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Orly Taitz - Motion to Transfer Carter Case to Judge Lamberth in Washington DC
American Grand Jury ^ | December 26th, 2009

Posted on 12/26/2009 4:27:01 AM PST by Man50D

AGJ comment: we spilt the Motion up into the key parts so our readers could quickly see what Orly is asking Judge Carter to agree to.

AGJ comment: The US Attorneys representing Obama said Carter could not hear the case BECAUSE of Jurisdiction. They maintained that only a court in Washington DC could hear the case because Obama resided in Washington. Orly agreed! — Wow!

AGJ comment: Bottom line, Orly made a brilliant move. By agreeing to what Obama’s Attorneys argued for they cannot now go back on their request. Orly in effect called their bluff. Now the case should rightfully move to Washington DC. If Judge Carter tries to deny the Motion he will lose complete credibility with the court and be subject to appeal — If Carter rules in favor of the Motion it is an important win for our side — Obama is still in the “hot seat” and Orly deserves a lot of credit for hanging in there — In our humble opinion.

One Response to “Orly Taitz - Motion to Transfer Carter Case to Judge Lamberth in Washington DC”

1. French Canadian Says: December 26th, 2009 at 3:34 am

Go Orly, go! This is one tenacious woman!

“Victory belongs to the most persevering”. Napoleon Bonaparte.


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To: LucyT
Thanks, circumbendibus. Apparently this is an important announcement since pests are frantically posting negative comments to anyone wishing to uphold the U.S. Constitution.

Yup. I've heard all the negative comments. Phone calls don't work. Emails don't work. Faxes don't work. Attending town hall meetings is a waste of time. Attending tea party rallies is a waste of time. Filing lawsuits against BO in order to uphold the Constitution is ludicrous. Serving grand jury Presentments against BO and Pelosi in order to uphold the Constitution is foolish!

If all those who are actually doing something to reverse the socialist takeover of the country bothered to heed the combined negativity of the self defeatists then health care, Cap and tax, Amnesty for illegal aliens, just to mention a few pieces of socialist legislation, would have passed a long time ago.
51 posted on 12/26/2009 4:50:03 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Man50D
Filing lawsuits against BO in order to uphold the Constitution is ludicrous. Serving grand jury Presentments against BO and Pelosi in order to uphold the Constitution is foolish!

It is ludicrous and foolish when the only Constitutional violations regarding Obama's eligibility are in the delusional imaginations of unhinged cranks, --unhinged cranks who are trying to co-opt conservatism as a platform for their baseless (and quite silly) conspiracy theories.

52 posted on 12/26/2009 5:19:04 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68
—unhinged cranks who are trying to co-opt conservatism as a platform for their baseless (and quite silly) conspiracy theories.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Where's the conspiracy?

Certain citizens have asked Obama for a **few** key documents. Some have asked the courts to examine and rule on Obmaa’s natural born status with regard to his father who was here on a short-term student visa. These requests are documented and court recorded. ( No conspiracy here.)

Obama has flat out done everything possible to see that these documents are withheld. FACT! ( No conspiracy here.)

However....An honest man would be **HONORED** to prove in a prompt and “transparent” manner in **every** was possible that he was indeed a natural born citizen and eligible to be president. He would do this for **any** citizen,...even the NUTZ!

FACT: Obama has not done this. ( No conspiracy there.) So?...What do his actions have to say about his honor and honesty?

By the way...This issue is NOT going away. Jimminybob, no siree! ...NO, NO, NO!

More than 51% of Republicans do not even believe Obama was born in the U.S. More than 30% of all American voters too. That's a **LOT** of people! And...Those numbers will grow as the economy tanks further. This percentages would be higher still if those who merely doubted Obama’s eligibility were added to the total.

THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY FOR REPUBLICANS TO TIP TOE AROUND OR IGNORE THIS STINKING DEAD CARCASS OF AN ELEPHANT BLOCKING THE ROAD TO ELECTION! All those people with doubts and concerns about Obama’s eligibility can't possibly be “unhinged cranks”.

