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Children reaching age 3 without being able to say a word, survey finds
timesonline.co.uk ^ | January 4, 2010 | Joanna Sugden

Posted on 01/04/2010 9:10:50 PM PST by ransomnote

The survey of more than 1,000 parents found that a child’s background was not a factor in how quickly they learnt to talk. Working parents who put their babies in day care are just as likely to have a child whose speech develops late as those who leave their baby in front of the television.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Education
KEYWORDS: alberteinstein; children; education; einstein
In the parts of the US (e.g., California) there is a real push to force mothers staying at home with young children to put the children in daycare. The pressure upon parents in these regions has been along the lines of 'oh how could you deprive your child of an education by staying at home instead of putting them in a school!'. This article might be focusing on this angle..or not? I am not sure.

I excerpted the part that I did because some information is mysteriously left out. Notice that they compare daycare children of working parents to children who are left in front of the television...what happened to the children who interact with stay at home moms, other children etc.? If the data show that interacting with your baby brings about superior performance in terms of speaking then that would not promote daycare, would it?

I know parents who must put their children in daycare at a young age and and some have told me how much they wish they could afford to stay home with the child. Other parents report that their children do well in daycare. I am not specifically anti-daycare, it's just that I don't like the inference that the decision to use daycare or stay home with the child should not be left to the parents. This again makes me think it's a push to allow the government to raise your children but I could be wrong. Any thoughts from parents out there?

1 posted on 01/04/2010 9:10:51 PM PST by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

PS: I know this a UK article, I am also wondering if this drive to get all parents into the work force exists in the UK.


2 posted on 01/04/2010 9:11:53 PM PST by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

My grandson was speaking full sentences by the time he was two. The kids never had a TV in the house, so he was read to, talked to, and mom stayed at home with him.


3 posted on 01/04/2010 9:26:27 PM PST by irishtenor (Beer. God's way of making sure the Irish don't take over the world.)
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To: ransomnote

Dr. Sowell's son John talked late. I think I have a copy of the book, but a lot of my books are in storage right now so I can't look at more than Amazon's sample pages.

4 posted on 01/04/2010 9:30:16 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Gore is the fifth horseman of the apocalypse. He rides an icy horse bringing cold wherever he goes.)
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To: ransomnote

Not a big deal. Our current pResident uses a teleprompter to speak.


5 posted on 01/04/2010 9:31:00 PM PST by max americana
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To: ransomnote
Maybe, but the article does go on to acknowledge that interacting with parents in various ways helps speech development. The finding actually indicates that daycare is no more stimulating than sitting in front of TV. In any case, they are only talking about 4% of children in the survey.
6 posted on 01/04/2010 9:31:37 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: ransomnote

Thoughts?

We are two generations out from the stay-at-home mom, whose immediacy and interest in the development of her own children was paramount. It must have been luxurious.

Now, we have rule-obeying robots who bite other children, literally or figuratively, and think with a slightly feral, us vs them mentality reminiscent of “Mad Max”. Soon, when the older folks are killed off by obama deathcare, everyone will live in Gattica, except for those who are relegated to the ‘pens’ from “Planet of the Apes”.

Come, Lion of Judah, please. The ‘intelligent life’ of this planet is becoming a choice among species.


7 posted on 01/04/2010 9:35:52 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah."Our middle regiment, Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: irishtenor

You can’t say because your child spoke early that it was his wonderful environment. Children who speak late often come from just as good an environment. My children were born into a wonderfully rich verbal loving environment, and one was speaking at 9 months and another one was BARELY speaking at 2.5, and only with help of a competent speech therapist. Different kids, different abilities.

Some great mom or dad might be reading this, slightly concerned about his toddler, who isn’t talking as much as the books say, and fear that it’s the parents’ fault, that they did not do something enough. It’s mostly NOT that. Brains develop at their own pace. My barely-speaking at 3 son has caught up so much.

It’s true, though, that the brain has important windows for learning speech, and it’s important that one gets an evaluation soon, if a parent notices a delay. A pediatrician can help you get started.


8 posted on 01/04/2010 9:39:09 PM PST by Yaelle (thanking G-d for Rush Limbaugh's health)
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To: ransomnote
By the time they're 2 years old, they have a Facebook account and are txting.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

9 posted on 01/04/2010 9:40:09 PM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: combat_boots

I agree with you about the importance of being home with the child. But even in those wonderful circumstances, kids still have trouble sometimes.

