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Indian tribes buy back thousands of acres of land
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Posted on 12/27/2009 4:07:12 PM PST by JoeProBono

OMAHA, Neb.- Native American tribes tired of waiting for the U.S. government to honor centuries-old treaties are buying back land where their ancestors lived and putting it in federal trust.

Native Americans say the purchases will help protect their culture and way of life by preserving burial grounds and areas where sacred rituals are held. They also provide land for farming, timber and other efforts to make the tribes self-sustaining.....

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TOPICS: History; Outdoors
KEYWORDS: indian; jpb; nativeamericans; treaties; tribes

1 posted on 12/27/2009 4:07:12 PM PST by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

“They also provide land for farming, timber and other efforts to make the tribes self-sustaining.....”

Not to mention BILLIONS in gambling ...


2 posted on 12/27/2009 4:12:40 PM PST by jessduntno (I think "you'll get what you deserve" is a promise. A socialist thinks it is a threat.)
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To: JoeProBono

In the end, they might buy back the entire continental U.S. and where will we go?


3 posted on 12/27/2009 4:14:13 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: jessduntno

do they pay state property taxes?


4 posted on 12/27/2009 4:15:17 PM PST by GeronL (This is a tagline)
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To: jessduntno

If only more Americans would be as distrustful of the US Government, instead of trusting them with running healthcare.


5 posted on 12/27/2009 4:16:02 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: JoeProBono
Federal Trust??

Let the indians buy land the same way we do....in fee. AND THEY CAN'T HAVE IT UNTAXED. They are US citizens.

They've gotten away with an awful lot over the years because of our goodness. They followed the rules of "conquerer" when it suited them. They're like little sneaky kids...who don't want to do their chores. Too bad. They could have been great. Too lazy!!

6 posted on 12/27/2009 4:16:44 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Revolting cat!

Once gambling goes mainstream, the Indians will be back where they started from, hopefully with some more capital and the knowledge to grow it.

Socialism (tribal ownership/management) is not going to work any better for the Indians of today than it did for their ancestors.

Note that when a tribe of communal ownership Indians comes up against individuals in a free market nation, that which happened in the post-Pilgrim era will occur again.


7 posted on 12/27/2009 4:21:09 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Revolting cat!

8 posted on 12/27/2009 4:21:40 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

Given the fall of the dollar, wampum probably has some value these days.


9 posted on 12/27/2009 4:24:35 PM PST by edpc (Those Lefties just ain't right)
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To: GeronL

“do they pay state property taxes?”

No...not that I am awre of...they pay other taxes, but unless the property is OFF reservation land (hence the move to acquire more) their property is not taxed.


10 posted on 12/27/2009 4:25:27 PM PST by jessduntno (I think "you'll get what you deserve" is a promise. A socialist thinks it is a threat.)
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To: fish hawk

Hey Fish Hawk... I got several thousand acres of undisturbed land 42 miles west of the town of Klamath I’d like to sell you...


11 posted on 12/27/2009 4:26:42 PM PST by tubebender (Some minds are like concrete Thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: JoeProBono

Native American tribes tired of waiting for the U.S. government to honor centuries-old treaties are buying back land where their ancestors lived and putting it in federal trust.

Okay, the first part of the sentence sounds encouraging but the ending shows that some people never learn.


12 posted on 12/27/2009 4:28:42 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: GeronL

The Winnebago and the Rosebud tribes are all over this land puchasing push...presumably to make up for the fall off in RV and Sled sales during the downturn...


13 posted on 12/27/2009 4:28:48 PM PST by jessduntno (I think "you'll get what you deserve" is a promise. A socialist thinks it is a threat.)
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To: jessduntno

14 posted on 12/27/2009 4:31:40 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono
Nothing says "I love the land" like owning it.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

15 posted on 12/27/2009 4:38:12 PM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: JoeProBono

LOL... I stole that and eMailed it back to my wife...


