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Ancient Mayans Likely Had Fountains and Toilets
LiveScience ^ | Wednesday, December 23, 2009 | Charles Q. Choi

Posted on 12/23/2009 6:54:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv

The ancient Mayans may have had enough engineering know-how to master running water, creating fountains and even toilets by controlling water pressure, scientists now suggest... Scientists investigated the Mayan center at Palenque in Chiapas, Mexico. At its height, this major site, inhabited from roughly 100 to 800 AD, had some 1,500 structures -- residences, palaces, and temples -- holding some 6,000 inhabitants under a series of powerful rulers. The center at Palenque also had what was arguably the most unique and intricate system of water management known anywhere in the Maya lowlands. These involved elaborate subterranean aqueducts to deal with the spring-fed streams that naturally divide the landscape and could otherwise cause flooding or erosion... One peculiar finding at Palenque was a buried, spring-fed conduit some 216 feet long (66 m). While other aqueducts under the site's main plaza stayed relatively level and maintained a roughly constant width, the rectangular conduit was located on a steep slope and abruptly narrowed at its end. Assuming this sloping conduit was smoothly plastered as the aqueducts were at Palenque, the researchers calculated the resulting water pressure could drive a fountain shooting water roughly 20 feet high (6 m)... Running water would have been a luxury, not a necessity. "I actually think that the creation of water pressure at Palenque was a sign of wealth," French said.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: ancient; fountains; godsgravesglyphs; mayans; toilets
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The key was to not mistake one for the other.

1 posted on 12/23/2009 6:54:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv
D'oh! I was just gonna SAY that, LOL!
2 posted on 12/23/2009 6:56:09 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.)
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To: SunkenCiv
No matter how hard PC archaeologists try - the Mayans were no Romans
3 posted on 12/23/2009 6:57:04 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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4 posted on 12/23/2009 6:57:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Bullsh!+ .... only fountains were the fountains of squirting blood from the Aztec temple as the sliced through the flesh of the Innocent....

and since when is digging a scat hole considered a toilet?

You can't undo primitive no matter how hard you try. Yes, feathers and shiny rocks are pretty, but they are not the technologies of men... they do not equate to metallurgy or even the development of the frickin’ wheel...

Give me a break... is Political Correctness dead yet? Didn't we elect a black president or something?

5 posted on 12/23/2009 6:59:17 PM PST by Porterville ( I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubble gum)
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To: SunkenCiv

All that, and no use of wheels except on children’s pull toys. Very odd folk.


6 posted on 12/23/2009 7:00:06 PM PST by Psalm 144 (What did you think NEW WORLD ORDER meant? The Constitution? States' rights? Individual liberty?)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Thanks! Merry Christmas to you!


7 posted on 12/23/2009 7:00:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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To: SunkenCiv

You know, this could be a huge discovery!! I’d be willing to bet that the toilets were not low-flow and destroyed their society!


8 posted on 12/23/2009 7:03:09 PM PST by my small voice (A biased media and an uneducated public is the biggest threat to our democracy)
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To: SunkenCiv

If the Mayans were so friggin’ brilliant, why can’t you find them anymore?


9 posted on 12/23/2009 7:03:30 PM PST by Nachoman (Think of life as an adventure you don't survive.)
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To: Porterville
only fountains were the fountains of squirting blood from the Aztec temple
The Aztecs were hundreds of miles and hundreds of years removed from the Mayans; the Aztecs use of water was quite different, they built acres of rafts which supported earthen gardens. It has nothing to do with political correctness, this is just working from evidence.
10 posted on 12/23/2009 7:06:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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To: Nachoman

I’ve never been to Central America, which is where they live. I have met a Mayan before, though.


11 posted on 12/23/2009 7:07:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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To: 2banana; my small voice
2banana: the Mayans were no Romans
my small voice: bet that the toilets were not low-flow and destroyed their society!
Heh... the Romans used constant flow of water to keep their sewers flowing, and for the rich, to keep their cracks clean.
12 posted on 12/23/2009 7:09:49 PM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Nah duh... wow you must be a scholar. Not.


13 posted on 12/23/2009 7:10:21 PM PST by Porterville ( I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubble gum)
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To: Psalm 144; Berosus

I agree. The Mayans generally used pretty small stones, and there aren’t any post-Columbus eyewitness accounts of their construction techniques; probably used rollers, as other civs did, for the largest stuff. The Egyptians had the wheel, and still were extravagant in their use of labor, such as a Ramses II (if memory serves) statue that is among the largest single pieces of stone ever moved.


14 posted on 12/23/2009 7:13:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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To: Porterville

Right back at ya, toots.


