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ITALY SAID TO HAVE PLEDGED AID TO HUNGARY IF ATTACKED (1/9/40)
Microfiche-New York Times archives, McHenry Library, U.C. Santa Cruz | 1/9/40 | Harold Denny, Turner Catledge, Warren Moscow

Posted on 01/09/2010 4:45:25 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: milhist; realtime; worldwarii
Free Republic University, Department of History presents World War II Plus 70 Years: Seminar and Discussion Forum
First session: September 1, 2009. Last date to add: September 2, 2015.
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1 posted on 01/09/2010 4:45:26 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson
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2 posted on 01/09/2010 4:46:35 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: r9etb; PzLdr; dfwgator; Paisan; From many - one.; rockinqsranch; GRRRRR; 2banana; henkster; ...
Lots of domestic news today. Sometimes it just works out that way. Check out the advertisement at #3.

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Test for Election – 7-9
For This Meal Democrats Paid $100 in the Capital – 9
The International Situation – 9
Miss Perkins Drops Move to deport Bridges In Accepting Landis Report on ‘Red’ Charge – 9
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3 posted on 01/09/2010 4:48:49 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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http://www.onwar.com/chrono/1940/jan40/f09jan40.htm

Third British sub lost in Heligoland
Tuesday, January 9, 1940 www.onwar.com

In the North Sea... A German minesweeper depth charges the Royal Navy submarine Starfish in the Heligoland Bight. The sub is scuttled afterwards. Following this third incident, British submarine operations in the Heligoland Bight are temporarily suspended. Meanwhile, off the southeast coast of England, the British ocean liner Dunbar Castle is minded and sunk.

In Britain... Prime Minister Chamberlain makes the first in a series of “morale-boosting” speeches by Cabinet Ministers. Meanwhile, there is public surprise that, after only 4 months of war, the British employment figure for January stands at 1.6 million (about 120,000 higher than the average for 1939). This increase is despite of the call-up of 1.5 million men for military duty.

In France... The first colonial contingent, of Cypriot troops, arrives to reinforce the British Expeditionary Force.

In Berlin... The West Prussian SS chief reports the successful elimination of 4000 incurable mental patients in Poland.


4 posted on 01/09/2010 5:19:28 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.etherington/month/thismonth/09.htm

January 9th, 1940
UNITED KINGDOM: After four months of war, the British unemployment figure for January stands at 1,603,000. Despite the call-up of over 1,500,000 men, the unemployed have increased by 12,000 over the average for the last year.

The harsh winter weather is partly responsible, by reducing outdoor employment, together with a slump in the building trade. because of government restrictions on civil building and the shortage of timber, 250,000 building workers have been laid off. Germany states that it has only 18,000 unemployed.

RAF Fighter Command: Unescorted merchant ships in the North Sea are attacked by an unknown number of Luftwaffe aircraft. Three British vessels are sunk; two Danish vessels are damaged; many casualties.

RAF Bomber Command: 4 Grp. 77 Sqn. Reconnaissance - Rheine, Emmerich, Hamm and Osnabruck. Two aircraft. Opposition slight.

102 Sqn. ‘Security Patrols’ - Hornum and Borkum. Four aircraft. Flarepath bombed. Opposition light.

Destroyer HMS Fernie launched. (Dave Shirlaw)

NORTH SEA: S class submarine HMS Starfish attempts an attack on German minesweeper M7, but due to faulty drill, no torpedoes are actually fired. After a number of depthcharge attackes by the minesweeper and some other vessels, conditions inside the submarine become serious, and while attempting to surface after dark, Starfish found herself under machine gun fire from enemy vessels on either bow. The commander decides to abandon the submarine and scuttles in the North Sea southwest of Heligoland. This is the third RN submarine to be lost within as many days. Submarine operations in the area are abandoned. (Alex Gordon)(108)

ENGLISH CHANNEL: The British ocean liner SS Dunbar Castle is mined and sunk off the southeast coast of England. It is feared that 152 people have lost their lives. (Jack McKillop)

FRANCE: The first colonial contingent, of Cypriot troops arrives to reinforce the BEF.

