out there really really believe that a new stadium can be built on the site of the Metrodome for only 870 million dollars?! If they do, I definitely have some oceanfront property in Minneapolis to sell you.

And the Vikings? Well, they have their noses out of joint because the Metropolitan Sports Facilities Commission asked them to extend their lease in the Metrodome for a few more years - until the economy improved and the political climate was right for approval of a new football stadium.

I don't care whether we have a bad economy or a good economy in this state. The bottom line is "I don't wanna pay for it!". Why the hell can't our elected officials understand this? We had a baseball stadium crammed down our throats three years ago in spite of lopsided polls saying "No, make the Twins pay for it!"

It is not the responsibility of state or local government to build a new stadium for a multi-millionaire owner of a professional sports team.

Comments or opinions - anyone?

1 posted on 12/17/2009 12:51:06 PM PST by MplsSteve
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2 posted on 12/17/2009 12:52:19 PM PST by MplsSteve
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To: MplsSteve

We still got the Astrodome sitting here doing nothing in Houston. They can have it if they move it.


3 posted on 12/17/2009 12:54:54 PM PST by dblshot
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To: MplsSteve

Ok, so let the Vikings raise the money and build it themselves.


4 posted on 12/17/2009 12:55:22 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: MplsSteve
How about having the fans pay for it with a special stadium tax on the ticket. Let's see: $870 milllion divided by 30 years life divided by 10 games a year (got to stick the preseason chumps too) divided by 60,000 fans. So you have $48/ticket plus interest. Well, maybe we can go with bleachers in the upper decks.
5 posted on 12/17/2009 12:56:29 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Gore is the fifth horseman of the apocalypse. He rides an icy horse bringing cold wherever he goes.)
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To: MplsSteve
The Flavian Amphitheatre (Roman Coliseum) was built in the last century, B.C. It held over 50K and most of it still stands today.

Why can't we, some 2,000 years later, build a stadium that can make it more than 20 or 30 years?

6 posted on 12/17/2009 12:57:05 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: MplsSteve

That’s why I don’t watch professional sports anymore, and I used to be as huge football fan.


7 posted on 12/17/2009 12:59:53 PM PST by Daveinyork
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To: MplsSteve

Who was it who said, “without baseball, Mpls will become just a cold Omaha” ?


8 posted on 12/17/2009 1:04:12 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: OldDeckHand

>> Why can’t we, some 2,000 years later, build a stadium that can make it more than 20 or 30 years?

Because the Romans weren’t handicapped with shoddy, lazy, second-rate union labor?


9 posted on 12/17/2009 1:05:55 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: MplsSteve

Comments or opinions - anyone?

Now, now, calm down. All you have to do is have your Senator tack it on to the stimulis bill or healthcare bill. No one will know and then the whole country can pay for it. Relax I’m sure your Senator can bring home the bacon for you guys - that is the only one of the few things they do well ;)


10 posted on 12/17/2009 1:06:25 PM PST by Bitsy
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To: pnh102
I listen to sports talk on the way in the afternoons, better traffic reports than the other stations, the other day they had some pro-football writer on and they were talking about stadiums and he was saying how terrible it was that the new Giants Stadium had been built with private money and now people could claim that public funds didn't have to be used. What an idiot
11 posted on 12/17/2009 1:07:14 PM PST by sticker
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To: MplsSteve
Some years ago, an acquaintance from Winnipeg told me a story about the former Winnipeg Jets. They demanded a new hockey arena or they were going to leave Winnipeg. Well, the powers that be put it to a referendum and the voters turned it down. The Jets did leave Winnipeg, but this acquaintance told me the citizens were much happier (and more solvent) without them.

With regard to our baseball and football stadiums, we went through a similar situation as Minnesota. I still remember this dolt of a mayor who said that Pittsburghers would not have to foot the bill for the baseball stadium because the state was going to pay for it (or most of it). Uh...hello...where did the mayor think the money from the state would actually come from?

12 posted on 12/17/2009 1:08:55 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: MplsSteve

That is where the Viqueens are supposed to play. Not the Hubert H. Humphrey Deflatable Metrodome or anyplace else.

I still remember Bud Grant promising them space heaters when they won the Superbowl. They never got their heaters. They got a heated stadium instead...and look what happened to them (haven't been worth a damn since they left the Met)

13 posted on 12/17/2009 1:13:12 PM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: MplsSteve

These city commissioned studies always seem to say “go for it”. Maybe because of who is paying for the study?

How many cities built huge convention centers and now find there isn’t enough big conventions to justify them? The city of Dallas is building its own hotel, as if there aren’t other hotels in the area.

Stop the spending.

If the owner of the team wants a stadium, let him pay for it.


14 posted on 12/17/2009 1:13:32 PM PST by GeronL
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To: MplsSteve
It is not the responsibility of state or local government to build a new stadium for a multi-millionaire owner of a professional sports team. Comments or opinions - anyone?

As much as anyone here for small government, I see major sports franchises as infrastructure for cities. The real game is to attract those who would employ thousands with good paying jobs. Sports and educational institutions get it done.

