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MsLady | Jan. 16, 2010 | MsLady

Posted on 01/16/2010 4:13:14 PM PST by MsLady

We haven't received our census questionnaire yet. But, my poor mother did. She lives in another state. She old and become rather frail and it takes her time to do things. When I spoke to her today, she said she spent all day filling it out. I told her, I know for a fact that all of those questions are illegal for them to ask except how many individuals live in your house. Is there any other questions that we are suppose to answer but, that one?


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1 posted on 01/16/2010 4:13:19 PM PST by MsLady
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To: MsLady

The USC is explicit on their being a census but silent on its content.

My advice is to just lie — it is more satisfying.


2 posted on 01/16/2010 4:15:17 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: MsLady

r/their/there/

*doh*


3 posted on 01/16/2010 4:16:02 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

Naw, I’m not lying about anything, I just want to make sure that legally the only question we have to answer is, how many people are living in your home. There maybe one other question you have to answer about age, I just can’t remember, but, I know all the other questions are unconstitutional. You don’t have to answer them.


4 posted on 01/16/2010 4:18:22 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: MsLady

There is only 10 questions on the form this year. Check a few boxes basically and that’s it. Click the following to see them.

http://2010.census.gov/2010census/how/interactive-form.php


5 posted on 01/16/2010 4:19:07 PM PST by deport (45 DAYS UNTIL THE TEXAS PRIMARY....... MARCH 2, 2010)
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To: freedumb2003

I would have never noticed the difference...lol I am the worlds worst speller.


6 posted on 01/16/2010 4:19:48 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: freedumb2003

I had this experience last time. I answered the long form with only the number of people in my household. I was pestered for a while, but nothing I couldn’t ignore. Then they gave up.


7 posted on 01/16/2010 4:19:52 PM PST by Kanzan
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To: freedumb2003

Omitting is legal; lying is fraudulent...no?


8 posted on 01/16/2010 4:20:45 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: MsLady

Are you sure this is the Census form? I don’t think it has been mailed as of yet.... check on that if you can.

http://2010.census.gov/2010census/how/about-the-form.php

In areas served by the United States Postal Service, postal workers will deliver the initial mailing in mid-March 2010. In all other areas, census takers will deliver the form packages between March 1 and April 30, 2010.


9 posted on 01/16/2010 4:21:20 PM PST by deport (45 DAYS UNTIL THE TEXAS PRIMARY....... MARCH 2, 2010)
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To: deport

My mother must have gotten some long form. She said they wanted to know her income, how much her utilities were...and on and on. I think how much taxes she pays. I can’t remember them all but, sounds like there was a bunch.


10 posted on 01/16/2010 4:21:20 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: Kanzan

That’s what I thought I remembered doing last time. Just answered the number of people living in the home. But, it’s been 10 years, so I wasn’t sure. I believe the rest of the questions are illegal for them to ask.


11 posted on 01/16/2010 4:22:56 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: MsLady

Maybe we should all say we’re considering converting to “Amish”, since they won’t be required to buy health insurance.


12 posted on 01/16/2010 4:23:12 PM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch ( T.G., global warming denier.)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

I would except I don’t think I could stand living like they do....lol Then on the other hand......


13 posted on 01/16/2010 4:25:11 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: freedumb2003

**My advice is to just lie — it is more satisfying.**

The “FIne” for LYING on a Census Form is BIGGER than refusing to answer.

I will announce how many live in my house... the rest I’ll tell THEM to fill it out... YOU ACORN B******* are going to do that ANY WAY .. so why should I WASTE MY TIME.


14 posted on 01/16/2010 4:25:59 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (OBAMA ... Orwell's 1984 was a WARNING ... NOT a TEXTBOOK!!!)
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To: MsLady

Over the past years, I’ve had great fun arguing with the census workers when they come to find out why I didn’t fill all the questions out.

Most of the poor saps are only people who are looking for an easy, temporary job. But occasionally, you get a true believer. They’re a hoot.


15 posted on 01/16/2010 4:27:09 PM PST by wolfpat (Moderate=Clueless)
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To: gwilhelm56

>>The “FIne” for LYING on a Census Form is BIGGER than refusing to answer.<<

How would they know?


16 posted on 01/16/2010 4:27:09 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: MsLady

I like reading old census reports, especially about my parents and other family members. It gives a good picture of what was going on then. It was 1850 before the U.S. censuses started listing the names of all the family members, and that’s much more interesting than the previous censuses. I wish past censuses had given much more information than they did. What’s the harm? Future generations will be interested.


17 posted on 01/16/2010 4:31:17 PM PST by Savage Beast (If you throw a rock over a fence, itÂ’s the hit dog that hollers. -Mike Huckabee)
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To: freedumb2003

I never said I knew .. but the IDIOTS AT GOVT Seem to think so.. stupid *****!!