16 posted on 12/27/2009 4:38:26 PM PST by tubebender (Some minds are like concrete Thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: jessduntno

I prefer that the tribes privately buy land than have the government condemn and steal to give to them. And for them to privately buy means there are private sellers willing to sell.
This is an ideal win-win.


17 posted on 12/27/2009 4:45:04 PM PST by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: tbw2
"I prefer that the tribes privately buy land than have the government condemn and steal to give to them. And for them to privately buy means there are private sellers willing to sell. This is an ideal win-win."

I'd be all for it, if they paid property taxes like everyone else...either we are in the reparations business or we aren't. I see no other term to use...it is neither religious or education based non-compliance...

18 posted on 12/27/2009 4:49:03 PM PST by jessduntno ("The system is working just as it should..." - Jan "The Man" Napolitano)
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To: freedomfiter2
Here in Alaska, some villages prevent members from selling their privately owned land. Selling the land is bad for village anyway that you look at it. I know Indians who don't own a vehicle, or much of anything; yet own 5-6 hundred acres and won't sell any of it. It is almost sacriligious to certain Indians; others sell all the land they get left to them ect.

I also know villages who don't have casinoes, Old grandma's that run the village say there won't be casinoes as long as they are in control. Same villages buy back land that has been sold off over the years to attempt to preserve their village, keep us Whites out for their own survival.

I know villages who lost all their land as late as 1940's to feds. The land is now BLM, Fed Park Land, ect. I could tell ya how they were driven off the land, Govt took all their kids and wouldn't give them back until Indians quit traditionally utilizing the land;;;alot of bad feelings still simmering against the govt over this. It would be much better for the govt to give the BLM lands back to Indians; let the Indians manage the lands.

I once had an Indian friend stay over. Have known this guy for years from another village 600 miles away. Back in 1997, he turned down 20 million over soveignty rights; I respect the heck outta him. He once told me that issue was the second most important thing he has done in his life. He said the first was preventing young members of his village from selling their lands.

I wish us Whites stood up to the Feds like the local Indians do around here. The feds don't want problems from Indians over it. We could learn a little from them backward Natives,,, if you know what I mean.

19 posted on 12/27/2009 4:57:41 PM PST by Eska
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To: Eska

As another Alaskan I too have seen that up here.


20 posted on 12/27/2009 5:06:45 PM PST by Eye of Unk (Phobos, kerdos, and doxa, said the Time Traveler. “Fear, self-interest, and honor.”)
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To: jessduntno

The U.S. needs to put an end to this special status once and for all.

The “Indian Nation” charade has gone on far too long.

It is time for them to be ordinary citizens — just like the rest of us.


21 posted on 12/27/2009 5:09:39 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Eye of Unk
Thanks (Eye). I figure some of these guys think it's all bull; far from it though.

All ya gotta do is spend a year in a village and you'll realize pretty quick what's killing them off as good as govt sponsered genocide.

22 posted on 12/27/2009 5:10:58 PM PST by Eska
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To: Revolting cat!

In the end, they might buy back the entire continental U.S. and where will we go?

They’ll put us on reservations where we can live tax free, have free healthcare, housing, all the bennies, and we can do funny dances in memory of the sacred lands taken away by the brownman...wash, rinse, repeat....


23 posted on 12/27/2009 5:12:58 PM PST by WestwardHo (Whom the god would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: WestwardHo

24 posted on 12/27/2009 5:21:29 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

Self portrait?


25 posted on 12/27/2009 5:28:16 PM PST by WestwardHo (Whom the god would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: tubebender

You got a deal. Of course Calif. paid the Indians for taking the state lands away from them. They paid them 25cents an acre. I’ll buy all the land you want to sell for the same price. Deal?


26 posted on 12/27/2009 5:39:22 PM PST by fish hawk (It's sad that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom. Isaac Asimov)
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To: Sacajaweau

If you are a “we” as in “like we do” why do you use an Indian name. Are you a mascot?


