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Posted on 01/01/2010 6:27:46 AM PST by USALiberty
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Indeed, he should have acted. Although he does not have the authority to oust a sitting "president", he could find that the occupier of the White House failed to prove his bono fides and demand that they be produced.
There are only a few moves at that point for Team 0bama (Obama, Fvck Ya!):
Put up or
Show their contempt of court or
I don't think they can put up.
Contempt of court? Dunno, I think he has some immunity as long as he is in office.
An appeal would garner more daylight than the cockroaches can tolerate. Besides, it might actually get to the Supreme Court.
Carter should have 'kicked it upstairs', IMHO
And the secondary effect ois that folks are re;uctant to post because they will be attacked by a bunch of Obama d*ck sucking trolls.
Its actually a laugh.
When Obama shows why he has spent 2 million bucks in defending cases designed to keep his defacto borth information secret, then I will be happy. These trolls can eat it now, and get out of town. Its only a matter of time now.
Spelt cheque is my friend
"A criminal cannot profit from his own misdeeds." has been a basic holding in all courts.
If I scam 100K, play the ponies or markets and gain 1Million before I get caught on the original 100K, I cannot use the 900K to effect my defense.
Soetoro is a fraud; by allowing him to use the restrictions necessary for a validly seated President allows him profit from his crime. As he is not valid as President, he cannot use the Presidency as a shield against his arrest and trial as a criminal.
Judge Carter could not make this finding because what you have described is the definition of “quo warranto”. Under separation of powers, quo warranto is reserved to Congress which has delegated its quo warranto authority to only the DC Circuit, not to any other federal circuit court, such as Judge Carter's.
Taitz and Kreep even admitted this, but unrealistically (or disingenuously) thought they could persuade Carter that he should hear a quo warranto claim because in their view, the DC Circuit had shown bias. I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think any federal judge would grant jurisdiction based on such a vague, unsubstantiated allegation by a plaintiff against a fellow sitting federal judge.
Now, with D’Onofrio’s impending quo warranto filing in the DC Circuit for the Chrysler dealers, we have potentially the right plaintifs in the right court with an available remedy, if SCOTUS will agree ultimately, that quo warranto applies to POTUS.>
Exactly. All he had to do was require that Obama make his birth information available to the court. If Obama denies that the Kenyan birth certificate is legimate, then he can prove it by providing his Hawaiian birth records to the court.
That is not unreasonable. It would be required in almost any situation where the facts are in question. For example, Obama’s birth records were provided to the divorce court judge when his mother divorced his father, although they have since mysteriously disappeared from the divorce file.
Providing proof of birth is a routine matter.
Quo warranto is an alternative legal path. It is not the only path.
Sorry, too hurried! Spelt check ins indeed my fiend.
Worthwhile points ... yet I will continue to have serious issues with factors in this entire dark chapter, until the entire truth is revealed ... and it always is eventually.
* the repercussions the citizenry would have a
right to expect could accrue to any perpetrator
who could have purposely submitted false information
on official candidacy documents (be that at
state or federal level), even if that information
was discovered after the fact.
We have noted the onus is on the state secs of state,
election boards and parties (which is no credible
onus at all), but IF any crime were committed in that
process, is that crime simply absolved and voided
because no one was diligent enough to uphold their
sworn oath of responsibility, do their job and require
conclusive verification of submitted facts?
* the very fact that Siddharth Velamoor, a legal grunt
from Robert Bauer’s Perkins Coie law firm, (Bauer being
the DNC attorney, Obama personal attorney, and now
WH counsel and a very aggressive and threatening shark),
was ‘coincidentally’ assigned as a clerk to Judge Carter
in the WEEK before the Oct. 5 hearing reeks of Chicago thug
politics ..the very in-your-face brand this crew employs.
I don’t believe there are coincidences with these cretins,
and I would find it fantasy to believe that Judge Carter
didn’t know that well-known fact. It appears he
deliberately chose to discard that unethical issue and
permitted that smelly connection to be associated with his
Albeit, dealing with the theatrics and frequently
outlandish courtroom antics of Taitz were challenging
and fractious mazes to traverse, he is still responsible
entirely for his judicial sector and its integrity, if
his judgments are to be accepted with total trust and
confidence from the citizenry, which is vital for an
orderly government to exist.
The following is information I was able to cull readily from the official Federal Elections Commission website for disbursements from the Obama campaign to the law firm of Perkins Coie, which is or did represent Obama in various eligibility suits. The FEC links follow the entries.
