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VANITY: When Obamacare is signed into law, what will happen?
12/19/09 | rintense

Posted on 12/19/2009 8:26:37 AM PST by rintense

With the likelihood of Obamacare passing (thank you, traitor Ben Nelson), it sets the stage for a number of scenarios to occur. Since the majority of Obama's ill-informed minions know they won't be eligible for universal health care until 2013, the flood of folks running to ERs will create a huge problem. Now, perhaps it won't happen. But, the memories of Katrina are permanently etched into my mind. And the 'take what is mine now' mentality is a possible ramification of the bill's passage.

So let me ask you, freepers, what do you see happening to this country as a whole once the bill is signed? As a normally optimistic person, it pains me to say I can't find any good to come of this. In fact, I've put on some tin foil at where this could go (worst case scenario).

Here is the worst case scenario I see:

1. The minute the bill is signed into law, ERs around the country are flooded. Private practices will also have to physically remove those who insist on being treated. Fights and small riots will break out.

2. Obama will have 'no choice' but to force hospitals, etc. to treat those seeking help, and allegedly offer to compensate them immediately.

3. Doctors, nurses, etc. will say screw that and walk away.

4. Within six months, a third of US doctors and nurses will be 'on strike', leading to long lines for treatment, especially in ERs.

5. Because of this 'national emergency', Obama will suspend the Posse Comitatus Act, and have national guard troops in large cities making sure 'peace' prevails.

6.Meanwhile, the states who have passed sovereignty bills will revolt not only against the HC bill, but the unconstitutional seizure of the HC industry, long before the targeted year of 2013.

7.Obama will not have this, and will use the troops already in these states to muscle his intentions. As a result, all elections are put on indefinite hold, and all civil liberties are suspended. FEMA camps are converted into rebel detention facilities.

8.US troops, conflicted by duty, honor and country, and the orders issued by their superiors, will simply walk away. US soldiers are not prepared to fire on American citizens- and will not do so.

9.Choas ensues, with rebellion in the military and at the state level, with armed citizens now forcefully attempting a government overthrow. Masses will flee big cities and head for the heartland.

10.With the US military no longer existing in its historic form, Obama creates a civilian police force of loyalist, who are armed and will confront rebels with force. These loyalist have no problem killing their American brethren.

11.With civil war now engulfing the United States, the world economy has collapsed, and countries like China, Iran and Russia use the crisis to do their own military conquering. China forcefully retakes Taiwan, Russia goes after anyone they can, and Iran starts the bombing of Israel. Without the US, Israel is on its own. Countries like GB, France, etc. won't move a muscle and will stay neutral.

12. With no success as quelling the rebellion at home, Obama will request foreign troops on American soil to 'keep the peace'.

13. I don't even want to think about 13.


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I am very curious to see what other freepers think. It is a very scary time for America, and it isn't my intention to foster fear. But I think its a good exercise in strategic scenarios to prepare ourselves for the worst, and then look at ways to possibly prevent the worst from happening.
1 posted on 12/19/2009 8:26:41 AM PST by rintense
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To: rintense

IMO, there are 59 other traitors, not including zero.


2 posted on 12/19/2009 8:28:41 AM PST by Schnucki
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To: rintense

1. Constitutionality challenged.


3 posted on 12/19/2009 8:28:55 AM PST by John W (The more predictable we are, the more vulnerable we are.)
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To: rintense
Obamacare? Another New World Order oxymoron. The 2009 version of Reagan's "Scariest Words You Could Ever Hear":
'Hi we're from the government and we're here to help you.'"

Let's quit calling it Obamacare and come with a more descriptive word bite. Something like...

Obamascare

Obamawaste

Obamawreck

Obamaruin

Obamanuke

Obamaraze

The Obamanation of desolation (and put a rap beat on it)

Obamaravage

Obamapulverize

Obamadisintegrate

Obaomba the nation

Obaomba America

4 posted on 12/19/2009 8:29:45 AM PST by Jim 0216
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To: rintense

5 posted on 12/19/2009 8:30:28 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: rintense

Oh, you’re such an optimist.


6 posted on 12/19/2009 8:31:08 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Sorry: Tag-line presently at the dry cleaners. Please find suitable bumper-sticker instead.)
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To: rintense

Oh, you’re such an optimist.