In addition, other cities such as Denver and Phoenix fund sports through dedicated taxes. Sports franchisees can move.

So it sucks for non fans to pay for this, but higher unemployment is worse.

15 posted on 12/17/2009 1:14:40 PM PST by cicero2k
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To: MplsSteve

But a billion dollar stadium for an NFL team means 10 games a year and 10 days of work for those people selling peanuts and hot dogs, isn’t that worth a billion? /sarc


16 posted on 12/17/2009 1:14:44 PM PST by GeronL
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To: fatnotlazy

Exactly.


17 posted on 12/17/2009 1:16:47 PM PST by GeronL
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To: cicero2k

Sports stadiums are not infrastructure. Why should a million people pay so some billionaire can give a gift to his millionaire employees? Let those 50,000 fans per game pay for it instead.

It is a private business, let them pay for their own stuff. This is not the job of a government. Same with public libraries, the patrons should pay for it, not everyone else.


18 posted on 12/17/2009 1:19:23 PM PST by GeronL
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To: MplsSteve
The problem with the Metrodome is not the Metrodome.

The problem with the Metrodome is the SITE of the Metrodome, or more specifically the lack of parking/tailgating.

I daresay that if the dome had been built with a giant parking lot that it would've been a giant success.

I predicted the Metrodome failing back when they built it because of the lack of tailgating like at the old Met Stadium.

The secret of the old met was the giant parking lot and the great parties that it provided and any new stadium will succeed if that recipe is followed.

Dang those were fun days.

I guess failure is doomed to repeat itself.

19 posted on 12/17/2009 1:19:59 PM PST by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: MplsSteve

Cheapskates! LOL .. altho I’d hate to see the Vikes move.. I hope not.

The 9ers are trying to build a new stadium and move to Santa Clara. the cost? probably a billion at least but Hey look at Dallas.

NFL TV revenue alone for teams is hugh.

Add branding and marketing stuff and katie bar the door as to how much you can make long term.


20 posted on 12/17/2009 1:20:36 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: OldDeckHand

The problem is that only “most” of it is still standing. Also technology moves forward, newer stadiums have nicer just about everything, better seats, better site lines, better locker rooms, better drainage for rain, better sound system (goof for events other than sports). Our stadiums can last longer than 30 years, they just tend to not be the kind of place you want to put a billion sports business anymore.


21 posted on 12/17/2009 1:22:13 PM PST by discostu (The Bluebird of Happiness long absent from his life, Ned is visited by the Chicken of Depression)
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To: Manic_Episode

You nailed it; word for word. Ditto.


22 posted on 12/17/2009 1:22:30 PM PST by Finalapproach29er (Obama will sink as fast as he rose. Idolatry will not succeed. Be patient, folks...)
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To: MplsSteve

Hey, we’ve got the twin to the Metrodome here in Michigan, and since the Lions built Ford Field, they’re not using the Silverdome anymore.

You need any spare roof panels or somethin’?


23 posted on 12/17/2009 1:24:55 PM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: MplsSteve

If they are going to tax anybody to pay for the a new Vikings stadium, I’d like to see the StarTribune and Pioneer Press at the top of the list. Along with the local TV and radio stations, the newspapers profit from the presence of the team. I would hope that this tax would be the first of many rejected by the StarTribune, not just the only one...


24 posted on 12/17/2009 1:38:25 PM PST by DrDavid (George Orwell was an optimist.)
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To: MplsSteve
as a baseball fan....I watched ‘my’ World Champion Yankees beat the Twins in the metrodome...in the ALDS. it was the last time MLB was to be played there. (though a Yankees fan, I have a soft spot in my heart for the Twins...Joe Mauer is in-freaking-credible... unlike other AL teams that I loathe like the Red Sox...or NL teams like the Mets)

the thought of spring and fall baseball in the new open air stadium is as disquieting a scenerio as this past season when the Colorado Rockies had to push back games 3-4 of the NLDS because of snow and 17°F temperatures.

you had a beat up old dome stadium that kept the weather at bay....now you have a brand shiny new outdoor stadium that will be unusable in the post season....way to go Twin cities.

25 posted on 12/17/2009 1:42:35 PM PST by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: OldDeckHand

Because we don’t have access to thousands of Jewish slaves and billions of Temple Gold. The same people who built the Temple in Jerusalem built the Coliseum.


26 posted on 12/17/2009 1:47:39 PM PST by US Navy Vet
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To: Manic_Episode
There is a small tailgate area nearby, but you have to know the right people. It's the Valspar Paint Company parking lot, about five minutes walk from the ‘Dome.
27 posted on 12/17/2009 1:52:32 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: markomalley

They got a heated stadium instead...and look what happened to them (haven’t been worth a damn since they left the Met)

I guess the fans don’t like the cold. I used to love the Vikes with Bud Grant. Didn’t know a thing about them, but the games were always entertaining. Loved the snow and mud. Real football. How much would it cost to build an outdoor stadium versus an indoor tractor pulling stadium?


28 posted on 12/17/2009 2:06:51 PM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: dblshot

If London Bridge can be moved, the Astrodome can be moved.