By the way...You are plagiarizing Ann Coulter she was the first to call those with doubts about Obama “cranks”.

53 posted on 12/26/2009 5:50:12 PM PST by wintertime
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To: woofie
I wonder how much he was paid to write this? With the TARP slush fund at the disposal of the Democraps ( as well as Soros) it could be a LOT!

By the way....For MONTHS I have been posting that the Obama bootlickers were using the “nutz” half of the “Nutz and Slutz” attack ( used to great effect during the Clinton years). I figured they were digging through every trash can in California looking of anything that would pin the “slutz” half on Orly.

I see you have a sensitive nose for this stuff.

54 posted on 12/26/2009 6:00:32 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Man50D
Please read post #53.
55 posted on 12/26/2009 6:01:41 PM PST by wintertime
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To: rxsid

it took a bit more than two years before Watergate forced Nixon to resign.
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It took a good long time for the truth to come out about Clinton as well. And...He was impeached. Too bad the Republicans caved and didn’t convict.


56 posted on 12/26/2009 6:04:15 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Man50D

Amazing, simply amazing.


57 posted on 12/26/2009 6:19:53 PM PST by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Look in the miror you are the definition of ass-holll!


58 posted on 12/26/2009 6:21:07 PM PST by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: Drew68
It is ludicrous and foolish when the only Constitutional violations regarding Obama's eligibility are in the delusional imaginations of unhinged cranks, --unhinged cranks who are trying to co-opt conservatism as a platform for their baseless (and quite silly) conspiracy theories.

Pick, target,isolate and attack a target. Your strategy sounds familiar.
59 posted on 12/26/2009 6:50:32 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: wintertime
Please read post #53.

BINGO!!!
60 posted on 12/26/2009 6:51:49 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: All

JB Williams
Canada Free Press

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999

(snip)
Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.

(snip)
But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.

(snip)
Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.

(Snip)
Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. It’s the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.

(Snip)
WHO WILL SAVE FREEDOM?
A brave few… This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how it will be.

(Snip)
DR. ORLY TAITZ, Phil Berg and Gary Kreep, ALL OF WHOM HAVE MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP.

(Snip)
A PRECIOUS FEW, BUT THEY EXIST… and the walls are indeed closing in on Obama and his evil cabal. IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FAIL TO GET BEHIND THESE BRAVE FEW WHO ARE SEEKING PEACEFUL REDRESS, ALL THE PEACEFUL OPTIONS WILL EVAPORATE AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED. WE WILL RETURN TO A PRE-1776 AMERICA OVERNIGHT..

Do YOU fear Obama?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999

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A precious few, indeed. Lets get behind those few brave patriots who are out there in the trenches every day working to prove Obama’s inelgibility:

Dr. Orly has put her life’s blood into this fight. SHE HAS MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP FROM COWARDLY REPUBLICANS AND THE SCOTUS.

Dr. Orly is the ONLY one out there in the trenches EVERY day hitting Obama on multiple fronts and trying to bring him down. It is reported that she is more than $8,000 in debt from using her own funds for expenses in her flights across the U.S for interviews, speeches, serving papers and meeting with officials.

She has even gone to Isreal and Russia to spread the message about Obama’s inelgibility!

She states the case expertly, including the bc and natural born citizen aspect, when not abused by the U.S. state-controlled media. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132880

Sure, Dr. Orly makes mistakes. We all do. But Dr. Orly is no dummy. How many of us could go to a foreign country, learn 5 languages, establish a successful dental practice, a successful real estate business AND pass the California state bar- one of the hardest in the U.S. to pass?
She may be a ‘mail order’ attorney and not a Harvard lawyer, but she IS an attorney with all the rights and privilages of a Harvard lawyer nevertheless!
The point is; she has the passion, the zeal, the courage of her convictions and the love of America and its freedoms (unlike many of our ‘great’ attorneys and ‘patriots’ who criticize her) that will not let her give up!
She is exhausted. She is nervous. She is frustrated. It is reported that she gets by on 4-5 hours of sleep per night, and her family is very worried about her health- as well as her safety.
She makes mistakes. But she will NOT give up. She will keep on until she gets it right.