7 posted on 12/19/2009 8:31:13 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Sorry: Tag-line presently at the dry cleaners. Please find suitable bumper-sticker instead.)
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To: rintense

I think it is time for a million man Tar and Feathers party in DC.


8 posted on 12/19/2009 8:31:47 AM PST by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: John W

1. Constitutionality challenged.

That’s correct. One of the national groups is already planning a suit. Can’t remember which one, off hand. They’ll be looking for an injured client - someone with ‘standing’ to take before a court. It’ll be a long process, but hopefully most of the legislation can be stayed while the courts get into the act.


9 posted on 12/19/2009 8:32:29 AM PST by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: rintense

You missed a huge tool of the Marxist playbook, the control of food. It will be used to subjugate those who show spine.


10 posted on 12/19/2009 8:33:00 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: rintense
My doctor has already said the minute it is signed into law he is retiring. He also says that many of his peers will also quit. Since he is over 55 and most of his peers are the same they can afford to.

I do not think it will lead to civil unrest. All it will lead to is looooooooooong lines. The Hope and Change people will not do anything on their own, just sit back and take it.

11 posted on 12/19/2009 8:35:21 AM PST by ProudFossil
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To: John W

I wish I could say I have faith in SCOTUS to overturn this, but I don’t.


12 posted on 12/19/2009 8:35:44 AM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. ~ rintense, 2006)
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To: rintense

Will Texas (and whoever else) follow through and secede from the union on the grounds that the federal government has broken its limited-government constitutional agreement with the states, freeing the states from a binding contract?


13 posted on 12/19/2009 8:36:33 AM PST by Jim 0216
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To: screaminsunshine
"I think it is time for a million man Tar and Feathers party in DC."

April 15th. Go to hand in your Tax payment (or notice of NON payment) to the IRS. Million man march?

Make it FIVE MILLION.

"Can you hear us now?"

14 posted on 12/19/2009 8:36:34 AM PST by jessduntno ("The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.")
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To: Jim 0216

That’s a great question. I’m sure those drums will start beating even louder in Texas, esp. since they are one of the states with the sovereignty resolution.


15 posted on 12/19/2009 8:37:29 AM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. ~ rintense, 2006)
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To: rintense

We’re not going to run out of doctors and nurses.

These folks are going to be like a lot of tenured teachers what cannot write a complete sentence.

There is going to be a lot of fat minority women that come from minority colleges that cannot even write their freakin’ names. It’s going to be like government hires. It’s going to be quotas and PC bs. They will have job security like so many of the worthless tenured government employeed union teachers.

Just imagine this wanting to operate on one of your loved ones.


16 posted on 12/19/2009 8:38:43 AM PST by boycott
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To: rintense

I don’t believe it will be like the car fiasco or Katrina. Hospitals have been facing their own Katrina for a long time through illegal immigrants and cuts in the socialized medicine programs that CMS provides. People (legal or not) are already entitled to emergency medical care through EMTALA.
I see more of the less obvious occurring such as physicians retiring earlier than planned, more physicians not accepting CMS (including Medicare)to try and free themselves of the government, more insurance companies closing shop, the need to import foreign physicians who are more the willing to accept this universal care crap, more of the highly qualified students not choosing medicine and more of the less qualified choosing medicine, and as this proposed crapola plan progresses...a huge split in health care between the most wealthy and the rest through emergence of private healthcare system (doesn’t take government minions) and a public system (takes government minions)


17 posted on 12/19/2009 8:38:54 AM PST by ebersole
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To: Twotone
hopefully most of the legislation can be stayed while the courts get into the act

And hopefully the tax increase needed to fund this disaster will be held off or up while the whole thing is in the court system. Which leads to the next question; if the taxation part is delayed 2 - 4 years for court cases, does that mean the benefit part is delayed even further into the future, or do they start at the same time? Oops, there goes the savings!

18 posted on 12/19/2009 8:39:37 AM PST by Bernard (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, Three if by Government)
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To: rintense

Me either.


19 posted on 12/19/2009 8:39:42 AM PST by John W
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To: rintense

I got to save this one to see whether you are a prophet . . . and you just might be.


20 posted on 12/19/2009 8:40:59 AM PST by John Leland 1789 (But then, I'm accused of just being a troll, so . . . .)
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To: ebersole

Perhaps the foreign army is an army of foreign doctors?


21 posted on 12/19/2009 8:41:00 AM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. ~ rintense, 2006)
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To: rintense

One thing for sure pre-existing conditions for children cannot be considered by insurance companies starting immediately. Since the rates for children’s coverage is so low I see rates in general going up.