GERMANY: The West Prussian SS chief reports the successful “elimination” of 4,000 incurable mental patients in Poland.

ATLANTIC OCEAN: At 0221, SS Manx was hit by one torpedo from U-19 off Kinnaird Head and sank within two minutes. Eight survivors managed to grab hold of an upturned lifeboat, but were scantily clad and in the stormy weather four of them gave up. After 8 hours the remaining four survivors were picked up by the Norwegian steam merchant Leka along with two men rescued from a raft. (Dave Shirlaw)


5 posted on 01/09/2010 5:20:24 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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http://www.maritimequest.com/daily_event_archive/2009/01_jan/09_mv_dunbar_castle.htm

Sailing from England to Beira, Mozambique the Union-Castle Line’s 10,002 ton passenger ship Dunbar Castle
hit a mine 7 miles from Ramsgate on Jan. 9, 1940. She was in convoy OA-69 which was to join up with another
convoy after getting into the Atlantic. All told there were 150 crewmen and 48 passengers including 9 children
and the pilot on board when she left.

Soon after the explosion she began to list making launching the boats difficult, but the crew managed to get all
the passengers except one in to them and away. Most of the crew also made it into the boats, but several had
been killed by the explosion including the master. Others in the galley were scalded and died of their injuries.

One passenger and several crewmen were missing after a head count was made, none were found alive. The
pilot had been injured and a race horse that had been on deck was knocked into the sea. Thirty minuets after
striking the mine the Dunbar Castle settled on the bottom on an even keel. In all ten lives were lost.

As the master was mortally wounded the man in charge of evacuating the ship was Chief Officer Herbert H.
Robinson, for his actions in getting the boats away and maintaining order during the ordeal he was awarded
the OBE in March 1940.

Although reports of the sinking state that the ship broke in two the photograph does not support this. The wreck
was demolished following the war. Dunbar Castle was the first war loss for the Union-Castle Line in World War
2.


6 posted on 01/09/2010 5:23:25 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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MV DUNBAR CASTLE

http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewship.asp?id=550

7 posted on 01/09/2010 5:24:33 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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UNITED KINGDOM: After four months of war, the British unemployment figure for January stands at 1,603,000. Despite the call-up of over 1,500,000 men, the unemployed have increased by 12,000 over the average for the last year.

The harsh winter weather is partly responsible, by reducing outdoor employment, together with a slump in the building trade. because of government restrictions on civil building and the shortage of timber, 250,000 building workers have been laid off. Germany states that it has only 18,000 unemployed.

In an early chapter of "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich," Shirer says that the Nazis handled the unemployment problem in a direct way. They matched all the unemployed with businesses and declared that "you now work for this company." End of problem. Obama might consider this method if our unemployement figures don't improve.

8 posted on 01/09/2010 5:32:48 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Day 41 of the Winter War, January 9, 1940


Northern Finland: another crushing Finnish victory is recorded in the north, this time at Suomussalmi. A second enemy division is destroyed as Finnish troops push onwards to the border.
Photo: SA-KUVA

Soviet assault fails in Ladoga Karelia


9 posted on 01/09/2010 5:33:38 AM PST by CougarGA7 (In order to dream of the future, we need to remember the past. - Bartov)
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I love this feature. I can’t wait until 2011 when the fascinating eastern front will be coming into play.


10 posted on 01/09/2010 6:00:35 AM PST by toddausauras
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My father escaped from Hungary in 1956 and came to the US.

He tells me repeatedly that they were told of pledged help from Europe and the CIA if they rose up against the communists.

Of course, none of it came and they were crushed.

Pitchforks vs tanks.


11 posted on 01/09/2010 6:15:22 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

bumpster


12 posted on 01/09/2010 6:38:00 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: toddausauras
I can’t wait until 2011 when the fascinating eastern front will be coming into play.

2010 will be plenty eventful. Hitler has some preliminary work to do in the west before he heads for Moscow.

13 posted on 01/09/2010 8:14:08 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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True. The Western and Northern Blitkriegs were certainly eventful.


14 posted on 01/09/2010 9:01:07 AM PST by toddausauras
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I just did a search for that movie ‘The Sinking of the Graf Spee’, hoping it was on YouTube but came up empty. It’s gotta be around somewhere.