So let’s get behind this great little Russian refugee and great American patriot.
Stop tearing her apart. The Obots on FR don’t need our help.
The obots are scared to death of this little lady and her determination. That’s why they come out in droves all over the net on forums, chat rooms and even the national news to attack and ridicule.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcChG5pRTOE&feature=player_embedded


61 posted on 12/26/2009 7:47:21 PM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: LucyT
Yes, you've got us pegged. LOL.

The minute Obama heard that Orly Taitz was making one more in an apparently infinite series of boneheaded plays no competent lawyer takes seriously, he flew into a panic and dispatched us to Free Republic, where the fate of his Presidency hangs in the balance.

And while you're lugging around that Penguin Dictionary of Psychology, how about looking up the word delusion? Honestly, people, at this point Orly's track record speaks for itself. I mean, sure, maybe a beaker full of lime Jello and some after dinner mints is the key to cold fusion, but sane people don't bet on it.

62 posted on 12/26/2009 8:45:53 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: patriot08
She is grossly and obviously incompetent, at a level demonstrating no real understanding of the issues she's adjudicating. She cannot do anything but harm to her cause.

Would you have had us rush to rally behind Custer at the Little Big Horn simply because he wasn't afraid and showed determination?

63 posted on 12/26/2009 8:49:57 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative

Go back to DU.
You’re not making any headway here.
We’re on to the Obots here.


64 posted on 12/26/2009 8:51:27 PM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: patriot08

I hate to be blunt, but I don’t think you’re on to much of anything. But if delusion comforts you, be my guest.


65 posted on 12/26/2009 8:53:54 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: GBA
But...Orly? Have you ever thought that we've already seen her best game?

Instead of sarcastic remarks, have you seen others out there to step up to the plate???

66 posted on 12/26/2009 9:30:12 PM PST by danamco
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To: danamco

Not stepping up to this particular plate is a sign of wisdom.


67 posted on 12/26/2009 9:48:39 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Drew68
a platform for their baseless (and quite silly) conspiracy theories.

A simple question, honestly, - is the usurper's dual citizenship a silly conspiracy theory?

Is to follow and demands the Constitution's presidential requirements a silly conspiracy??

Is the biggest political scandal and voter fraud quite silly conspiracy theories???

68 posted on 12/26/2009 9:51:11 PM PST by danamco
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To: danamco
“A simple question, honestly, - is the usurper's dual citizenship a silly conspiracy theory?”

As it legally stands now—yep.

“Is to follow and demands the Constitution's presidential requirements a silly conspiracy??”

Legitimate ones, no. This two-citizen parent stuff (which all legal authorities knew Obama didn't meet before the election) — double yep.

“Is the biggest political scandal and voter fraud quite silly conspiracy theories???”

As yep as it gets. Pure paranoid conspiracy nonsense.

69 posted on 12/26/2009 11:25:50 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Non-Sequitur
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein. "

I guess if Thomas Edison had listen to you and Albert ( not always right you know ) Einstein, then, Thomas Edison would have never experimented over 6000 !!! with a carbon filament until he got it right.... and those who have persisted in great achievements would have just given up upon your great ( failed ) wisdom...
70 posted on 12/27/2009 1:41:29 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Non-Sequitur
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein. " .....

What is good for the goose is good for the gander, I think you need to take your own ( failed ) advise, because, your deliberate attempt to demoralize us into giving up and expecting results, is, well ? insane...