Governments and charity hospitals will be paying the insurance premiums for their sick kids.


22 posted on 12/19/2009 8:41:09 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Copenhagen Climate Summit; Shovel Ready)
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To: rintense

I think we will eventually have a severe shortage of doctors and quality of care will be much worse than it already is. I don’t think most doctors become doctors to become rich, but I think they do want to be able to provide good care to the best of their ability and they won’t be able to do that. I’ve had doctors tell me that the cost of malpractice insurance drives doctors right out of their business, yet this bill doesn’t address tort reform. Ins companies know how much it costs just to defend all the cases and therefore malpractice insurance is a huge reason that healthcare costs are so high. This bill is insane but what can we expect when people are in charge and have a majority that are communists to their core. I think it will take years for the full impact of this to be felt.


23 posted on 12/19/2009 8:41:43 AM PST by Patriot4ever
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To: rintense
Taxes will go way, way up, and doctors will bail.

Take a number, America.

24 posted on 12/19/2009 8:42:54 AM PST by truthkeeper ("Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?")
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To: John Leland 1789

It isn’t difficult to imagine the moves of liberals. Motive always drives their next move. And we all know their motive is power- total and complete. Oh, and money- your money. If you consider existing liberals, esp. Obama, a scenario like this really isn’t that hard to imagine.


25 posted on 12/19/2009 8:43:12 AM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. ~ rintense, 2006)
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To: rintense
Perhaps the foreign army is an army of foreign doctors?

Spot on. Just travel to Toronto or London and that's what you'll see.

26 posted on 12/19/2009 8:43:14 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: boycott

I agree with you. There will be shortage of qualified personnel because many will not want to work for the government. Once the government took over in the 60s, there was probably an uptick in private schools.
And as the government run entities continued to prove their incompetence over time, the capitalist pigs:)developed alternate systems to increase the quality of education and to turn a profit.

And yes, I am a capitalist pig and love pork


27 posted on 12/19/2009 8:43:26 AM PST by ebersole
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To: Schnucki

Taxes will start being taken this January......


28 posted on 12/19/2009 8:43:33 AM PST by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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To: John W

>>1. Constitutionality challenged.

Constitutionality?!?! What does that have to do with anything in the Obamanation? They control the congress, the alphabet agencies, and most of the court. They wipe their butts with the Constitution.


29 posted on 12/19/2009 8:44:09 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Imagine a day when the politicians have to hold a bake sale to pay for votes!)
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To: Patriot4ever
I don’t think most doctors become doctors to become rich

Yes they do, and there's nothing wrong with that if they do the job well. Being independent used to be an attraction to the profession but that's history now for the most part.

30 posted on 12/19/2009 8:45:40 AM PST by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property....)
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To: ProudFossil

We need to start thinking out of the box here.

Can we get these retiring doctors to start setting up practices just across the border in either Mexico or Canada?


31 posted on 12/19/2009 8:45:55 AM PST by bergmeid (obama. With a small o.)
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To: Freddd

Do we know what sort of tax increases we are faced with?


32 posted on 12/19/2009 8:46:55 AM PST by bergmeid (obama. With a small o.)
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To: buccaneer81

“Perhaps the foreign army is an army of foreign doctors?
Spot on. Just travel to Toronto or London and that’s what you’ll see.”

There hasn’t been anything but in the ER of any big American City Hospital for ten-fifteen years...


33 posted on 12/19/2009 8:48:06 AM PST by jessduntno ("The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.")
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To: rintense; All

“and it isn’t my intention to foster fear..”

What’s wrong with fostering fear? For that matter, what’s wrong with yelling “fire” in a theater if indeed there is a fire.

The Marxists are going for broke, they will seize the power. Then they’ll tie it up for decades because they know that the citizen is basically law abiding sheeple.

This country is basically screwed!

In the Soviet days, people that had reason t fear arrest voluntarily moved to Siberia before the knock on the door came. There they could live outside the gulags instead of in them. These thugs have already been knocking on our doors for years now with NO pushback. Our social body has been destroyed.

I have no nice solutions. Just remember: it took seventy years for the Soviet Beast to consume itself, and that was only because it was denied fresh conquest.

I, personally, have lost everything of value to liberalism. I only wish t flee this mess to find some peaace in solitude. If there’s some sign of resistance to this catastrophy I may be back to help.


