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Relic reveals Noah's ark was circular
guardian.co.uk ^ | Jan. 1, 2010 | Maev Kennedy

Posted on 01/02/2010 11:48:34 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY

That they processed aboard the enormous floating wildlife collection two-by-two is well known. Less familiar, however, is the possibility that the animals Noah shepherded on to his ark then went round and round inside.

According to newly translated instructions inscribed in ancient Babylonian on a clay tablet telling the story of the ark, the vessel that saved one virtuous man, his family and the animals from god's watery wrath was not the pointy-prowed craft of popular imagination but rather a giant circular reed raft.

The now battered tablet, aged about 3,700 years, was found somewhere in the Middle East by Leonard Simmons, a largely self-educated Londoner who indulged his passion for history while serving in the RAF from 1945 to 1948.

The relic was passed to his son Douglas, who took it to one of the few people in the world who could read it as easily as the back of a cornflakes box; he gave it to Irving Finkel, a British Museum expert, who translated its 60 lines of neat cuneiform script.

There are dozens of ancient tablets that have been found which describe the flood story but Finkel says this one is the first to describe the vessel's shape.

"In all the images ever made people assumed the ark was, in effect, an ocean-going boat, with a pointed stem and stern for riding the waves – so that is how they portrayed it," said Finkel. "But the ark didn't have to go anywhere, it just had to float, and the instructions are for a type of craft which they knew very well. It's still sometimes used in Iran and Iraq today, a type of round coracle which they would have known exactly how to use to transport animals across a river or floods."

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TOPICS: Religion
KEYWORDS: blacksea; blackseaflood; catastrophism; coracle; cuneiform; godsgravesglyphs; grandcanyo; grandcanyon; greatflood; irvingfinkel; noah; noahsark; noahsflood
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1 posted on 01/02/2010 11:48:35 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Relic reveals Noah's ark was circular

Gen 6:15 This is how you are to make it: the length of the ark 300 cubits, its breadth 50 cubits, and its height 30 cubits.

Not according to God's instructions. Maev should check all the facts...

2 posted on 01/02/2010 11:52:54 AM PST by bcsco (Hey, GOP: The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration...)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Artist's rendering of new concept of Noah's Ark:


3 posted on 01/02/2010 11:53:04 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Not surprising really.

The most common kind of water craft in ancient Mesopotamia were round, much like the Irish coracle.

They work well enough for a fishing platform and are basically just a basket and easy to make.

If this was the most common type of boat to Mesopotamians, it would make sense they would make the story fit their perceptions.


4 posted on 01/02/2010 11:55:47 AM PST by seowulf (Petraeus, cross the Rubicon.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So, reeds are the same as Gopher Wood???? yeah, right!


5 posted on 01/02/2010 11:57:16 AM PST by fish hawk (It's sad that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom. Isaac Asimov)
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To: freedumb2003

forbidden planet?


6 posted on 01/02/2010 11:57:24 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: bcsco
true.

"Draw out the boat that you will built with a circular design; Let its length and breadth be the same."

This doesn't seem right to me. Aren't there good sea-going reasons why someone would not want to do this?

"The tablet goes on to command the use of plaited palm fibre, waterproofed with bitumen"

No, bitumen is an oil product. Pitch (which it would presumably have said) is made from trees.

"Noah's flood. The Mesopotamian flood myth"

And there we find the bias/lie. There is much scientific evidence for the flood.
7 posted on 01/02/2010 12:07:20 PM PST by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

It could be bitumen. Iraq has plenty of oil, and oil seeps are not unknown.

La Brea tar pits comes to mind.


8 posted on 01/02/2010 12:12:19 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 346 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

9 posted on 01/02/2010 12:20:54 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

As to the circular craft, it would be difficult to manage (as would the Ark as described (more like a raft). But I’d wager the circular craft would be the more difficult.

However, as I read the Bible the Ark wasn’t all that ‘controlled’ as a surface craft. It floated atop the waters, then “came to rest atop the mountains of Ararat”. That doesn’t imply control. With that in mind, either style might have worked, but I go with the Bible every time.