Ohh yeah ? BTW ? Thomas Edison was insanely brilliant ....
71 posted on 12/27/2009 1:49:08 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: American Constitutionalist

““The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” - Albert Einstein. “

I guess if Thomas Edison had listen to you and Albert ( not always right you know ) Einstein, then, Thomas Edison would have never experimented over 6000 !!! with a carbon filament until he got it right.... and those who have persisted in great achievements would have just given up upon your great ( failed ) wisdom...”

Well, actually, Edison didn’t run the exact same failed experiment thousands of times. That would have been insane. He was varying the parameters, which is what science does.


72 posted on 12/27/2009 2:06:28 AM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Seizethecarp
For Orly to try to get DC Circuit to re-litigate the non-quo warranto part of the case with all of the military plaintifs all over on a transfer would appear to be blatant forum shopping.

She can't re-litigate, forum shop or resurrect any part of Barnett v. Obama, including Quo Warranto, which was specifically dismissed by Judge Carter in Part C of his October 29 order, Pages 25-26. The only recourse she has is an appeal in the 9th Circuit, and her chances of winning on appeal are non-existent, given the pathetic quality of her case, her non-existent legal skills, and the fact that her appeal (if she manages to file one) will most likely be joined to that of Kreep's, whom she detests as a rival.

If she wants to file Quo Warranto, she needs to do so as a new case (which the DOJ also argued) but, as Carter wrote, "Should a person other than the Attorney General of the United States or the United States Attorney wish to bring a quo warranto claim, that person must receive leave of court to do so. D.C. Code §§ 16-3502. This leave of court must be granted, according to the text of the statute, by the District Court for the District of Columbia."

And, as Carter noted, "The Complaint recognizes that the District of Columbia would be the appropriate district in which to bring this writ, but alleges that bringing this request to the United States District Court for the District of Columbia would be futile because the United States Attorney is biased and Judge Robertson within that district had already rejected a similar case in which President Obama’s qualifications were challenged. Compl. ¶¶ 32 - 35."

So, in effect, he told Orly to follow the law and go bang her head against the DC court's wall, which she doesn't want to do.

73 posted on 12/27/2009 2:35:47 AM PST by browardchad ("Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own fact." - Daniel P Moynihan)
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To: tired_old_conservative; American Constitutionalist

It is worth keeping in mind the words of U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall when he wrote in Cohens v. Virginia 19 US 264 (1821):

“It is most true that this Court will not take jurisdiction if it should not: but it is equally true, that it must take jurisdiction if it should. The judiciary cannot, as the legislature may, avoid a measure because it approaches the confines of the constitution. We cannot pass it by because it is doubtful. With whatever doubts, with whatever difficulties, a case may be attended, we must decide it, if it be brought before us. We have no more right to decline the exercise of jurisdiction which is given, than to usurp that which is not given. The one or the other would be treason to the constitution. Questions may occur which we would gladly avoid; but we cannot avoid them. All we can do is, to exercise our best judgment, and conscientiously to perform our duty. In doing this, on the present occasion, we find this tribunal invested with appellate jurisdiction in all cases arising under the constitution and laws of the United States. We find no exception to this grant, and we cannot insert one.”


74 posted on 12/27/2009 6:09:44 AM PST by danamco
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To: Man50D
What is your alternative for his violation of the Constitution? Sit back and do nothing?

Well, they have these things called elections, at regularly scheduled intervals. Rather than being a political Walter Mitty, sitting holding your wife's purse and dreaming grandiose dreams, you could get involved in retail politics.

Run for precinct chair. Read up on election law. Real election law, not something Orly has anything to do with, and volunteer for the Republican Ballot Security Committee in your area. Take a couple of days off work, and serve as a poll watcher during early voting. Volunteer to help the Republican sign committee, or the committee that transports elderly/handicapped voters to the polls. And if those commutates don't exist in your neck of the woods, organize one, and recruit some volunteers.