Lying is the BEST they can hope for coming from my mouth, ... as I have been called many things, but Politically Correct has NEVER been one of them.

I once used the “N” word to get out of JURY DUTY... I HATE to think what I’d say to some ACORN with a Clipboard.


18 posted on 01/16/2010 4:31:51 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (OBAMA ... Orwell's 1984 was a WARNING ... NOT a TEXTBOOK!!!)
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To: gwilhelm56

>>I once used the “N” word to get out of JURY DUTY... I HATE to think what I’d say to some ACORN with a Clipboard.<<

If you get a chance, audio record it. Sounds like it would be a blast.


19 posted on 01/16/2010 4:36:25 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: MsLady
My mother must have gotten some long form. She said they wanted to know her income, how much her utilities were...and on and on. I think how much taxes she pays. I can’t remember them all but, sounds like there was a bunch.

That sounds like the American Community Survey. The Census Bureau took so much flak at giving the long form to 1/6 of the households in 2000, they decided to sneak it through a few hundred thousand households per month. If you don't answer it they'll send you a second one and a letter. Then the second month they will call you. Then during the third month a fraction of those who haven't turned it in will get personal visits. Then after that they go away.

20 posted on 01/16/2010 4:37:58 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Gore is the fifth horseman of the apocalypse. He rides an icy horse bringing cold wherever he goes.)
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To: MsLady
Why did it take her all day?

Q: "How many people live here?"
A: "One" (or other number)

The census is now completed.

21 posted on 01/16/2010 4:38:32 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: MsLady

It sounds like she got the ongoing American Survey Form, which asks all the intrusive and illegal questions. Tell her to ignore it.

The 2010 Census forms will go out in March sometime and should only have 10 questions. There is no long and short form this year.


22 posted on 01/16/2010 4:41:58 PM PST by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: MsLady

The only reply coming from the Big Truck household is “5”. No race, no income, no age. If the census takers can’t/don’t/won’t accept “5”, then the next answer is “get off of my property.” Unless they can show me in the constitution where I am required to furnish more information, they will be S.O.L.


23 posted on 01/16/2010 4:54:37 PM PST by big truck
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To: MsLady
I was thinking of just not responding to the census. But lying on it sounds like a lot more fun. I just don't want some Fed coming knocking on my door for “the Truth”.
24 posted on 01/16/2010 5:01:57 PM PST by LiberConservative
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To: deport

I’m going to have FUN filling out this census! :)


25 posted on 01/16/2010 5:04:14 PM PST by LiberConservative
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To: MsLady

The most important thing that they need, and the one that they’re truly interested in, is how many people live in the residence.


26 posted on 01/16/2010 5:08:23 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: MsLady

The most important thing that they need, and the one that they’re truly interested in, is how many people live in the residence. Answer that question only.


27 posted on 01/16/2010 5:08:32 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: NewJerseyJoe

CORRECT!


28 posted on 01/16/2010 5:09:13 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: MsLady

We could be the New Order Amish -The ones who believe in driving, electricity and participating in politics. :-)


29 posted on 01/16/2010 5:14:05 PM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch ( T.G., global warming denier.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Are you sure that is how it unfolds? I know somebody who has received two copies of the ACS but does not plan to complete it.


30 posted on 01/16/2010 5:17:40 PM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: MsLady

As reflected in the last sentence...it is against my religion to answer any question not related to number of people in household.....after all...I just found out that financial institutions are having to allow sharia compliant finance “rules”. I am going to say I refuse based on the first ammendment...it violates my right to the pursuit of happiness and my right to liberty.

(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.
(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body.


31 posted on 01/16/2010 5:19:06 PM PST by imfrmdixie
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To: Tatze
It sounds like she got the ongoing American Survey Form, which asks all the intrusive and illegal questions. Tell her to ignore it.

That Survey Form included many questions that needed data from the Tax Form 1040. It looked like a way for parts of the government to get around any IRS confidentiality rules.


32 posted on 01/16/2010 5:34:22 PM PST by magooey (then - NO JUSTICE! NO PEACE!, now - NO DATA! NO WARMING!)
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To: deport

There is only 10 questions on the form this year. Check a few boxes basically and that’s it. Click the following to see them.

http://2010.census.gov/2010census/how/interactive-form.php
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If this is all the questions on this years census, then there’s really nothing “unconstitutional” about it. The 2000 form was much more in-depth and asked intrusive questions about income, etc. This form is much like the census forms filled out by my parents and grandparents decades ago. IF, that is, this is really the actual census form that will be mailed. We’ll see.


33 posted on 01/16/2010 5:58:32 PM PST by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: MsLady; Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

“I would except I don’t think I could stand living like they do....lol Then on the other hand......”