10 posted on 01/02/2010 12:31:37 PM PST by bcsco (Hey, GOP: The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration...)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

One might think that such an amazing historical tale, persisting across such a wide variety of cultures, would reinforce the fact that there was in fact a literal basis for the story.

But, no, the focus is on regional variations and embellishments, particularly those that run counter to the Biblical account, and that is supposed to relegate it all to myth.


11 posted on 01/02/2010 12:32:20 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Free ThinkerNY


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

12 posted on 01/02/2010 12:32:45 PM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: bcsco

I recall a relatively recent test of a scale craft built to the Biblical proportions, in a wave tank, somewhere in Asia, possibly Japan.

I’m recalling that the proportions were nearly ideal for preventing roll, pitch and yaw on rough seas, according to this research. Nearly ideally stable, in other words.


13 posted on 01/02/2010 12:37:43 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: SunkenCiv

bump


14 posted on 01/02/2010 12:43:33 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: RegulatorCountry

I vaguely recall something of that myself. I put it farther back than ‘relatively recent’, though. Yet ‘Nearly ideally stable’ doesn’t necessarily lend itself to navigable. And the Bible doesn’t address navigation of the Ark. Simply that it ‘floated, and ‘came to rest’. I suspect Noah and the crew had much more to attend to, and they were at God’s will in any event.


15 posted on 01/02/2010 12:45:13 PM PST by bcsco (Hey, GOP: The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration...)
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To: bcsco

UK cubits?
http://www.unitconversion.org/length/cubits-uk-to-feet-conversion.html
Or Rubiks cubits?


16 posted on 01/02/2010 1:09:03 PM PST by tumblindice
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Saturday, April 19, 2008

Noah's Ark


Noah's Ark
(C)Copyright 2008, C. Burke. All rights reserved.

Obviously, the Lord didn't call the snakes or the insects. They sort of stowed away.
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17 posted on 01/02/2010 1:09:40 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (Obi-Wan Palin: Strike her down and she shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.)
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To: bcsco

Well, in a world that was covered in turbulent water, the notion of “destination” would be more than just abstract, so “navigable” would of necessity take a backseat to stability, wouldn’t you think?

God knew the outcome of the chaotic forces at work, and the Ark came to rest where it was intended. There was no more navigation involved than throwing a message in a bottle into the Atlantic on the Outer Banks of North Carolina and it ending up in County Cork, Ireland.


18 posted on 01/02/2010 1:12:10 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: bcsco

I was just going to post that verse.

This guy is a fraud.


20 posted on 01/02/2010 1:17:33 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

The dimensions of the Ark were and are the same as the most stable ocean going vessels of today - look at the oil tanker as an example.

These dimensions and draft are the least likely to capsize from broadside waves.


21 posted on 01/02/2010 1:19:34 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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22 posted on 01/02/2010 1:19:41 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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I thought it was Noah leading a pair of animals.


23 posted on 01/02/2010 1:25:15 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: RegulatorCountry

That’s essentially what I was saying. Navigation played no part, and they were in God’s hands.


24 posted on 01/02/2010 1:31:31 PM PST by bcsco (Hey, GOP: The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration...)
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To: bcsco
Not according to God's instructions.

Exactly. The headline of this story is deceptive. One version of the Flood story says that the boat was circular, but the name given in that version is not even Noah.

25 posted on 01/02/2010 1:54:52 PM PST by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: beebuster2000

Yup, The United Planets Cruiser C-57D on the planet Altair 4 from “Forbidden Planet”.


26 posted on 01/02/2010 2:32:52 PM PST by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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According to newly translated instructions inscribed in ancient Babylonian on a clay tablet telling the story of the ark, the vessel that saved one virtuous man, his family and the animals from god's watery wrath was not the pointy-prowed craft of popular imagination but rather a giant circular reed raft. The now battered tablet, aged about 3,700 years, was found somewhere in the Middle East by Leonard Simmons, a largely self-educated Londoner who indulged his passion for history while serving in the RAF from 1945 to 1948.
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27 posted on 01/02/2010 3:50:00 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year!)
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28 posted on 01/02/2010 3:51:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year!)
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So it was bagel shaped?


