Skip to comments.Indian tribes buy back thousands of acres of land
Posted on 12/27/2009 4:07:12 PM PST by JoeProBono
OMAHA, Neb.- Native American tribes tired of waiting for the U.S. government to honor centuries-old treaties are buying back land where their ancestors lived and putting it in federal trust.
Native Americans say the purchases will help protect their culture and way of life by preserving burial grounds and areas where sacred rituals are held. They also provide land for farming, timber and other efforts to make the tribes self-sustaining.....
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“They also provide land for farming, timber and other efforts to make the tribes self-sustaining.....”
Not to mention BILLIONS in gambling ...
In the end, they might buy back the entire continental U.S. and where will we go?
do they pay state property taxes?
If only more Americans would be as distrustful of the US Government, instead of trusting them with running healthcare.
Let the indians buy land the same way we do....in fee. AND THEY CAN'T HAVE IT UNTAXED. They are US citizens.
They've gotten away with an awful lot over the years because of our goodness. They followed the rules of "conquerer" when it suited them. They're like little sneaky kids...who don't want to do their chores. Too bad. They could have been great. Too lazy!!
Once gambling goes mainstream, the Indians will be back where they started from, hopefully with some more capital and the knowledge to grow it.
Socialism (tribal ownership/management) is not going to work any better for the Indians of today than it did for their ancestors.
Note that when a tribe of communal ownership Indians comes up against individuals in a free market nation, that which happened in the post-Pilgrim era will occur again.
Given the fall of the dollar, wampum probably has some value these days.
“do they pay state property taxes?”
No...not that I am awre of...they pay other taxes, but unless the property is OFF reservation land (hence the move to acquire more) their property is not taxed.
Hey Fish Hawk... I got several thousand acres of undisturbed land 42 miles west of the town of Klamath I’d like to sell you...
Native American tribes tired of waiting for the U.S. government to honor centuries-old treaties are buying back land where their ancestors lived and putting it in federal trust.
Okay, the first part of the sentence sounds encouraging but the ending shows that some people never learn.
The Winnebago and the Rosebud tribes are all over this land puchasing push...presumably to make up for the fall off in RV and Sled sales during the downturn...
LOL... I stole that and eMailed it back to my wife...
I prefer that the tribes privately buy land than have the government condemn and steal to give to them. And for them to privately buy means there are private sellers willing to sell.
This is an ideal win-win.
I'd be all for it, if they paid property taxes like everyone else...either we are in the reparations business or we aren't. I see no other term to use...it is neither religious or education based non-compliance...
I also know villages who don't have casinoes, Old grandma's that run the village say there won't be casinoes as long as they are in control. Same villages buy back land that has been sold off over the years to attempt to preserve their village, keep us Whites out for their own survival.
I know villages who lost all their land as late as 1940's to feds. The land is now BLM, Fed Park Land, ect. I could tell ya how they were driven off the land, Govt took all their kids and wouldn't give them back until Indians quit traditionally utilizing the land;;;alot of bad feelings still simmering against the govt over this. It would be much better for the govt to give the BLM lands back to Indians; let the Indians manage the lands.
I once had an Indian friend stay over. Have known this guy for years from another village 600 miles away. Back in 1997, he turned down 20 million over soveignty rights; I respect the heck outta him. He once told me that issue was the second most important thing he has done in his life. He said the first was preventing young members of his village from selling their lands.
I wish us Whites stood up to the Feds like the local Indians do around here. The feds don't want problems from Indians over it. We could learn a little from them backward Natives,,, if you know what I mean.
As another Alaskan I too have seen that up here.
The U.S. needs to put an end to this special status once and for all.
The “Indian Nation” charade has gone on far too long.
It is time for them to be ordinary citizens — just like the rest of us.
All ya gotta do is spend a year in a village and you'll realize pretty quick what's killing them off as good as govt sponsered genocide.
In the end, they might buy back the entire continental U.S. and where will we go?
They’ll put us on reservations where we can live tax free, have free healthcare, housing, all the bennies, and we can do funny dances in memory of the sacred lands taken away by the brownman...wash, rinse, repeat....
You got a deal. Of course Calif. paid the Indians for taking the state lands away from them. They paid them 25cents an acre. I’ll buy all the land you want to sell for the same price. Deal?
