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Good Westerns. John Wayne and James Arness Were Never Replaced. Are Westerns Dead in America?
Associated Content ^ | 1-11-2010 | Sherry Tomfeld

Posted on 01/11/2010 11:34:55 AM PST by stillafreemind

Not only are there no stand outs as far as actors go, but writers don't seem to be able to come up with an interesting western story line without nudity, extreme violence and horrible language. Why is that? How did Gunsmoke last those many years without nudity? A shy grin, wink and a nod between Matt Dillon and Kitty was sufficient and somehow much more palatable than seeing them rip clothes off and get down to business.

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I confess. I am a Western junkie. I have found no cure!
1 posted on 01/11/2010 11:34:58 AM PST by stillafreemind
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To: stillafreemind

Yes. And Gene Hackman killed them.


2 posted on 01/11/2010 11:35:56 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: stillafreemind

I used to love westerns, but it seems (to me) that real heroes like that became unpopular. I think maybe it had to do with the whole idea that America was not particularly good.


3 posted on 01/11/2010 11:39:09 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: stillafreemind

Lomesome Dove?
Outlaw Josey Wells?
The Unforgiven?
Open Range?


4 posted on 01/11/2010 11:39:12 AM PST by daniel boob (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: stillafreemind
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5 posted on 01/11/2010 11:39:24 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: All

Shane, The Searchers, Man Who Shot Liberty Valence, Josey Wales......could go on forever...


6 posted on 01/11/2010 11:39:33 AM PST by Maverick68 (w)
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To: stillafreemind

The remake of 3:10 to Yuma was extremely good. It was kinda violent ... but then, so was the old west. I don’t recall nudity in it — but, I’m very pro-naked, so I wouldn’t see that as much of a downside.

SnakeDoc


7 posted on 01/11/2010 11:40:18 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Life is tough; it's tougher if you're stupid. -- John Wayne)
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To: stillafreemind

Perhaps the settings will change from one frontier, the old American West, to another, namely space settlements. The 1979 (?) film “Outland” was a fairly close homage to “High Noon.”


8 posted on 01/11/2010 11:40:29 AM PST by pogo101
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To: stillafreemind

Writers spew out the mindless trash today becaue they have no background in honest to goodness writing. Nor do they have the historical (dumbed down school, history etc). What they do write reflects their own lifestyle, and that ain’t pretty.


9 posted on 01/11/2010 11:41:02 AM PST by handmade
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To: stillafreemind
There used to be good guys in the world, and bad guys. The code of law was simple, it wasn't nuanced -- you knew who was bad. Bad guys needed to be punished, and that's what the good guys were there for -- swift justice. A man's word meant something, people had a right to be left alone, and most folks were afraid of God. Men were men, and women were women.

The Left wasn't going to make any progress at all if society held to those values -- so they spent a few decades sweeping it all away.

And here we are.

10 posted on 01/11/2010 11:41:19 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (We have the 1st so that we can call on people to rebel. We have 2nd so that they can.)
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To: daniel boob

I understand your list. But the Eastwood ones are pretty bad when it comes to just violence for violence sake. I do enjoy the Lonesome Dove series though.


11 posted on 01/11/2010 11:42:44 AM PST by stillafreemind
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To: ClearCase_guy

You have presented a very “clear case”! I so agree.


12 posted on 01/11/2010 11:43:26 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: stillafreemind

The best Western I’ve seen lately is the remake of 3:10 to Yuma with Aussie Cowboy Russell Crowe.


13 posted on 01/11/2010 11:43:50 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: stillafreemind

Clint Eastwood...Unforgiven. Open Range. Lonesome Dove.


14 posted on 01/11/2010 11:43:51 AM PST by Mariner
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To: stillafreemind

I thought Lonesome Dove was awesome too. I’d like to add Tombstone with Kurt Russell, Silverado and Unforgiven.


15 posted on 01/11/2010 11:44:06 AM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. ~ rintense, 2006)
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To: Maverick68

My all time favorite Western:

“The Professionals”

Loved Lee Marvin!!! That guy was a blue ribbon bad a#@!!


16 posted on 01/11/2010 11:44:32 AM PST by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think. " Adolph Hitler)
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To: daniel boob

“Silverado” was wonderful — but that was 1985.


17 posted on 01/11/2010 11:45:00 AM PST by Malacoda (CO(NH2)2 on OBAMA.)
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To: daniel boob

Open Range...best gun fight finale, ever!