29 posted on 01/02/2010 3:54:44 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: SunkenCiv

I think they are full of elephant . . . uhhhhh . . . processed elephant hay.

Seems to me the Biblical description is rather clear . . . and folks who’ve visited it in the glacier on Mt Ararat say it fits the Biblical description.


30 posted on 01/02/2010 3:59:14 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: SunkenCiv

Every week it’s something, the OLDEST, the BIGGEST, the FURRIEST... Now, Noah’s ark which is EXPLICITLY described as rectangular is found to be circular...

We need like “National Enquirer, Science Edition” or something.

Especially since alot of these ideas are the LOONIEST...!!!!

A guys gotta laugh, though...!


31 posted on 01/02/2010 4:00:24 PM PST by djf (What has killed more people? 1) Guns in cars or 2) Cell phones in cars???? Do the math!!!!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Does it really matter what shape it was? Obviously, it must have worked, and there is no requirement that it be built again (unless it’s one of those awful designs for a church). Yes, some congregation actually built a church shaped like the ark. Ugly? Yes. Does it really matter? No.

As to forgetting what shape it actually was, its just one less thing to worry about.


32 posted on 01/02/2010 4:00:30 PM PST by Habibi ("It is vain to do with more what can be done with less." - William of Occam)
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Whoops, sorry, thanks Pontiac for that ping.


33 posted on 01/02/2010 4:27:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year!)
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To: Quix

Noah’s Ark: I-The Ship on Ararat by Dwardu Cardona (in two parts, vol 12, KRONOS)


34 posted on 01/02/2010 4:32:00 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year!)
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There are two really superior conspiracy theories out there in the world which I know of. One is the Illig/Heinsohn theory which says that we are probably living around 1700 years after Christ and not 2000 years; the other is the thing about the ark starship on the back side of the moon.

There could be only one purpose for a space vehicle of that size, IF the basic story is true which is a big if; the purpose would be to evacuate one or more cities completely out of our solar system. The ship in the pictures, again assuming the film footage isn't made up, would be one which did not get off for whatever reason.

The flood and the two or three later events which Velikovsky wrote about would have been the final chapter in a series of catastrophes. People living in our system before the series of disasters began would have had no way to know if anything in our system would remain habitable at all; you'd assume at least some of them would try to get out.

THAT might be what an ark is supposed to look like...


35 posted on 01/02/2010 4:37:25 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: SunkenCiv

thx


36 posted on 01/02/2010 4:43:01 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: wendy1946
That's some fun, kooky poop right there. :')
For this effect, the main image is a composite of four different frames from the original video taken during Apollo 20 CSM flyover.
Thanks.

The last of the Apollo flights was #17, iow, the footage shot from Apollo 20 is something that doesn't exist. What would have been the Apollo 20 CSM *I think* is on the lawn of the local museum here, but I won't swear to it. There is a CSM there, it was used for a drop test come to think of it, lost in the Pacific, recovered by a Soviet ship, and returned in an act of goodwill. Or somethin'.

V mentions some earlier catastrophes at that link above.
37 posted on 01/02/2010 5:40:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year!)
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The thing I find troubling.....

I mean, from the end of WW-II until 1970 or thereabouts the idea of getting to the moon was the ultimate goal of science and man's mission on Earth. There were times when it seemed that's all we ever heard about in the news. And then the one big step for mankind thing like we've just crossed the threshold and the future of space travel is wide open and all that...

And then one or two more trips to do the same basic thing and then the whole thing is yesterday's news: been there, done that, now it's time to get on with perfecting our welfare state and fighting little demokkkrat wars and what not. The whole thing just goes away.

I mean, is that believable, or could it be that whatever those guys saw up there messed their minds and their paradigms so badly that the whole thing got made into a black project and we never hear about it any more? Who knows....