Perkins Coie 314,018.06
July 2009 quarterly:
Perkins Coie 270,754.18
Perkins Coie 688,316.42
Perkins Coie 173,052.52
Amended post-general election:
Perkins Coie 205,323.00
That adds up to $1,651,464.18
Perkins Coie does not appear in the pre-general election filing or a few others I checked randomly. You are free to pursue any further information that is of interest. But one would assume that the official FEC website to which the Obama and other campaigns must report their financial activity would be taken by even the most skeptical among us as valid documentation of the reported $1.4 or $1.8, or anything in between, figure expended to defend the eligibility suits.
This information is about the legal fees only of that one law firm, not the DOJ attorneys, court time, or other related costs.
“Don’t think we’re not keeping score, brother.” That’s what President Barack Obama said to Rep. Peter DeFazio in a closed-door meeting of the House Democratic Caucus last week, according to the Associated Press.
As yet unproven, but it’s an issue that won’t die, that is for sure.
It is if you can.
A U.S. citizen can renounce their citizenship in favor of citizenship in another country. But they can only do it as an adult. They cannot do it as a minor. Link.
What headlines, where and whose???
The headline at the top of this thread, silly.
But regardless of where you're living, local laws do not negate U.S. law. If you are born in the U.S. then you are a U.S. citizen, and foreign laws pertaining to dual citizenship cannot change that. Likewise, if you were born in a foreign country and lived in the U.S. then U.S. law could not strip you of your foreign citizenship. A person born in the U.S. can only relinquish their citizenship voluntarily. They cannot have it taken away from them, by U.S. law or foreign law. And they can only relinquish it as an adult through a deliberate act on their part.
See post 17???
Hey it’s only New Years day!!!
And don't think "We're" not also keeping score of those that have aided and abetted a cheap hustler's usurpation of the executive office of President of the United States.
A pox on their house!
Yup ... it’s a riddle, wrapped in a mystery,
inside an enigma, as Winston Churchill said.
His crime/fraud is no different than that of Madoff, ‘nuf said!!!
If you immigrate to a foreign country, whether minor or not, you have to follow that country’s supreme laws, NOT the laws of the U.S. Period!!!
How do YOU know that???
This statement ought/needs to be filed in F.R.'s Hall of Shame, LOL!!!
Even Congress is in on this treason.
“That is not unreasonable. It would be required in almost any situation where the facts are in question. For example, Obamas birth records were provided to the divorce court judge when his mother divorced his father, although they have since mysteriously disappeared from the divorce file.”
We don't know what the missing page is from the Dunham-Obama divorce file. In HI, marriage records are protected from public disclosure, so the missing page could have been the Dunham-Obama marriage record. Subsequently HI has disclosed that a “vital record index” for the marriage exists, so it might have been the missing page. It also could be Barry's vital record of birth, also disclosed to exist, but not released by HI.
Unfortunately, under the Federal Rules of Evidence (FRE), a COLB short form, such as the one with minimal information (lack of location, hospital and doctor) that the Obama campaign gave to Factcheck, if submitted to Judge Carter would have been legally “self-authenticating” and sufficient to prove Obama’s HI birth, absent legally admissible rebuttal evidence.
Unfortunately, under the FRE, as a foreign BC, Smith's Kenya BC for Obama is not “self-authenticating”. Thus it required official authentication from Kenya which was not put before Judge Carter by Taitz.
Bottom line, an HI COLB will get into evidence under the FRE in any federal court and be accepted on its face as proof of HI birth unless refuted, while a Kenya BC without official Kenya government authentication cannot refute an HI COLB, cannot be relied on by a federal court judge and won't raise a requirement that it be refuted by Obama.
Transparency is electing to release documents that one is entitled to withhold in the interest of removing any appearance of improper or illegitimate action. Obama is shamelessly violating his promise of transparency as he declassifies and releases formerly top secret docs going back decades while refusing to release his own original HI vital records just because he is entitled to.
I have great confidence in Leo and Steve and believe they will be successful in defending our constitution and the rights of the Chrysler Dealers. It is just a matter of time and the usurper will be removed from office. :)
In the meantime we all need to work together at our state level to support and vote for constitutional conservative candidates who are running for Congress!
Canada Free Press
Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.
But not ONE member of Americas most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.
Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.
Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. Its the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.
WHO WILL SAVE FREEDOM?
A brave few This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how it will be.
DR. ORLY TAITZ, Phil Berg and Gary Kreep, ALL OF WHOM HAVE MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP.