18 posted on 01/11/2010 11:45:22 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: stillafreemind

I think the decline of westerns is partially due to the rise of insidious political correctness. No longer is it OK to use words like “Indian”, “Injun”, “Chinamen”, etc and it’s certainly not PC to show women in being little more than servants or prostitutes (the occasional Annie Oakley aside). Hearing Wayne complain about ‘Native Americans who only want to peacefully co-exist’ just isn’t quite the same thing, ya know?

Plus, the whole thing about how politically-incorrect and damaging to little Tommy and Janey a good old-fashioned GUNFIGHT at high noon is. Oh no!! A gun!!

I cannot emphasize how much I hate “PC” and am just trying to help answer your question.


19 posted on 01/11/2010 11:45:30 AM PST by Longdriver
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To: stillafreemind

20 posted on 01/11/2010 11:45:40 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Huskrrrr
"Your Fault, My Fault, Nobody's Fault, I'm Gonna Blow Your Head Off!"

-Big Jake-

21 posted on 01/11/2010 11:46:13 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: stillafreemind

Maybe they should play Cowboys & Muslims?


22 posted on 01/11/2010 11:46:16 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: stillafreemind

Turn on speakers

http://www.oldfortyfives.com/thoseoldwesterns.htm


23 posted on 01/11/2010 11:47:49 AM PST by Gun142 (Where Will You Be When You Get Where You're Going? -- Jerry Clower)
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To: Puppage
Maybe they should play Cowboys & Muslims?

I thought they were playing the Vikings.

24 posted on 01/11/2010 11:47:57 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
I thought they were playing the Vikings.

Now THAT'S funny

25 posted on 01/11/2010 11:48:51 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: daniel boob

Kind of a very far south western.

Quigley Down Under.


26 posted on 01/11/2010 11:49:18 AM PST by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: stillafreemind

Josey Wells is violent - but justifiable because of the gruesome way his family died.

The movie tells a good story of what was happening to the north and south (and thise caught between the two).

It was not, IMO, violence for violence sakes - no more than The Patriot, Saving Pvt. Ryan, We were Soliders or Braveheart (to name a few) were.


27 posted on 01/11/2010 11:49:20 AM PST by daniel boob (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: stillafreemind

The Western was killed by revisionist directors who wanted to make movies about how evil America was and is. It’s hard to watch that great American icon, the cowboy, turned into a venal, hate-filled monster.


28 posted on 01/11/2010 11:49:34 AM PST by Dr. Thorne (Buy Gold and Guns Now!)
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To: stillafreemind

I love the series Bonanza. In fact my wife and I went to the 50th anniversary convention at Lake Tahoe this past summer.


29 posted on 01/11/2010 11:50:10 AM PST by anoldafvet (As of 12/24/2009, no more democrats elected - ever)
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To: Longdriver

I agree with you and think you hit the PC button on the head. We live in a SMALL and RURAL area. At Halloween, our neighbor boy dressed up as a cowboy. Hat, boots and little six shooters. Home he was sent. His mother said there was no way that they could get him to understand why they sent him home.


30 posted on 01/11/2010 11:50:20 AM PST by stillafreemind
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To: stillafreemind
In the younger generation of males in acting, they are all girly men..I love a good western also, but the actors of today cannot manage to be men. The settling of this country was not done by metro-sexual men..Too PC for me. Not believable in the parts.

Never did like pretty boys like Montgomery Cliff. A face with character that doesn't have baby butt soft skin looks is a man. not a girly man..

31 posted on 01/11/2010 11:51:56 AM PST by goat granny
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To: stillafreemind

Clint Eastwood..........spaghetti western king


32 posted on 01/11/2010 11:52:28 AM PST by joe fonebone (A third party does need the majority to control the house...they only need 10%)
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To: stillafreemind

33 posted on 01/11/2010 11:54:17 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: pogo101

Outland was great, but Sean Connerly is one of those men that are not girly men..


34 posted on 01/11/2010 11:54:26 AM PST by goat granny
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To: stillafreemind

I have often wondered why the western genre has dissappeared, and my opinion is the western is dead because today’s Hollywood leading men all look like boys not like men. I can easily believe a western storyline when watching John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, Jack Pallance, Jimmy Stewart, Hank Fonda, et.al, but put a Johnny Depp, Leonardo DeCaprio, Mark Wahlberg or Brad Pitt in one and it would become a farce. My impression is the male leads of the 1940s through late 1960s looked like men and could believeably play “cowboys, cavalrymen, and bank robbers”. Today, with the exception of Tommy Lee Jones and Robert Duvall, most actors seem like pretty pussies.


