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Dude lets be honest no matter what I would say you are not going to change your mind. Myself I don’t want to change your mind, if you think porn is the most horrible thing in the universe then that is your right.

You hate porn and challenge anybody to tell you what is good about it. Hell I dislike motorcycles, cars are much safer and quieter. They make me nervous when I am in traffic with some motorcycle just waiting for him to do something stupid. So what is good about motorcycles when people are more likely killed riding them? The difference is that I treat motorcyclists like adults, I don’t go around condemning their behavior. They like to ride, they take the risk, who am I to lecture them.

I can’t say I would pay $2000 to see porn stars in action like the original article but if that is what they want to do with their time and money I am not going to get on my moral high horse about it. Really “what good is it?” might be the most dangerous statement in the human language. Humans don’t need to eat beef, we can get protein elsewhere. A Vegan can say “What good is eating beef?” and explain all the reasons why cattle raising is bad for the environment. Some else might ask “What good is Jewelry?” seriously the gold and diamonds in jewelry is gotten at a horrible human cost in lives and injuries compared with other things. The anti gun nut asks “What good is guns?” etc.

Cold medicine in my state might only be prescribed by prescription because state law enforcement is saying “what good is sudafed if they are going to use it to make meth”. I am getting to the point let them make meth as long as I can get sudafed for a cold.

There comes a point where your war against a perceived wrong may infringe upon my rights. Mr. ICE I don’t know your personal story, maybe a loved one did ruin her life in the porn industry. Maybe your minister is on a power trip preaching against it. Perhaps you got some guilt about past events. I don’t know and I don’t care.

This is what I do know, of all the guys I have known I estimated at least 99% of them has viewed porn. Could a certain percent have a problem? Sure there is those addicted to the stuff like those addicted to smoking or drugs or alcohol or other stuff. There is a certain percent of religious types that goes totally nuts about their religion beyond reason. Should we ban religion because of their behavior?

So the question becomes at what point do you say the majority of users of something lose their rights to it because a minority can’t handle it? Are you calling for a complete ban on it, have the military raid adult bookstores and search house to house for porn tape collections? And at what point do you define porn? Just explicit sexual acts or is it nudity or do we say suggestive acts and clothing. Will we have public burning of J.C. Penny catalogs because they have women in bras in them? Or will women be required to wear burka’s in order to save the institution of marriage?

Like the cold medicine ban there is a certain point where the perceived evil is better than the cure to most people.

44 posted on 12/31/2009 7:58:31 PM PST by Swiss (Reality don't seem real anymore)
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To: Swiss

Appreciate your tact here. I would like, however, to point out something important...

I am a conservative and I would be a fraud to that were I not to stand up for the constitution. No where in my exchanges on this subject have I ever said or supported a ban or restriction or anything else. I do believe that this is up to community and in many ways they have effectually answered by zoning, access and other such restrictions. I fully support keeping it as far from kids as possible. But liberals complain that “they’re going to do it anyway” which is mostly just their catch all phrase to justify their own failures in life. Yes, I saw porn as a kid, maybe you did too and I can easily see how it jaded my view of girls and sex and more as I grew into a teen and young man.


I will always stand against ANY attempts to redefine what porn is when a value is being assigned. If someone dares to call it harmless I will challenge it. If someone thinks its mainstream I will show that it is not. When someone tries to water down the stigma attached to it and all that surrounds it I will re-attache it as best I can. If the debate enters the public square I would suggest that it must be ready to face me and others on it. I am sure that there are firebrand issues you consider worthy of this kind of reaction. Again this does not mean I don’t support the law and the constitution. Because just like the meth/sudafed issue I am in total agreement with you. Big Bad Government has done nothing more than restrict 99% for the 1% problem. I would offer that far more people are affected by porn that you may be willing to admit but you were correct in suggesting that the harm I have seen has hit close to home.

I do wish you the best New Year and thanks for the conversation.

45 posted on 12/31/2009 11:52:02 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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