A PRECIOUS FEW, BUT THEY EXIST and the walls are indeed closing in on Obama and his evil cabal. IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FAIL TO GET BEHIND THESE BRAVE FEW WHO ARE SEEKING PEACEFUL REDRESS, ALL THE PEACEFUL OPTIONS WILL EVAPORATE AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED. WE WILL RETURN TO A PRE-1776 AMERICA OVERNIGHT..
Do YOU fear Obama?
A precious few, indeed. Lets get behind those few brave patriots who are out there in the trenches every day working to prove Obamas inelgibility:
Dr. Orly has put her lifes blood into this fight. SHE HAS MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP FROM COWARDLY REPUBLICANS AND THE SCOTUS.
Dr. Orly is the ONLY one out there in the trenches EVERY day hitting Obama on multiple fronts and trying to bring him down. It is reported that she is more than $8,000 in debt from using her own funds for expenses in her flights across the U.S for interviews, speeches, serving papers and meeting with officials.
She has even gone to Isreal and Russia to spread the message about Obamas inelgibility!
She states the case expertly, including the bc and natural born citizen aspect, when not abused by the U.S. state-controlled media. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132880
Sure, Dr. Orly makes mistakes. We all do. But Dr. Orly is no dummy. How many of us could go to a foreign country, learn 5 languages, establish a successful dental practice, a successful real estate business AND pass the California state bar- one of the hardest in the U.S. to pass?
She may be a mail order attorney and not a Harvard lawyer, but she IS an attorney with all the rights and privilages of a Harvard lawyer nevertheless!
The point is; she has the passion, the zeal, the courage of her convictions and the love of America and its freedoms (unlike many of our great attorneys and patriots who criticize her) that will not let her give up!
She is exhausted. She is nervous. She is frustrated. It is reported that she gets by on 4-5 hours of sleep per night, and her family is very worried about her health- as well as her safety.
She makes mistakes. But she will NOT give up. She will keep on until she gets it right.
So lets get behind this great little Russian refugee and great American patriot.
Stop tearing her apart. The Obots on FR dont need our help.
The obots are scared to death of this little lady and her determination. Thats why they come out in droves all over the net on forums, chat rooms and even the national news to attack and ridicule.
The Question is: Can someone who is not a Natural Born Citizen be President of the United States?
Can I have your answers please?
Step on to squash the rat trolls...
It just shows that Orly Taitz isn't the only damned-fool whackadoodle out there.
Hmmmmm...not too many rat trolls on this thread yet. They must be still too drunk from last night.
The comments to this article are very interesting.
If you must.
But don’t wear your good shoes!
“Very easily. IMHO, of course.”
Seconded. This kind of stuff is simply sad and offensive. Here you have a judge who bent over backward to display courtesy and professionalism to a “lawyer” worthy of neither. That speaks directly to the kind of man he is.
Then when he reaches the legally correct decision, the same people who were holding him up as a shining knight bare their fangs with juvenile and wretched attacks on his character. That speaks directly to the type of people they are.
If you are a combat veteran and direct that kind of mindless venom at Judge Carter, you simply dishonor your own service. If you aren't a combat veteran and are pulling these stunts, you are beneath contempt.
Really? Why wouldn't Biden simply become president? He is next in line. He is a Natural Born Citizen. His ticket did receive the most popular and electoral college votes.
You know, there is a context to that quote. It’s part of an integrated bases for a legal decision. But then, people who have no understanding of what he’s talking about, the law in general, the fact that standing is part of the merits of a case, or even what merit is in a legal context, continue to rant and spew that a decent judge didn’t satisfy their keen analytical minds.
There are words for people like that. Hint: patriot isn’t one of them.
Ping to some dude from “American Make-Believe Grand Jury” trying to score points with Orly by calling Judge Carter a drunk.
Your list is out of date , as of 2004 you can gain Philippine citizenship with no requirement to renounce your current citizenship.
No .. they’re listed on the FEC reports
just as legal expenses. And there are
more law firms than just Perkins Coie.
I was in the Navy. We tend to look down on Marines, not look them in the eye.
You are wrong. Period.
What gives the U.S. the power to do that? To say to a native of Great Britain, for example, that they are no longer a British citizen? What authority do we have to do that? Please, enlighten us.
This statement ought/needs to be filed in F.R.'s Hall of Shame, LOL!!!
Before you do that I suggest you point out what makes the statement incorrect.
From what little I have seen it would take forensic accountant to find out what really happened,where the money really went.
Ping to unconscionable accusations against Judge Carter.
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