Perhaps more trouble now than in decades past. It could be something affecting them neurologically. I would point to possibly environmental chemical pollutants found in the mother’s womb (by her exposure to them), or the many dangers lurking in the 20-something vaccines shot into the baby’s bloodstream by age 6 months. Far too many, with far too much crap in each, far too young.


10 posted on 01/04/2010 9:42:25 PM PST by Yaelle (thanking G-d for Rush Limbaugh's health)
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To: ransomnote

my youngest son had a 1,500 word vocabulary at 18 months... before he even spoke his first word when he was 10 months (which was “fan...” he pointed to a ceiling fan as he spoke it) he could show me his eyes, nose, mouth, teeth, tongue, fingers, hands, head, hair, tummy, legs, toes... he was six-months old when he came to live with us—we adopted him through the county... at six months he was said to be more like a four-month old... when they came to test him at one year (after being with us for six months) they could not believe how much he had advanced in such a short time... we talked, talked, talked with him... and showed and pointed things out to him... i taught him a lot of vocabulary by playing games with him... this is how i taught him phonics... he had no clue he was learning... to him it was all fun...


11 posted on 01/04/2010 9:44:05 PM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: KarlInOhio

It’s probably a made-up story, but suppossedly Einstein was a “late speaker”.
As the story goes, the parents asked him why he hadn’t spoken before.
And the young Einstein (here’s the punch line!) says “I didn’t have
anything to say.”


12 posted on 01/04/2010 9:46:05 PM PST by VOA
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To: Yaelle

I agree. I’veoften wondered if some of the weird s#!t I have was some kind of reaction.


13 posted on 01/04/2010 9:46:35 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah."Our middle regiment, Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: combat_boots
Working parents who put their babies in day care are just as likely to have a child whose speech develops late as those who leave their baby in front of the television.

Left mostly unattended at day care or in front of the TV makes little difference.

14 posted on 01/04/2010 9:52:57 PM PST by Ingtar (I closed my eyes, only for a moment, and the moment's gone...)
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To: irishtenor

Sometimes kids just have speech problems.

I have identical twin girls and neither of them talked until after they were 3. We found out that one of them has a brain injury (they were both high risk for a brain injury), but the other one doesn’t.

The one without a brain injury is 13 now. Before Christmas she was a lead in a school play. After the play, she said “I think I got over my speech problems.” She has. She’s also very smart.

The one with a brain injury still has speech problems, but most people just think she has some sort of foreign accent. Her reading is a little slow, and she is not a great writer, but overall she’s great.


15 posted on 01/04/2010 10:03:04 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: ransomnote
Kid who has never spoken:"Ugh! This food tastes terrible!"
Amazed Parent:"Good heavens...You Spoke!...Amazing!"
Kid:"Well, up until now, the food has been pretty good."

Old joke...tip your servers...I'll be here all week.
16 posted on 01/04/2010 10:09:52 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: All
My oldest was slightly speech delayed, but I wonder if that wasn't because of all of the terrible ear infections she had, plus three sets of ear tubes, plus and adenoidectomy, plus a tonsillectomy. She's finally healthy and talks a lot now, even though she speaks very softly and sounds like Donald Duck sometimes. Our little one has had no ear infections and just speaks up a storm with enormous volume too.
17 posted on 01/04/2010 10:16:23 PM PST by Walvoord
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To: ransomnote

I believe Albert Einstein was a slow developer.


18 posted on 01/04/2010 10:17:45 PM PST by RogerQ
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To: irishtenor