Helping Orly Taitz isn't a serious act -- period. It is like helping Walter Mitty go out and buy a P51, and ranting that the Feds are part of a gigantic conspiracy to save the Luftwaffe from Walter Mitty, because he can't figure out how to get the BATF to allow him purchase 8 Browning .50 machine guns, and the FAA says he can't install them even if he buys them.

Freepers! Don't be Walter Mitty. Get involved and do something useful.

75 posted on 12/27/2009 6:43:58 AM PST by Pilsner
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To: browardchad
“So, in effect, he told Orly to follow the law and go bang her head against the DC court's wall, which she doesn't want to do.”

Thanks for the more detailed explanation and confirmation of my impressions.

Her only plaintiff with possible quo warranto standing seems to be Alan Keyes. Orly seems to be incapable of framing a proper legal filing that a judge can rule on and then she insults the judge when he calls her on it. She needs to step back and refer Keyes to competent local DC counsel for the quo warranto.

For the 9th Circuit appeal, I hope she defers entirely to experienced appeals counsel who could argue the part of the case involving only Keyes where Judge Carter viewed the decision as so evenly balanced that he “hadn't made up his mind” even after the Oct 5 hearing.

76 posted on 12/27/2009 8:26:28 AM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Pilsner
Well, they have these things called elections, at regularly scheduled intervals.

Voters don't vote in a general election on the Constitutional requirements for a person to become President because a general election doesn't address the eligibility of a person to become President. They can only vote for candidates on the ballot.

Run for precinct chair. Read up on election law. Real election law, not something Orly has anything to do with, and volunteer for the Republican Ballot Security Committee in your area. Take a couple of days off work, and serve as a poll watcher during early voting. Volunteer to help the Republican sign committee, or the committee that transports elderly/handicapped voters to the polls. And if those commutates don't exist in your neck of the woods, organize one, and recruit some volunteers.

None of this resolves someone who has violated the Constitution to occupy in the Oval office. Only a legal action can specifically address the eligibility issue. Your suggestion is the political version of burying your head in the sand.

Helping Orly Taitz isn't a serious act -- period. It is like helping Walter Mitty go out and buy a P51, and ranting that the Feds are part of a gigantic conspiracy to save the Luftwaffe from Walter Mitty, because he can't figure out how to get the BATF to allow him purchase 8 Browning .50 machine guns, and the FAA says he can't install them even if he buys them.

It doesn't get anymore serious than upholding the Constitution when someone or some people usurp it for their own political agenda at the expense of our freedoms. Failing to address this fundamental issue will only serve to empower those who wish to destroy the Constitution.

This could have been and still can be easily resolved by BO merely producing his birth certificate to prove he is a natural born citizen per Article 1 Section 2.
77 posted on 12/27/2009 8:27:41 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: tired_old_conservative
Motion to Recuse the Honorable Judge Clay D. Land ( latest from Orly Taitz) Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:07:39 PM · 245 of 454 tired_old_conservative to Drew68 Have read this site, but never posted before, so I guess I'll just expect all the RINO and worse accusations even though I've never voted Democratic in my life.

Kind of fascinating to watch this as a lawyer myself. There's just such fundamental misunderstanding of what the court system is and how it works.

Imagine a chemical manufacturing plant. It's not designed to take in just any old feed stock. It can only do a limited number of things for obvious reasons. As you try and broaden the scope of what can be input and still get your product, your plant becomes so large, so expensive, and so complex that it's simply not viable to operate.

Courts are the same way. They're not Soloman or Judge Judy just letting anyone come in to bicker in front of them. They are designed to handle specific types of issues/ideas in conflict, framed in specific ways to be amenable to processing. Just like the chemical plant described above takes only certain feedstocks. That's why lawyers spend so much time in school. They have to be experts in what types of issues/ideas can be meaningfully presented to a court. Same as the engineers in that chemical processing plant are experts in what their process can actually do.