If you are a “we” as in “like we do” why do you use an Indian name. Are you a mascot?
How many acres do you want? I have 100s of thousands of acres available asap. It may be a few million years before it rises above the Pacific Ocean...
“Is not running a Casino on a Reservation self sustaining?”
I don’t think that was the point I was making, but let me check...nope, it wasn’t....I was saying that if there are no property taxes paid and the tax burden is NOT the same as, say, Las Vegas is...than it is being subsidized...which is not “self sustaining” by any stretch...
In that case Al Gore says you are in big doo doo.
Every working day some government agency takes land by one means or another for a reserve, park street or whatever and tell me how much property taxes are paid on the land?
“Every working day some government agency takes land by one means or another for a reserve, park street or whatever and tell me how much property taxes are paid on the land?”
I don’t know...why, is it taking revenue from people in the Park business who have built elaborate places of business and pay taxes on them?
Isn’t that a contradiction of terms?
He must be. Haven't that much slanderous stereotyping here in a long time.
“Look at the good side.”
I do...I always think that history is full of injustice and bad laws and shitty deals...none of which excuses today’s injustice and bad laws and shitty deals...or tomorrow’s...
I think it’s a she. Sacajawea is was the female that helped Lewis and Clark get through the mountains to the west coast.
It is a good thing that Casinos make tribes more independent. I hope that the tribes learn to be better managers of the casinos. Most of what I hear about them are tales of nepotism, corruption, and backroom distribution of wealth to those who are on the "inside". Of course, the "WHITE PEOPLE" are no more monolithic than the "BROWN PEOPLE" are. The pre-columbian settlers were fortunate enough that after Columbus, it was a Christian civilization that let most of them live and own a chunk of land. In pre-Columbian times the land changed hands many times, and the people that lived on it were simply slaughtered, enslaved, or driven off. Such was the way of life and war before civilization. No land on earth (with the exception of Antarctica), has not been stolen (many, many, times) from another people who owned it before them.
Most of the pre-columbian people died of disease that came from Europe and Asia; most of the remainder were conquered in large part because they were constantly at war with one another.
I have no problem with tribes having casinos. I think treaties should be honored, just as I think the Constitution should be honored. But that doesn't mean that we should look at the past through rose colored glasses.
Yes, Sacajawea was Shoshone.
“It is time for them to be ordinary citizens just like the rest of us.”
There are some of us that already are, though the “switch” was made over 100 years ago in our family. Since then, it’s been something of an American success story. The line seems to have produced poets, pilots and doctors (and a few nutballs of course). All of this over a century, with the next generation edging towards engineering. Was it because of the Indian heritage? On the contrary, it was because the decision was made early on that the future wasn’t back on the reservation, though they could have gone back if they ever wanted. None ever did.
Now, when their teachers ask my children what they are, they answer “Nebraskan” or “Coloradan”. This is as it should be. My kids, on their own, rejected the ethnic constraints that others too willingly let themselves be shackled with. I can’t tell you how proud I was when their charter school teachers told us about the class conversation that ensued. At first the teachers didn’t understand, though the lights began to come on. The students caught on sooner. The 4th grade teacher informs ua that there was more than one teacher in the class on that day.
So I guess you can hold on to your ethnic heritage if you want. It’s a free country, of course. But as to the path to fulfillment, satisfaction and happiness (whatever that word means), our family already knows the answer to that one.
Oh, owning land is fine. We seem to have a lot of it (not really sure why it continues to accumulate). Seems like we keep buying the stuff, and yes, once we have it, no one seems to want to get rid of it (that would be wrong!). Funny how that works. The difference between us and the tribal crowd is that it’s OUR land, purchased with our sweat, and it has OUR name on the title. Indian/tribal affiliation had nothing to do with it. It was all acquired under American rules, which is far better than the disfunctional setup that seems to be popular these days. Truth be told, guilty white folks made up the American Indian myth way back to Natty Bumpo, and there have been generations of Indians that have bought into it.
A lot of Indian must have been bred out of us over the last century. Though we seem to have a familial predisposition for acquiring land, none of us seem to be getting warm fuzzy feelings about casinos. Perhaps the racial separation is finally complete. It didn’t happen soon enough.
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