I believe you have pinned down one of several prime contributions to America’s dysfunctional learning process and failure to educate. I have noticed in several families were high TV, lax parenting and pop-culture norms are applied the children are socially, mentally and educationally lacking. Especially, where the children are diagnosed with some malady such as ADHD, Autism and get this one “Youthful Tendency Disorder” (YTD) and/or medicated. In many of these families, regimentation, supervision and discipline are seemingly to be in short supply. However, in two cases, one of hyperactivity the other a form of mild Autism, I noticed when interacting with their parents, they were not sure of what was being said or why certain behavior occurred at certain times. After listening to the children and watching them interact, I told the parents that they were emulating and speaking almost exactly like cartoon or child TV characters. The parents turned off the TVs, CDs and computer games…what a battle that was from what I was told; the improvements manifested shortly thereafter. In another case, of a moderate dysfunction, the child was diagnosed as having Autistic Characteristics. Shortly after, father relocated for employment, and was staying with a 72 year old aunt who lived on a small ranch where she raised five boys. After about 45 days this supposedly Autistic child was able to stay on task, speak reasonably well, could formulate whole sentences and was not acting-out. This improvement was attributed to no more than several hours a week of TV as a family event, no computer games or cartoons, plus had chores and had to play outside. The last I heard the child is making progress at a reasonable pace. I believe America’s crisis has more to do with fantasy entertainment, conveniences, laziness and inability to have a realistic/commonsense approach as a national mindset, direction and goals.


19 posted on 01/04/2010 10:21:53 PM PST by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: ransomnote

Amazing how many comments in the Times Online article had kids/parents/relatives with IQs higher than Einstein yet couldn’t talk. /sarc


20 posted on 01/04/2010 10:22:29 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: ntmxx

Some may poo-poo the idea, but my grandson was two months premature and weighed 3.1 pounds when born. He still started talking at about a year, and full sentences by two. He is now 5 and can carry on a conversation with an adult.
My kids refused to have a TV, and when they brought him over, we turned ours off, too. His “special” treat on his 3rd birthday was to watch his FIRST video. His father read to him out of the Bible and read the whole thing to him before he turned one.


21 posted on 01/04/2010 10:28:08 PM PST by irishtenor (Beer. God's way of making sure the Irish don't take over the world.)
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To: irishtenor

Glad to hear a positive result, such is not uncommon, less to no pop-culture and interlocking corporate media influence is healthy for growing children; keep up the good work.


22 posted on 01/04/2010 11:30:31 PM PST by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: Yaelle
My youngest did not talk until he was four. He is now getting ready to go to law school to get a second degree.

Some brains take a little more time to develop. At least it did in his case.

23 posted on 01/04/2010 11:34:58 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: KarlInOhio

hmmm....that looks interesting. My first daughter talked early, my second didn’t talk until she was two. And then it was her own language. Only her two year old sister and I had a clue what she was saying, and her big sister could interpret better than me. My two year old son hit two and started talking in complete sentences. I don’t know what the difference among the three really are.

I’m homeschooling the oldest now, and she’s easy. I can tell her brother will be an easy student. The middle one, she can count to one hundred but doesn’t know all her letters yet. She’s the main reason why I am homeschooling. She learns differently, and I haven’t been able to figure it out yet, and I’ve worked with her for four and a half years, I can’t expect a teacher to figure her out along with thirty other children within the next nine months.


24 posted on 01/04/2010 11:54:30 PM PST by mockingbyrd (Sarah speaks for me!)
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To: ransomnote

I just want to confirm that here in Northern California, there is indeed a push to put kids in daycare or preschool. We have twin 2 yo toddlers, and people are constantly asking not if, but when we plan to put them in preschool. My answer is “Never!” I never went to preschool myself and I see no reason why they need to — and a thousand reasons why they shouldn’t.


25 posted on 01/05/2010 12:26:56 AM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (PETRAEUS IN 2012 ..... PETRAEUS IN 2012 ..... PETRAEUS IN 2012!)
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To: Cold Heat

Exactly!! Dr. Sowell and Einstein didn’t speak until 3.


26 posted on 01/05/2010 12:31:01 AM PST by Yaelle (thanking G-d for Rush Limbaugh's health)
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To: combat_boots

You mean a reaction to vaccines you got in the military? Um, yeah, it could be. Adults are less fragile than newborns, but enough of that crap in you and it’s bound to cause a reaction.


27 posted on 01/05/2010 12:33:01 AM PST by Yaelle (thanking G-d for Rush Limbaugh's health)
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To: Yaelle

We have a child in our family who is extraordinarily bright at 2yrs. old. He’s a pointer. You can ask him about anything ..names of people, reading story books.. colors and numbers, and he’ll point to every one correctly..but he will not say them. And even Latin letters and numbers!