It's obvious that Orly is in way over her head. Based on the filings she's made in this case, she is incompetent. If she was an equivalent engineer running that chemical plant, it would blow up and kill people. Conservatives are supposed to value competence and hard-earned skill. Judge Land is a conservative Republican from Georgia. His decisions have been legally correct, and they are obviously so to anyone competent in the subject matter. To be so emotionally invested in this doomed case that Land is automatically a traiterous fool simply for issuing correct legal opinions is to willfully embrace delusion.

Lawyers are trained to be objective about fact and procedure. Orly seems incapable of either. Her filings in this case are not professional. They are no more than garden variety, pissed off, end-of-the-bar ravings. They are laughable (or cringe worthy) to any competent attorney not blinded by wishful ideology. She's going down hard, and she deserves it. The courts have an important role in our society, and they don't have the time or the resources to waste on ravings.

If you want to hope she succeeds, by all means do so. But please try not to become so invested in Orly Taitz that when her inevitable failure occurs, you denigrate the court system of this wonderful country for properly doing its job.

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tired_old_"conservative"(?) = the "AFTER-BIRTHER."

Since you joined in October you have NOT contributed to anything that resembles a Conservative here on F.R., except for a 24/7-monitoring and jumping in to dispute - (disrupting/spamming tactics aka Alinsky/Cloward-Piven strategy) - toward anyone who have brought up Dr. Orly Taitz and your pal, - the illegal alien and usurper's, - B.C. and other sealed records, or mentioned the Constitution's requirements. You have posted 205 times, in less that three (3) months ONLY on this subject, NOTHING else!

You have not shown any more to be a Conservative than my white cat "Snowman"!!

As a "lawyer" yourself and the way you have been posting there is no doubt that you are a planted mole under the disguise of being a 'Conservative"(?) You are definitely getting your orders from the W.H. counsel Bob Baur (the husband of "MAO" Anita Dunn) together with a handful other "employed" that shows up here 24/7. The W.H. must be proud of you!!!

78 posted on 12/27/2009 12:43:38 PM PST by danamco
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To: danamco
Well, this subject is of interest to me. I honestly find it very depressing, because I think conservatism's chances of returning to power are damaged by this type of nonsense. There are conservative principles cited in the thread you dredged up, and I've actually provided a detailed philosophical list of conservative principles at one point. I don't consider moaning about Obama’s birth certificate to be one of them.

I guess I should post about health care some, but I've considered it a foregone conclusion for months that the Democrats will pass something without the name “public option”, all this carrying on amongst them notwithstanding. Wrote letters to my Democratic representative that I'm sure were ignored. Alas, elections do have consequences. That's why it would be nice to win the next one, a goal this birther stuff isn't helping.

I certainly stand by that post you dredged up. It's both lucid and polite, and doesn't presume that parroting the name Alinsky makes me clever.

“As a “lawyer” yourself and the way you have been posting there is no doubt that you are a planted mole under the disguise of being a ‘Conservative”(?) You are definitely getting your orders from the W.H. counsel Bob Baur (the husband of “MAO” Anita Dunn) together with a handful other “employed” that shows up here 24/7. The W.H. must be proud of you!!!”

This kind of stuff both fascinates and depresses me. Do you really believe it? Do you really think anyone in the White House gives a flip what is on these threads, let alone is paying people to monitor them and offer comments? I'm just standing up for rationality. Conservative rationality in particular.

By the way, is that MAO supposed to be the actual Mao, or is it another one of those secret hand shakes you guys have?

79 posted on 12/27/2009 1:17:41 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Non-Sequitur
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein.

Albert dealt with a universe full of constants.

Political environments are ones in which there is either a grounding in moral absolutes or constant change. Because of the latter, no experiment can be completely duplicated, especially in a court.

80 posted on 12/27/2009 1:40:35 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: GBA
...so far she has been a gift to obama.

Not really. She has introduced the wedge of doubt to the cracks in the facade of Hope and Change, and hammered on it relentlessly.