29 posted on 12/17/2009 2:07:34 PM PST by NCC-1701 (ON 1-19-09 GAS WAS, ON AVERAGE IN MEMPHIS, $1.43 A GALLON.)
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To: MplsSteve

870 million? Is that all? OMG we’d be crazy NOT to build it! RAISE THE SKULL AND BONES, WE’RE READY FOR TAX PLUNDERING!!! SPARE NO ONE!

I am sorry but people are better off keeping the 870 million. Let the team spend its money to do some renovation in the existing stadium. Let them take the risk and reap the rewards of taking that risk. That’s business. Keee-rap.

If anything needs immediate attention, could it be.... roads and bridges perhaps? Not as sexy but most states let this stuff decay and steal highway/road funds for other things.


30 posted on 12/17/2009 2:12:15 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: MplsSteve

I agree. Taxpayers shouldn’t be paying for private enterprises. Not GM, not Chrysler, not banks, not ballparks.


31 posted on 12/17/2009 2:14:32 PM PST by Skenderbej (People need to learn that no muhammadan practices his religion peacefully.)
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To: cicero2k

I hardly consider hot dog vendors and ticket takers as good jobs.

If the end-all is to create jobs and infrastructure, why don’t cities invest in manufacturing—or something that actually produces wealth?


32 posted on 12/17/2009 2:18:54 PM PST by Skenderbej (People need to learn that no muhammadan practices his religion peacefully.)
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To: OldDeckHand
Most of the stadiums are still structurally sound. The Los Angeles Coliseum, for example, was originally built in 1923. It doesn't have all the luxury boxes and other niceties expected of a professional football stadium, though. The same thing is true of the Astrodome. Texas Stadium was still functional, although Jones let it fall into some disrepair after Cowboys Stadium was approved.
33 posted on 12/17/2009 2:23:25 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Who was it who said, “without baseball, Mpls will become just a cold Omaha” ?

Hubert Humphry.

34 posted on 12/17/2009 2:24:00 PM PST by Pusterfuss (I will give your president the same respect you gave mine.)
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To: Manic_Episode
"The problem with the Metrodome is the SITE of the Metrodome, or more specifically the lack of parking/tailgating.

I am looking out the window at the giant Star Tribune complex just down the street from the dome. I say close down that fish-wrap factory, bull-doze it and you have a perfect tailgating lot right there!

2 problems solved.

If the Vikes are nice maybe they will offer to let the former editors sell dogs on Sundays.

35 posted on 12/17/2009 2:36:26 PM PST by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: GeronL

I think both Dallas and the N.Y. Giants sold “personal seat licenses” to their season ticket holders to pay a big piece of the cost of their new stadiums.

I think each still had some public money involved, but, the seat license money paid hundreds of millions towards each stadium. Let the people who actually go to the games pay the biggest piece of the cost of the stadium. If demand for NFL tickets is that high, that people are wililng to spend thousands in “seat license” money up front, why not do it that way?


36 posted on 12/17/2009 3:45:33 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Pusterfuss

No.


37 posted on 12/17/2009 4:58:40 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Skenderbej
I hardly consider hot dog vendors and ticket takers as good jobs. If the end-all is to create jobs and infrastructure, why don’t cities invest in manufacturing—or something that actually produces wealth?

I'm talking about the 30 year old who has stayed in Minnesota partly because his/her family has had Vikings season tickets forever and decides to start a Web 2.0 business. The Vikings are just another reason to stay in the area. Now he employs 500 which ripples to 1,500 more jobs. That's huge to the area when multiplied by other start ups.

38 posted on 12/17/2009 5:45:07 PM PST by cicero2k
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To: NCC-1701

I dunno about that


39 posted on 12/17/2009 6:10:02 PM PST by winodog
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
No.

There was a time not long ago when Minnesotans wouldn't have countenanced life without the big leagues. Hubert Humphrey, the man for whom the desolate Metrodome was named, once remarked that without professional sports the Twin Cities would be "a cold Omaha." Carlson prefers to demean Des Moines in such comparisons, but the message remains the same.
From the third paragraph of this article.
40 posted on 12/17/2009 6:41:08 PM PST by Pusterfuss (I will give your president the same respect you gave mine.)
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To: MplsSteve
Ah, yes. The site of the Metrodome.

Remember eons ago when the stadium was being voted on and the least desirable place to put it was downtown?

Hey Kids! Let's have a "No-Site Stadium Bill Vote" and then let a panel of experts decide where to put the new stadium if it passes.

Whew! The No-Site Stadium Bill has passed.

Let us convene our panel of experts to determine the most advantageous place for the new stadium.

Meeting.....meeting.....meeting.....meeting.

TA-DA!

The panel has made a decision on the site of the new stadium!

And the most advantageous place for the new stadium is: "May I have the envelope please"....DOWNTOWN!

41 posted on 12/18/2009 5:12:09 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best.)
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To: Pusterfuss
I thought it came from the great sports writer Sid Hartman...
Maybe Sid was quoting Hubert.
42 posted on 12/18/2009 5:18:27 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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