27 posted on 12/27/2009 5:49:37 PM PST by fish hawk (It's sad that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom. Isaac Asimov)
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To: jessduntno
Is not running a Casino on a Reservation “self sustaining”? By developing Casinos or any other enterprise on a Rez is exactly why they were put on them to start with. That, and for military protection against greedy white men who loved to shoot them for sport.
28 posted on 12/27/2009 5:52:54 PM PST by fish hawk (It's sad that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom. Isaac Asimov)
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To: fish hawk

How many acres do you want? I have 100s of thousands of acres available asap. It may be a few million years before it rises above the Pacific Ocean...


29 posted on 12/27/2009 5:57:28 PM PST by tubebender (Some minds are like concrete Thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: fish hawk

“Is not running a Casino on a Reservation “self sustaining”?”

I don’t think that was the point I was making, but let me check...nope, it wasn’t....I was saying that if there are no property taxes paid and the tax burden is NOT the same as, say, Las Vegas is...than it is being subsidized...which is not “self sustaining” by any stretch...


30 posted on 12/27/2009 5:59:25 PM PST by jessduntno ("The system is working just as it should..." - Jan "The Man" Napolitano)
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To: tubebender

In that case Al Gore says you are in big doo doo.


31 posted on 12/27/2009 5:59:53 PM PST by fish hawk (It's sad that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom. Isaac Asimov)
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To: jessduntno

Every working day some government agency takes land by one means or another for a reserve, park street or whatever and tell me how much property taxes are paid on the land?


32 posted on 12/27/2009 6:08:04 PM PST by tubebender (Some minds are like concrete Thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: tubebender

“Every working day some government agency takes land by one means or another for a reserve, park street or whatever and tell me how much property taxes are paid on the land?”

I don’t know...why, is it taking revenue from people in the Park business who have built elaborate places of business and pay taxes on them?


33 posted on 12/27/2009 6:11:03 PM PST by jessduntno ("The system is working just as it should..." - Jan "The Man" Napolitano)
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To: jessduntno
Look at the good side. Many of the Casino tribes are now building their own roads , hospitals, schools and etc. If not for the Casino that you white people hate, yet donate freely too, you would be picking up the tab for ALL the above. I never understand how people like you are still bitching about the Indians paying taxes while your own government is screwing you and making you buy the Vaseline. Time to move on to the important things in life. They came onto our reservation and built logging roads, then charge logging companies to come in a log it off. Then they tapped into our rivers and is sending that water down to the WHITE PEOPLE in the south of the state. They let gold miners come in and sluice our land off into the rivers and killed the salmon. And how many years of free tax exemptions would that be worth? Forever as far as I'm concerned.
34 posted on 12/27/2009 6:11:49 PM PST by fish hawk (It's sad that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom. Isaac Asimov)
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To: JoeProBono

“federal trust”

Isn’t that a contradiction of terms?


35 posted on 12/27/2009 6:13:17 PM PST by OrangeHoof ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Bend over suckahs".)
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To: fish hawk
...why do you use an Indian name. Are you a mascot?

He must be. Haven't that much slanderous stereotyping here in a long time.

36 posted on 12/27/2009 6:15:11 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: fish hawk

“Look at the good side.”

I do...I always think that history is full of injustice and bad laws and shitty deals...none of which excuses today’s injustice and bad laws and shitty deals...or tomorrow’s...


37 posted on 12/27/2009 6:17:16 PM PST by jessduntno ("The system is working just as it should..." - Jan "The Man" Napolitano)
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To: freedomfiter2

38 posted on 12/27/2009 6:20:00 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Inyo-Mono

I think it’s a she. Sacajawea is was the female that helped Lewis and Clark get through the mountains to the west coast.