Anyone who stops and thinks, who did not buy the factcheck images, wonders what he has to hide, or why else he would not release the documents.

Ericksonian Hypnosis only works in the absence of critical thinking, and the more people who examine obama's statements, policies, etc., the less people like what they see.

No gift there, but the essence of his undoing, imo.

81 posted on 12/27/2009 1:45:52 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: All

JB Williams
Canada Free Press

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999

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Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.

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But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.

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Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.

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Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. It’s the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.

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WHO WILL SAVE FREEDOM?
A brave few… This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how it will be.

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DR. ORLY TAITZ, Phil Berg and Gary Kreep, ALL OF WHOM HAVE MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP.

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A PRECIOUS FEW, BUT THEY EXIST… and the walls are indeed closing in on Obama and his evil cabal. IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FAIL TO GET BEHIND THESE BRAVE FEW WHO ARE SEEKING PEACEFUL REDRESS, ALL THE PEACEFUL OPTIONS WILL EVAPORATE AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED. WE WILL RETURN TO A PRE-1776 AMERICA OVERNIGHT..

Do YOU fear Obama?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999

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A precious few, indeed. Lets get behind those few brave patriots who are out there in the trenches every day working to prove Obama’s inelgibility:

Dr. Orly has put her life’s blood into this fight. SHE HAS MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP FROM COWARDLY REPUBLICANS AND THE SCOTUS.

Dr. Orly is the ONLY one out there in the trenches EVERY day hitting Obama on multiple fronts and trying to bring him down. It is reported that she is more than $8,000 in debt from using her own funds for expenses in her flights across the U.S for interviews, speeches, serving papers and meeting with officials.

She has even gone to Isreal and Russia to spread the message about Obama’s inelgibility!

She states the case expertly, including the bc and natural born citizen aspect, when not abused by the U.S. state-controlled media. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132880

Sure, Dr. Orly makes mistakes. We all do. But Dr. Orly is no dummy. How many of us could go to a foreign country, learn 5 languages, establish a successful dental practice, a successful real estate business AND pass the California state bar- one of the hardest in the U.S. to pass?
She may be a ‘mail order’ attorney and not a Harvard lawyer, but she IS an attorney with all the rights and privilages of a Harvard lawyer nevertheless!
The point is; she has the passion, the zeal, the courage of her convictions and the love of America and its freedoms (unlike many of our ‘great’ attorneys and ‘patriots’ who criticize her) that will not let her give up!
She is exhausted. She is nervous. She is frustrated. It is reported that she gets by on 4-5 hours of sleep per night, and her family is very worried about her health- as well as her safety.
She makes mistakes. But she will NOT give up. She will keep on until she gets it right.

So let’s get behind this great little Russian refugee and great American patriot.
Stop tearing her apart. The Obots on FR don’t need our help.
The obots are scared to death of this little lady and her determination. That’s why they come out in droves all over the net on forums, chat rooms and even the national news to attack and ridicule.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcChG5pRTOE&feature=player_embedded


82 posted on 12/27/2009 5:24:42 PM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: tired_old_conservative
This kind of stuff both fascinates and depresses me. Do you really believe it? Do you really think anyone in the White House gives a flip what is on these threads, let alone is paying people to monitor them and offer comments? I'm just standing up for rationality. Conservative rationality in particular.

WOW, it only took you a half an hour to author your lame excuse, however, proving that you are on stand-by 24/7 of the time to dispute threads on this subject ONLY that you constantly are doing, and absolutely NOTHING on other important Conservative issues!

During the primaries the Hillary's PUMA.com girls exposed the Soetoro's campaign IT infiltrators to act like Hillary supporters, but posting on different blogs stabbing her in the bag. And the gals were fuming mad like hell!!

They did that exactly the same way that you have spamming here on the usurper issues and your 206 postings is enough evidence for us to see your positive Soetoro agenda, and you know it!!!