15 posted on 01/09/2010 9:06:36 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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By the way, the “Representative Kennedy” from New York who opened the anti-lynching bill debate was Martin John Kennedy, no relation to the famous Kennedy family as far as I can tell.


16 posted on 01/09/2010 9:21:52 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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Harry Bridges should have been shot. He was an NKVD asset.


17 posted on 01/09/2010 9:24:10 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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Case Yellow is, IMHO, one of the five greatest military campaigns in history [probably #2].


18 posted on 01/09/2010 9:27:18 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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"He tells me repeatedly that they were told of pledged help from Europe and the CIA if they rose up against the communists."

I don't know most details of the 1956 uprising in Hungary:

"The U.S. President, Dwight Eisenhower, was aware of a detailed study of Hungarian resistance which recommended against U.S. military intervention, and of earlier policy discussions within the National Security Council which focused upon encouraging discontent in Soviet satellite nations only by economic policies and political rhetoric.

"In a 1998 interview, Hungarian Ambassador Géza Jeszenszky was critical of Western inaction in 1956, citing the influence of the United Nations at that time and giving the example of UN intervention in Korea from 1950 to 1953.

"During the uprising, the Radio Free Europe (RFE) Hungarian-language programs broadcast news of the political and military situation, as well as appealing to Hungarians to fight the Soviet forces, including tactical advice on resistance methods.

"After the Soviet suppression of the revolution, RFE was criticized for having misled the Hungarian people that NATO or United Nations would intervene if the citizens continued to resist."

What I do know is that President Eisenhower was Roosevelt's choice to command allied forces, and he accepted FDR's basic deal with Stalin: the Soviets got a free hand in Eastern Europe.

Remember, this deal was first made early in the war, at a time when Hitler controlled virtually all of Europe. So Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin agreed amongst themselves -- when the war was over, the Soviets would get the East, the western allies the rest of Europe.

The poor Hungarians didn't get the word. Reminds me of today's Iranian protestors appealing to President Obama for help, asking: are you with us or with them? I'm told, in Iranian, that's a word play on his name.

Well, "Eisenhower" comes from the German for iron worker. But like President Obama, Eisenhower did very little to confront the empire of Russia's "man of steel."

19 posted on 01/09/2010 9:44:04 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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What the Americans did was worse than inaction. Franco wanted to supply the freedom fighters with anti-tank guns via air drops. He needed to refuel the planes at western air bases, however. The Americans refused to allow the Spanish to land for refueling. So the betrayal was active, not passive.


20 posted on 01/09/2010 9:48:34 AM PST by PAR35
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To: PzLdr

What would you put at #1?


21 posted on 01/09/2010 9:56:24 AM PST by toddausauras
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Mongol invasion of Eastern Europe, 1241.


22 posted on 01/09/2010 10:03:13 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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That’s going back! Zooming ahead a little I’ve always been fascinated with Kharkov because it changed hands 3 times between 41-43 or so.


23 posted on 01/09/2010 10:23:00 AM PST by toddausauras
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Aside from Case Yellow, my favorite WW II camapaign is Rommel’s 1942 operation starting at Gazala, and ending with hustling the Brits out of Mersa Matruh. For sheer size, you can’t beat the Kiev encirclement of 1941.


24 posted on 01/09/2010 10:29:32 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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Eisenhower was George Marshall’s choice to command Overlord [when Roosevelt wouldn’t give the job to Marshall]. FDR went along with Marshall’s choice.


25 posted on 01/09/2010 10:32:11 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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Yeah, with roughly half a million Russkies imprisoned no wonder Hitler was overconfident after and during Kiev.


26 posted on 01/09/2010 10:51:14 AM PST by toddausauras
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"Eisenhower was George Marshall’s choice to command Overlord [when Roosevelt wouldn’t give the job to Marshall]. FDR went along with Marshall’s choice."

Marshall recommended. Roosevelt reviewed the recommendation, met with Eisenhower to evaluate him and decided it was a good choice.