38 posted on 01/02/2010 5:57:46 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: Free ThinkerNY

There are numerous Science Fiction stories about the ark being a spaceship. APerhaps a flying saucer is about right ;-)


39 posted on 01/02/2010 10:34:31 PM PST by zeugma (Proofread a page a day: http://www.pgdp.net/)
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To: bcsco

A circular boat would spin rapidly in such chaotic waters and currents creating an unlivable centripetal force...think of the the ‘centrifuge type” ride at an amusement park or county fair.


40 posted on 01/02/2010 10:53:46 PM PST by mdmathis6
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To: wendy1946; beebuster2000; freedumb2003

>>>And then one or two more trips to do the same basic thing and then the whole thing is yesterday’s news: been there, done that, now it’s time to get on with perfecting our welfare state

Walter Mondale as a US senator led the fight to kill the moon program before we ever even reached lunar orbit. He came close to succeeding, especially in the months after the loss of the Apollo 1 crew. No aliens necessary.

>>>forbidden planet?

And a dozen others, including episodes of Twilight Zone and 3-D Danny’s spaceship. Sometimes just for variety they turned it over and it flew bottom side up. They definitely got their moneys worth out of that prop.


41 posted on 01/02/2010 11:14:45 PM PST by tlb
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To: mdmathis6

That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. Just on anti-Biblical merit alone I’ve discounted this data. As you point out, it makes no technical sense.


42 posted on 01/03/2010 6:04:53 AM PST by bcsco (Hey, GOP: The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration...)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Place to lay out, catch some rays and dip a line in the water. Works for me.


43 posted on 01/03/2010 6:36:27 AM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: wendy1946

LBJ tried to implement his so-called War on Poverty, escalate in Vietnam, and carry out the Apollo program; after Apollo 11 (the first of the six landings) and the winning of the Moon race / space race, LBJ’s micromanaging the quagmire in Vietnam, and the failure of the war on poverty, it seemed like a great idea to dump Apollo, which was successful.

Re: black project, here’s no way to hide a Saturn V launch. The only manmade sound louder is (or perhaps was, since the Shuttle has more pop) detonation of an atomic bomb.


44 posted on 01/03/2010 9:03:20 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year!)
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I didn't say it was anything more than a conspiracy theory...

If I were going to manage such a program, the launch would likely be from some remote Pacific island.

45 posted on 01/03/2010 9:30:40 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’m surprised no one has commented on the last paragraph of this story, which is crazier than the rest of it:

“In the Victorian era some became obsessed with the ark story. George Smith – the lowly British museum assistant who, in 1872, deciphered the Flood Tablet which is inscribed with the Assyrian version of the Noah’s ark tale – could apparently not contain his excitement at his discovery.”

Does this not sound kind of odd?

According to the museum’s archives: “He jumped up and rushed about the room in a great state of excitement and to the astonishment of those present began to undress himself.”


46 posted on 01/08/2010 12:14:03 AM PST by Beowulf9
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To: null and void
"It could be bitumen. Iraq has plenty of oil, and oil seeps are not unknown. La Brea tar pits comes to mind."

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Not if oil came from the flood which had not yet occurred.

47 posted on 01/12/2010 6:05:14 AM PST by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: SunkenCiv
Re: black project, here’s no way to hide a Saturn V launch. The only manmade sound louder is (or perhaps was, since the Shuttle has more pop) detonation of an atomic bomb.

Yeah. I vividly remember watching the first Saturn V launch on TV, only to be distracted (and pulled outside) by hearing the launch live, loud enough to overwhelm the volume on the TV. From 125 miles away...

48 posted on 01/12/2010 6:34:12 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 356 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: wendy1946
And then one or two more trips to do the same basic thing and then the whole thing is yesterday's news: been there, done that, now it's time to get on with perfecting our welfare state and fighting little demokkkrat wars and what not. The whole thing just goes away.

Sorta like 9/11?

I mean, is that believable, or could it be that whatever those guys saw up there messed their minds and their paradigms so badly that the whole thing got made into a black project and we never hear about it any more? Who knows....

Not me...

49 posted on 01/12/2010 6:39:20 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 356 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Manic_Episode
Not if oil came from the flood which had not yet occurred.

Clearly there was oil before The Flood.

50 posted on 01/12/2010 6:42:38 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 356 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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