39 posted on 12/27/2009 6:37:30 PM PST by fish hawk (It's sad that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom. Isaac Asimov)
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To: fish hawk
“Look at the good side. Many of the Casino tribes are now building their own roads , hospitals, schools and etc. If not for the Casino that you white people hate, yet donate freely too, you would be picking up the tab for ALL the above. I never understand how people like you are still bitching about the Indians paying taxes while your own government is screwing you and making you buy the Vaseline. Time to move on to the important things in life. They came onto our reservation and built logging roads, then charge logging companies to come in a log it off. Then they tapped into our rivers and is sending that water down to the WHITE PEOPLE in the south of the state. They let gold miners come in and sluice our land off into the rivers and killed the salmon. And how many years of free tax exemptions would that be worth? Forever as far as I'm concerned.”

It is a good thing that Casinos make tribes more independent. I hope that the tribes learn to be better managers of the casinos. Most of what I hear about them are tales of nepotism, corruption, and backroom distribution of wealth to those who are on the "inside". Of course, the "WHITE PEOPLE" are no more monolithic than the "BROWN PEOPLE" are. The pre-columbian settlers were fortunate enough that after Columbus, it was a Christian civilization that let most of them live and own a chunk of land. In pre-Columbian times the land changed hands many times, and the people that lived on it were simply slaughtered, enslaved, or driven off. Such was the way of life and war before civilization. No land on earth (with the exception of Antarctica), has not been stolen (many, many, times) from another people who owned it before them.

Most of the pre-columbian people died of disease that came from Europe and Asia; most of the remainder were conquered in large part because they were constantly at war with one another.

I have no problem with tribes having casinos. I think treaties should be honored, just as I think the Constitution should be honored. But that doesn't mean that we should look at the past through rose colored glasses.

40 posted on 12/27/2009 6:42:27 PM PST by marktwain
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To: fish hawk
I think it’s a she. Sacajawea is was the female that helped Lewis and Clark get through the mountains to the west coast.

Yes, Sacajawea was Shoshone.

41 posted on 12/27/2009 6:49:30 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: BenLurkin; All

“It is time for them to be ordinary citizens — just like the rest of us.”

There are some of us that already are, though the “switch” was made over 100 years ago in our family. Since then, it’s been something of an American success story. The line seems to have produced poets, pilots and doctors (and a few nutballs of course). All of this over a century, with the next generation edging towards engineering. Was it because of the Indian heritage? On the contrary, it was because the decision was made early on that the future wasn’t back on the reservation, though they could have gone back if they ever wanted. None ever did.

Now, when their teachers ask my children what they are, they answer “Nebraskan” or “Coloradan”. This is as it should be. My kids, on their own, rejected the ethnic constraints that others too willingly let themselves be shackled with. I can’t tell you how proud I was when their charter school teachers told us about the class conversation that ensued. At first the teachers didn’t understand, though the lights began to come on. The students caught on sooner. The 4th grade teacher informs ua that there was more than one teacher in the class on that day.

So I guess you can hold on to your ethnic heritage if you want. It’s a free country, of course. But as to the path to fulfillment, satisfaction and happiness (whatever that word means), our family already knows the answer to that one.

Oh, owning land is fine. We seem to have a lot of it (not really sure why it continues to accumulate). Seems like we keep buying the stuff, and yes, once we have it, no one seems to want to get rid of it (that would be wrong!). Funny how that works. The difference between us and the tribal crowd is that it’s OUR land, purchased with our sweat, and it has OUR name on the title. Indian/tribal affiliation had nothing to do with it. It was all acquired under American rules, which is far better than the disfunctional setup that seems to be popular these days. Truth be told, guilty white folks made up the American Indian myth way back to Natty Bumpo, and there have been generations of Indians that have bought into it.

A lot of Indian must have been bred out of us over the last century. Though we seem to have a familial predisposition for acquiring land, none of us seem to be getting warm fuzzy feelings about casinos. Perhaps the racial separation is finally complete. It didn’t happen soon enough.


42 posted on 12/27/2009 7:30:23 PM PST by Habibi ("It is vain to do with more what can be done with less." - William of Occam)
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