He does say Mama and Dada and thank you..it’s as though he sees no reason to say these words since an adult is showing them to him in the first place so why repeat them.

I feel too much of an issue is made on how soon children speak....if there are no health issues causing this then let them be...they’ll talk when they are ready.


28 posted on 01/05/2010 1:03:57 AM PST by caww
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To: ransomnote

Kids in our family are sitting in someones lap being read too and looking at pictures from early on. I’ll bet the biggest cause of poor language skills is disinterested parents.


29 posted on 01/05/2010 1:45:01 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: ransomnote

Perhaps these children are not speaking out of complete shock and inability to control even the smallest things in their lives so that they feel completely helpless to change things by speaking up and realize it’s worthless to do so, anyway-—oh, wait, I must be thinking of the mindset of AMERICAN VOTERS>>>>>>


30 posted on 01/05/2010 2:01:40 AM PST by browniexyz
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To: irishtenor

That’s great. My son’s not two yet, and he can say some simple sentences “Hi Daddy” and “Whatchoo doin’?”.

He does watch some TV—well, DVDs mostly. But I’m starting to see the logic in having no TV in the house at all.


31 posted on 01/05/2010 3:28:20 AM PST by Claud
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To: ransomnote
I have three grandkids living with me right now. Girl 1.5, boy 2.5, girl 3.5. They all talk but are sometimes very hard to understand. What's truly amazing is that when they talk to each other they always seem to understand what they are saying. When one of the kids talks to me, I often ask one of the others to “interpret”. Works sometimes.
32 posted on 01/05/2010 6:24:17 AM PST by pappyone (New to Freep, still working a tag line.)
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To: Yaelle

Dennis Prager has said that he was a late talker. His uncle thought he was retarded.


33 posted on 01/05/2010 7:39:56 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: ransomnote

My grand-daughter will be 18 months on Jan 8. she has been taken care of by her mom, and by both her grandmothers when Mom is working.

D-I-L is Columbian and bi-lingual, her mom speaks only Spanish when Elly is with her.

Without a day of day care or any other government sponsored bullcrap - Elly is talking in full sentences already, and doing it in both english and Spanish. If fact she will point to something and say what it is in both languages, and is now teaching Paw-paw and Nana spanish.


34 posted on 01/05/2010 7:44:02 AM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: ransomnote

I didn’t talk until I was seven, then one day I finally said to my parents during dinner, “I don’t like Spinach.”

Then my parents asked me, “Why did it take you so long to talk,” and I told them, “Well up to now I haven’t had any complaints.”


35 posted on 01/05/2010 7:45:11 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: ransomnote

Great. Now my wife is getting flustered that our 20-month-old isn’t talking yet. Give kids some time before getting bent out of shape about the issue! This little girl clearly understands language well, following complex directions; my guess is she’ll just start talking whole sentences when she’s ready (soon).

Methinks the article is a statistical mess, making a big deal about vague interpretations of poorly collected data. It’s written to instill hysteria.


36 posted on 01/05/2010 7:50:34 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Virtue is to be apologized for. Depravity commands respect. - Galt)
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To: caww

One of my newphews is the same. He is a chatterbox now.


37 posted on 01/05/2010 7:59:06 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Most interesting man in the world.)
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To: Cold Heat

Going to law school is proof of brain damage.

(Disclosure: I am a lawyer...)

My son is a late talker, too. So was one of my brothers. The other brother spoke in complete sentences at 12 months. Sometimes kids need to be left alone to have their differences.

My son started speaking a whole lot better a month after we broke down and started letting him watch more TV.


39 posted on 01/08/2010 7:08:36 AM PST by ReagansShinyHair
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Going to law school is proof of brain damage.

I can't say I disagree...lol

Actually he really just wants the degree. It was my idea. He plans to go into law enforcement and has a degree in criminal justice. I thought it would help him a lot and open more doors if he had a post grad law degree as well.

He was behind the curve for most of his growing up. He played with younger kids for example.

IIRC, I had some of the same issues as a kid but was forced to grow up by circumstances and being the oldest of three. The boy I am talking about is the youngest of three and he took his time because he did not have to rush.

A bit lazy too....lol

40 posted on 01/08/2010 8:56:21 AM PST by Cold Heat
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