83 posted on 12/27/2009 9:46:06 PM PST by danamco
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To: danamco
“They did that exactly the same way that you have spamming here on the usurper issues and your 206 postings is enough evidence for us to see your positive Soetoro agenda, and you know it!!!”

No, I don't.

Lighten up, Francis.

84 posted on 12/27/2009 10:56:47 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: American Constitutionalist
What is good for the goose is good for the gander, I think you need to take your own ( failed ) advise, because, your deliberate attempt to demoralize us into giving up and expecting results, is, well ? insane...

Except that I am under no misconceptions where Birthers are concerned. Nothing I say will change your minds so I know better than to try.

Ohh yeah ? BTW ? Thomas Edison was insanely brilliant ....

When Thomas Edison worked on the light bulb he tried over 200 different materials for the element. He didn't try the same element 200 times. That's the difference between brilliance and insanity.

85 posted on 12/28/2009 5:49:10 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: American Constitutionalist
I guess if Thomas Edison had listen to you and Albert ( not always right you know ) Einstein, then, Thomas Edison would have never experimented over 6000 !!! with a carbon filament until he got it right.... and those who have persisted in great achievements would have just given up upon your great ( failed ) wisdom...

Again, that's 6000 different elements. Not 6000 tries with the same material hoping for different results.

86 posted on 12/28/2009 5:50:29 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: rodguy911
Look in the miror you are the definition of ass-holll!

And if you look in the mirror you'll see the definition of a Birthern moron.

87 posted on 12/28/2009 5:51:22 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: woofie

There is no question that Lincoln and Taitz had a working relationship which ended acrimoniously. Speculation on any personal relationship is irrelevant so far as I’m concerned.


88 posted on 12/28/2009 6:02:58 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: patriot08
But Dr. Orly is no dummy.

She's no lawyer either.

89 posted on 12/28/2009 6:05:07 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: danamco
Instead of sarcastic remarks, have you seen others out there to step up to the plate???

And doesn't the fact that no competent and reputable lawyer will step up to that plate tell you something?

90 posted on 12/28/2009 6:07:12 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: manonCANAL
Let’s all support Dr. Orly and join oathkeepers.com

We also need to all get involved in our state's nullification movement http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com which, thanks to the Rats ramming "healthcare" down our throats has been growing by leaps and bounds of late. Individual states have the constitutional right to resist federal law that is against their own state constitutions.

If your state doesn't have its own nullification movement, it's time to get moving!!!

91 posted on 12/28/2009 7:42:23 AM PST by thecraw (God allows evil. God allowed Barry to usurp the highest office in the land. God will not be mocked.)
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To: Man50D
Only a legal action can specifically address the eligibility issue. Your suggestion is the political version of burying your head in the sand.

Good luck with that legal action. You will need it, until the Constitution is revised to give the Courts the powers to remove the President of the United State from office.

Who is it again that does have the power to remove the President from office? The Commissioner of Major League baseball? No. The Kiwanis Club? No. The Congress? Yeah. The United States Congress has, under the United States Constitution, exclusive power to remove the President of the United States from office.

And yet you claim that actually trying to win elections and change the make up of the Congress is, how did you put it? the political version of burying your head in the sand.

As I said, good luck with that legal action, and good luck as Walter Mitty's wingman. I hope the two of you knock down a bunch of Messerschmitts.

92 posted on 12/28/2009 2:58:51 PM PST by Pilsner
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To: Non-Sequitur; patriot08
But Dr. Orly is no dummy.

She's no lawyer either.


But she is the love of Charles Lincoln's life.........

Love and the Law..... Charlie and Orly

Orly Taitz's Love Affair with the 2nd Amendment (And with a Guy)


93 posted on 01/02/2010 3:22:09 PM PST by deport (60 DAYS UNTIL THE TEXAS PRIMARY....... MARCH 2, 2010)
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To: Non-Sequitur

And he didn’t demand that the light bulb prove him wrong.


94 posted on 01/03/2010 11:46:17 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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