Eisenhower demonstrated on a number of occasions that he was Roosevelt's man. His decision in 1945 not to contest the Russians for Berlin comes to mind, as does his refusal to support Hungarian freedom fighters in 1956.

Indeed, now that I'm thinking about it, ask yourself this question: who was the greater anti-Communist -- Democrat President Truman or Republican President Eisenhower?

Sort of makes you think... was Eisenhower more of a Roosevelt-man than Truman?

27 posted on 01/09/2010 12:13:18 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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I just did a search for that movie ‘The Sinking of the Graf Spee’, hoping it was on YouTube but came up empty. It’s gotta be around somewhere.

I thought I had it with a google search that turned up a WPA site. But it kept telling me "error when loading."

28 posted on 01/09/2010 1:03:50 PM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: BroJoeK
Eisenhower was, IMO, the greater anticommunist [and that ain't saying much]. Stopped the Communist takeover in one of the central American countries [Arbenez?]. Prevented leftists from taking over Iran. Made a plan [disastrously modified by the Camelot boys] to invade Cuba, and overthrow Castro.

Truman? Acquiesced in Stalin's takeover of Poland. Didn't raise a finger against the left wing coup in Czechoslovakia. Along with his Sec/Def., Louis Johnson, cut the U.S military’s budget to the bone [Harry didn't like the regular Army much], so that when Korea started up [due to Dean Acheson's big mouth], the Army was incapable of fighting T-34s. Fought the first war whose aim was a draw in Korea. Told by Whittaker Chambers that Alger Hiss was a Soviet agent [introduced by Adolf Berle]. Refused to act based on political considerations, choosing to ease Hiss over to the Carnegie Trust instead of prosecuting him for espionage/ treason. Refused to move on a large number of Soviet agents in the U.S government besides Hiss.

Both have pluses. Both have minuses. Ike's pluses, too me, outweigh Harry's.

29 posted on 01/09/2010 2:01:51 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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"Both have pluses. Both have minuses. Ike's pluses, too me, outweigh Harry's."

You didn't mention China, which was lost on Truman's watch. But I couldn't argue that Eisenhower would have prevented the defeat of Chiang Kai-shek.

In defense of President Truman:

Of course I agree that Truman did nothing more than defend the terms already agreed to by Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin -- i.e., the Russians get Poland and Czechoslovakia. But defend them he did -- Containment was Truman's policy.

Reviewing Korea: the North invaded on June 25, 1950.
On July 5, the first American battle, Osan, resulted in a US battalion sized infantry unit's defeat. Task Force Smith of the 24th Infantry Division fell back towards Pusan because they had neither tanks nor effective anti-tank weapons.

"Meanwhile, US garrisons in Japan continually dispatched soldiers and material to reinforce the Pusan Perimeter. Tank battalions deployed to Korea from San Francisco (in the continental US); by late August, the Pusan Perimeter had some 500 medium tanks.

"In early September 1950, ROK Army and UN Command forces were prepared—they out-numbered the KPA 180,000 to 100,000 soldiers, and then counterattacked...

"...Countering the initial combat imbalance, the US and UN Command reinforcement materiel included heavier US M4 Sherman, M26 Pershing, M46 Patton, and British Cromwell and Centurion tanks that proved effective against North Korean armor, ending its battlefield dominance.

"Unlike in the Second World War (1939–45), in which the tank proved a decisive weapon, the Korean War featured few large-scale tank battles. The mountainous, heavily-forested terrain prevented large masses of tanks from maneuvering. In Korea, tanks served largely as infantry support."

Point is: in June 1950 the Truman administration did not expect, and Truman's military was not prepared, to defend South Korea. It took the military a few months to change their plans.

Bottom line: Truman did more actual fighting against Communists than Eisenhower.
Neither president crossed the lines of agreement set by Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin during the Second World War.

30 posted on 01/09/2010 7:23:27 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: PzLdr
Case Yellow is, IMHO, one of the five greatest military campaigns in history [probably #2].

Not at this moment it isn't. But after tomorrow there will be reason to spruce it up some. Then it will be something really impressive.

31 posted on 01/10/2010 12:44:00 AM PST by CougarGA7 (In order to dream of the future, we need to remember the past. - Bartov)
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