15 posted on 12/23/2009 7:14:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Square conduits are not good containers of pressure. To get 20 feet you would need about one Bar of pressure, about 15 psi. The narrowing could be construed as a venturi, lot of losses.


16 posted on 12/23/2009 7:23:04 PM PST by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: SunkenCiv

The Egyptians had those conveniences thousands of years earlier.


17 posted on 12/23/2009 7:35:18 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Nachoman
If the Mayans were so friggin’ brilliant, why can’t you find them anymore?

They got destroyed after they implemented mandatory health care. The government witch doctor and death panels prescribed a large amount of human sacrifice and people decided to abandon their leaders....

18 posted on 12/23/2009 7:42:37 PM PST by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: 2banana

The Mayans were doing very well for themselves if you’ve ever seen there works. I did while I worked at Tikal. Fascinating structures.

Re Mayan toilets. Now I know what that hole was for - a chultun. Always thought it was for storage. Get that was ancient Mayan poo I stepped in that day.

You want to flush something? Watch a monsoon flush the jungle. There was dry jungle one day. The next day it was a foot deep at the bottom of a 1/4 mile hill. Got trench foot and dysentary from it.

Never wear blue jeans in the jungle. Will give you a rash that would need a blowtorch to dry out.


19 posted on 12/23/2009 7:42:52 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: SunkenCiv

:-D )))

I devoutly hope the latter weren’t feeding the former.


20 posted on 12/23/2009 7:45:55 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: my small voice

The toilets in Mexico STILL do not work!


21 posted on 12/23/2009 7:46:07 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: SunkenCiv

The Minoans on Crete had real, not imaginary flush toilets several thousand years before.


22 posted on 12/23/2009 7:51:50 PM PST by yarddog
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To: SunkenCiv

Maya Basket for Toilet Paper


23 posted on 12/23/2009 7:54:12 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: SunkenCiv

Is this where evil white men got the idea for gold plumbing? Since they didn’t have any kind of decent utilitarian metalurgy; and since stone and clay will only take you so far. are they suggesting...?


24 posted on 12/23/2009 8:27:22 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: ApplegateRanch
Ancient Mayans Likely Had Fountains and Toilets

So did they put one and the other together and get a New World bidet?
25 posted on 12/23/2009 8:28:55 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Nachoman
If the Mayans were so friggin’ brilliant, why can’t you find them anymore?

Have you traveled to the Maya Mountains in Belize? Or ventured over the borders into Guatemala and Mexico? If you're so friggin' brilliant you'd know there are tens of thousands of Mayans still living peacefully in those and other areas. They had the brains to escape the corrupt rulers of the old city-states and let them rot. Unfortunately, in our time and country we haven't reached the same state of enlightenment.

26 posted on 12/23/2009 8:37:44 PM PST by Bernard Marx (I don’t trust the reasoning of anyone who writes then when they mean than.)
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To: aruanan

Between Native Americans, Sub-Sharan Africans, ancient Indians, Muslims, and Russian Communists, Western white men seemingly didn’t invent nor discover, nor build, nor write anything original.

Don’t believe me; just ask any Russian Communist, Arab, Muslim, Aztláner, fundamentalist Hindu, African-American, or Democrat.


27 posted on 12/23/2009 8:38:22 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Nachoman

You can. It is a much reduced but living culture.


28 posted on 12/23/2009 9:11:34 PM PST by Psalm 144 (What did you think NEW WORLD ORDER meant? The Constitution? States' rights? Individual liberty?)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Between Native Americans, Sub-Sharan Africans, ancient Indians, Muslims, and Russian Communists, Western white men seemingly didn’t invent nor discover, nor build, nor write anything original.

Don’t believe me; just ask any Russian Communist, Arab, Muslim, Aztláner, fundamentalist Hindu, African-American, or Democrat.


We invented the cool stuff though. Cavalry, horse archery, chain mail, legions, the pilum, the Danish axe, the longbow, the machine gun, the sub machine gun, barbed wire, mustard gas, internal combustion engines, aeroplanes, tanks, destroyers, dreadnoughts, submarines and spiked helmets to list off just a few things.

We kick ass. Thats what we do.


29 posted on 12/23/2009 9:19:54 PM PST by Psalm 144 (What did you think NEW WORLD ORDER meant? The Constitution? States' rights? Individual liberty?)
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To: Psalm 144
...the sub machine gun ...spiked helmets....

And motorcycles with sidecars, to ride wearing said helmets, and firing said submachine guns.

Yeeeee-HAW!

30 posted on 12/23/2009 9:44:57 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: SunkenCiv

FWIW... I have traveled the remnants of ancient Rome, Egypt, Greece and Central America. But nothing - and I mean nothing - prepared me for the Inca ruins in Peru. I will forever be in awe.