35 posted on 01/11/2010 11:55:11 AM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: handmade
You got that right...bad writing and throw in a naked woman and your a great writer
36 posted on 01/11/2010 11:56:07 AM PST by goat granny
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To: TexasCajun

“Get’em dog.”

Big Jake


37 posted on 01/11/2010 11:56:31 AM PST by Nakota
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To: stillafreemind

Tom Selleck and Robert Duvall are about as close as you’ll come to John Wayne I think.

Crossfire Trail
Open Range
Broken Trail
Geronimo
Monte Walsh
Last Stand at Saber River
Quigley Down Under - same director as Lonesome Dove
Lonesome Dove - all-time favorite


38 posted on 01/11/2010 11:56:41 AM PST by rednesss (fascism is the union,marriage,merger or fusion of corporate economic power with governmental power)
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To: daniel boob

Open Range? liberal crap


39 posted on 01/11/2010 11:56:53 AM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards,com)
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To: pogo101
Perhaps the settings will change from one frontier, the old American West, to another, namely space settlements. The 1979 (?) film “Outland” was a fairly close homage to “High Noon.”

Spot on.

40 posted on 01/11/2010 11:57:37 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: stillafreemind
horrible language

Well... excuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me!

41 posted on 01/11/2010 11:57:49 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: stillafreemind

“Are Westerns Dead in America?”
************
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The sixties, drugs, hippies and their generations of offspring have answered that for us!

The old westerns soon to be even remembered by only a very small remnant of old American dinosaurs...


42 posted on 01/11/2010 11:57:52 AM PST by gunnyg (Just An Old Gunny ~ And *Still* Not A F'n Commie Basterd!)
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To: SnakeDoctor

Agreed. Remake of “3:10 to Yuma” was a really good movie.


43 posted on 01/11/2010 11:58:25 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: goat granny

There are actually a few guys-guy actors still out there — Russell Crowe, Bruce Willis, Gerard Butler, Christian Bale, Mel Gibson. Check out 3:10 to Yuma (with Crowe and Bale) ... best modern Western I’ve seen in a while.

Believe it or not — Leonardo DiCaprio has actually been in some really good guys-guy (not girly/metrosexual), roles lately (The Departed, Blood Diamond, Body of Lies, etc.) DiCaprio is one of those actors I want to dislike ... but he keeps doing reasonably good movies.

SnakeDoc


44 posted on 01/11/2010 11:58:48 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Life is tough; it's tougher if you're stupid. -- John Wayne)
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To: stillafreemind

The writer of this article is a maroon to not recognize that Eastwood carried the Banner for excellent Western movies after John Wayne and James Arness. I know if a good Western comes on (i.e. any old John Wayne and Clint Eastwood movie) it is a guarantee that my butt is parked for the next 2 or 3 hours. The Searchers and The Outlaw Joesy Wales remain my favorite westerns of all time.

Te big question is....Who will keep the Western tradition and follow in Clint’s footsteps.


45 posted on 01/11/2010 12:00:13 PM PST by ohioman
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46 posted on 01/11/2010 12:00:54 PM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: stillafreemind

I have to put in a word for Sam Raimi’s The Quick and the Dead. Yes, it’s over the top and a bit cartoony, but I can’t take my eyes off it whenever it’s on the tube. For the type of movie it is, it’s perfectly made.


47 posted on 01/11/2010 12:02:02 PM PST by denydenydeny (The Left sees taxpayers the way Dr Frankenstein saw the local cemetery; raw material for experiments)
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To: stillafreemind

One could argue that “Avatar” is simply a western wherein the peace-loving, educated, socially-advanced Indians are blue and the cowboys are psychotic, drooling murderers a la “Little Big Man,” surely one of the most loathsome attacks upon the U.S. ever to slither out from a Hollywood studio.


48 posted on 01/11/2010 12:02:55 PM PST by pabianice
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To: stillafreemind

“Are Westerns Dead in America?” For sure!

Brokeback Mountain is what the West has become.


49 posted on 01/11/2010 12:04:56 PM PST by WinMod70
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To: SnakeDoctor
I’m very pro-naked, so I wouldn’t see that as much of a downside.

Indeed. You'd see it as more of a backside.

50 posted on 01/11/2010 12:04:59 PM PST by Erasmus (She was a BBC newsreader, marrying above her station.)
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