34 posted on 12/19/2009 8:49:22 AM PST by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: rintense

The number of applications to medical schools across the country will decrease, as the top tier candidates head into other fields where they can more maintain their autonomy and put their intelligence to good use.

The remaining applicants will be sub-par leading to the continued downward spiral . . .


35 posted on 12/19/2009 8:50:35 AM PST by twinzmommy (is stunned)
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To: bergmeid
Can we get these retiring doctors to start setting up practices just across the border in either Mexico or Canada?

Funny you should ask this. As I said in an earlier post here my doctor has stated he will retire. What is interesting is he knew we went to Sydney, Australia, earlier this year. He was asking me all kinds of questions about the city, how it felt, what the people were like, etc. I have half a notion he is thinking of moving there.

36 posted on 12/19/2009 8:52:09 AM PST by ProudFossil
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To: ProudFossil

I think there will be those who move away from the US. But with the impending global economic collapse, there really won’t be a good place to be. Well, unless its a year-round temperate climate.


37 posted on 12/19/2009 8:54:17 AM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. ~ rintense, 2006)
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To: Regulator

I should have said, I don’t think that is their primary motive. I only say it out of conversations I’ve have with them. Of course, they expect to be compensated fairly and for as hard as they work and have invested in their career, they should be compensated very well. I’ve never had a problem with doctor’s salaries. I just don’t think that very many people go into medicine with the primary reason being that they just want to become rich.


38 posted on 12/19/2009 8:54:36 AM PST by Patriot4ever
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To: rintense

13 should be “ Operation Guillotine” from the movie Eagle Eye !


39 posted on 12/19/2009 8:54:47 AM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: rintense

I’m ready to join any state that by oath will solemnly swear to persevere, protect, and defend the constitution.


40 posted on 12/19/2009 8:55:06 AM PST by Jim 0216
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To: rintense
"CODE BLUE".

sw

41 posted on 12/19/2009 8:55:47 AM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Freddd

Taxes will start being taken this January......


On whom? If it’s not just the “RICH” I’d like to know how far down the income bracket past 250k they are willing to go.

I know they’ll tax your insurance plan. I know they’ll tax your employer. I know they’ll tax insurance company.

I really want to know if that mid 20’s I-smarter-than-you-fresh-out-of-college dumbass is going to get taxed!!??


42 posted on 12/19/2009 8:56:38 AM PST by CommieCutter ("You wanted the presidency, you got it, now FIX THE DAMN ECONOMY!!!!" ----YankeeReb)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

We who do not live in the big cities can strangle the food supplies of the cities and starve them out .


43 posted on 12/19/2009 8:56:44 AM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: rintense

when our mothers and fathers, grandmothers and grandfathers, start dying because of obummercare, there WILL be blood to pay. THEIR BLOOD! our blood.


44 posted on 12/19/2009 8:56:50 AM PST by robomatik
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To: Jim 0216

You and me both, brother.


45 posted on 12/19/2009 8:57:30 AM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. ~ rintense, 2006)
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To: rintense

Now what was it that Claire Wolf said? Just can’t remember.


46 posted on 12/19/2009 8:57:38 AM PST by rcofdayton
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To: rintense


VANITY: When Obamacare is signed into law, what will happen?

Canadians won’t have anywhere to run to for top-flight quality healtcare...


47 posted on 12/19/2009 8:59:02 AM PST by VOA (I)
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To: rintense

Most of this bill will not come into effect for a couple years..Of course the cuts to Seniors, increased taxes and a regulating nightmare for private insurers will start day one


48 posted on 12/19/2009 9:00:50 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: rintense

well, I think immediately, a whole new add-on entitlement constituency earning up to 400% of the “poverty” level (about $80K for a family of 4) will stop paying anything for their medical bills or stop renewing private insurance because they will assume the govt will pay their bills

Think of maybe 1/3 or even half of America refusing to pay their bills or mortgages and feeling entitled about it....

chaos


49 posted on 12/19/2009 9:00:50 AM PST by silverleaf (More folks being invited to the White House for Holiday parties than are being sent to Afghanistan)
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To: TornadoAlley3

that’s the line forming for their “free” govt colonoscopies


50 posted on 12/19/2009 9:01:47 AM PST by silverleaf (More folks being invited to the White House for Holiday parties than are being sent to Afghanistan)
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