31 posted on 12/23/2009 9:51:47 PM PST by Lando Lincoln (Gee, it looks like climate change was man-made after all!)
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To: Lando Lincoln; SunkenCiv
CONDUCTING WATER

PART I System Maps - Phoenix/ Lambayeque/ Chicama/ Earthen canals - Pueblogrande/ Taymi/ Apurlec/ Ascope / Pacherrez /Huari Rock-cut canal - Cumbemayo Lined canals - Intervalley/ Raqchi/ Yucay/ Tipon PART II Fossilized canals – Tehuacan/ Moctezuma Aqueducts - Ascope/ Intervalley/ Piquillakta / Tipon Tunnels - Ibarra/ Mira Related structures: Spills – Ascope/ Intervalley Erosion protection - Intervalley Secondary canal – Intervalley Field canals – Chan Chan

32 posted on 12/23/2009 10:43:39 PM PST by Fred Nerks
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To: ApplegateRanch
Don’t believe me; just ask any Russian Communist, Arab, Muslim, Aztláner, fundamentalist Hindu, African-American, or Democrat.

Tribalists always resent Western technological society all the while they greedily suck its teats.
33 posted on 12/24/2009 5:29:29 AM PST by aruanan
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To: SunkenCiv
"scientists now suggest"

Previously confirmed:

1,Flat Earth

2.Global Cooling

3.Earth Center of Universe

Etc Etc Etc

34 posted on 12/24/2009 5:54:16 AM PST by litehaus (A memory tooooo longt A)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Take heart my FRiend!

It will be forever enshrined in the annals of HISTORY (due to its nomenclature) that the FLUSH toilet mechanism known as a ballcock (I kid you NOT!) was invented in London, by a White European Male named THOMAS CRAPPER.

REAL History is so much more FUN than phony, PC stuff, dontcha know! LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Crapper


35 posted on 12/24/2009 6:09:45 AM PST by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: left that other site

bttt


36 posted on 12/24/2009 6:18:00 AM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Thanks for the btt!
Merry Christmas!


37 posted on 12/24/2009 6:34:48 AM PST by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: SunkenCiv

I wonder if any proof exist as to who built the toilets and fountains. Illegal aliens and other miscreants are trying to take over the once free USA. If they succeed, the history will be rewrote and they will take credit for all the good things in this Country.


38 posted on 12/24/2009 6:58:34 AM PST by seemoAR (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, dazzle them with bull.)
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To: seemoAR

That is why they call it HIS STORY!


39 posted on 12/27/2009 7:00:07 AM PST by Radix (Obama represents CHAINS for posterity.)
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To: Radix

The victors write his story. :0)


40 posted on 12/27/2009 7:56:25 AM PST by seemoAR (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, dazzle them with bull.)
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To: SunkenCiv

“scientists say”?

is this like “some say”?

perhaps this is the same scientist who says it is possible to yodel on the moon in a vacuum.


41 posted on 12/27/2009 8:05:08 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Porterville; SunkenCiv

Aztecs and Myans...two different civilizations.

“If dolphins are so smart, why do they live in igloos?”


42 posted on 12/27/2009 8:07:02 AM PST by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: longtermmemmory
I like the once scientific fact of “spontaneous generation” myself.
43 posted on 12/27/2009 11:28:38 AM PST by seemoAR (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, dazzle them with bull.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Heh heh... did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?


44 posted on 12/27/2009 6:01:02 PM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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To: longtermmemmory

If you yodel on the Moon, successfully, in a vacuum, do you then shout, “Eureka!” ?


45 posted on 12/27/2009 6:06:21 PM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Christ. Seven years of college down the drain. Might as well join the f@#$ing Peace Corps.
46 posted on 12/28/2009 12:55:28 PM PST by colorado tanker (What's it all about, Barrrrry? Is it just for the power, you live?)
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To: colorado tanker

:’) Even better is the line from throwaway movie “Maid to Order” — “I didn’t spend six years in junior college to...”


47 posted on 12/28/2009 7:07:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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To: SunkenCiv
throwaway movie “Maid to Order”

Never saw it, but remember it. When I first heard the title, I thought, how the heck did a porno movie land in mainstream theaters??

48 posted on 12/29/2009 10:24:54 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

It has a Grand Rapids joke in it, so...


49 posted on 12/30/2009 8:28:21 PM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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To: SunkenCiv
The key was to not mistake one for the other.

- What's the difference between a fountain and a toilet?

- I don't know.

- Then you're not visiting my garden!

50 posted on 01/02/2010 3:09:30 AM PST by Lonely Bull
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