I was with Amish friends today in Holmes County, Ohio - believe me, they live well! Sometimes you can even see them using their cell phones - in their buggies.


34 posted on 01/16/2010 5:58:44 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
Maybe we should all say we’re considering converting to “Amish”, since they won’t be required to buy health insurance.

HA! I love it!!

I'm answering question 1, "How many people were living or staying in this house, apartment or mobile home as of April 10, 2010?" as being 20. Let them prove there weren't 20 people here on that day!

Question 2 "Were there any additional people staying here that you did not include in question 1?" as being "Relatives, such as adult children, cousins or inlaws."

Think about the purpose of question two here ..... "Did you forget anyone living in your house?" WHO THE HELL FORGETS SOMEONE IS LIVING IN THEIR HOUSE?!

Question 3 I'm going to answer as my house being a "mobile home."

I dare the bastards to come and check. I think we should all lie to the government. What the hell, they've been lying to us!

35 posted on 01/16/2010 6:08:59 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: MsLady

I don’t think they’re supposed to be mailed out yet. Make sure the forms are legitimate and not some snail mail phishing scheme.


36 posted on 01/16/2010 6:54:41 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: MsLady

https://ask.census2010.gov/cgi-bin/askcensus2010.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php

says “March 14” for mailout.

http://2010.census.gov/news/
Click “FAQ” if the above link doesn’t work.


37 posted on 01/16/2010 7:03:16 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: patriot preacher

Just give them the count in your household. I am curious as to how many people respond to the 2020 census. This should give the country a good count onto how many abortions took place during the last 10 years. Did we wipe out a whole decade of black & mexican babies? How does that affect our welfare program? How much money did we save this country by not having to support all those babies? I hate to see how much the aids problem has spread by making abortion affordable with the taxpayers picking up the bill. Why hasn’t the Democratic party addressed this yet?


38 posted on 01/16/2010 7:44:38 PM PST by Anna W (ll looser\)
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To: patriot preacher

Just give them the count in your household. I am curious as to how many people respond to the 2020 census. This should give the country a good count onto how many abortions took place during the last 10 years. Did we wipe out a whole decade of black & mexican babies? How does that affect our welfare program? How much money did we save this country by not having to support all those babies? I hate to see how much the aids problem has spread by making abortion affordable with the taxpayers picking up the bill. Why hasn’t the Democratic party addressed this yet?


39 posted on 01/16/2010 7:44:38 PM PST by Anna W (ll looser\)
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To: KarlInOhio

Yes, they were pestering her about it. I think she got as far as the second letter. My mother is old and frail. I think it’s plan wrong, but, if they are going to do something like that they need to take into account some people are just not well enough. My mother has problems with just day to day living, much less having to put up with this type of nonsense. It really made me mad. I wished I lived closer to her :(


40 posted on 01/16/2010 7:58:27 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: Tatze

I did tell her that she only had to tell how many people lived in the house. She’d already filled it in and mailed it out.


41 posted on 01/16/2010 8:01:46 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: GOP_Lady

That’s what I thought, I just couldn’t remember from last time. I don’t mind telling them that. I just think our government has become far to noise for our good.


42 posted on 01/16/2010 8:03:11 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

LOL...the new Amish order..too cute!!!


43 posted on 01/16/2010 8:03:55 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: Comparative Advantage
Yes. I got hit at the end of 2008/beginning of 2009. They never caught me at home when the visits started. I think they left four notes ranging from the cajoling (your country needs you to fill out the ACS so your community can get all sorts of free stuff) to the threatening (under United States code XXXXx you are required to provide the requested information of be subject to fines and possible jail time). After three months I never heard from them again.
44 posted on 01/16/2010 8:07:22 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Gore is the fifth horseman of the apocalypse. He rides an icy horse bringing cold wherever he goes.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Amish and cell phones, I would have never thought. They must be more modern then I remember them. My grandparents lived in Virgina, lots of Amish there. I remember the black horse and buggies. I remember we went to one of there homes to buy rugs that they had woven. That was probably back in the early 60’s. I think my mother still has a couple of those rugs.


45 posted on 01/16/2010 8:08:37 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: KarlInOhio

Thanks!!


46 posted on 01/16/2010 8:10:41 PM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: freedumb2003

When I get my form, only name and number of people in the house will be answered. Everything else will be marked “NOYFB”.


47 posted on 01/17/2010 1:44:31 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: MsLady

Holmes County Ohio has the largest Amish population in the world. The 2 lane highways in Holmes County have an extra wide paved berm for the buggies - we call them buggy lanes.

The other large Amish community in Ohio is in Geauga County, east of Cleveland.

Any business that has “Amish” in the name is NOT Amish.

The Amish in Pennsylvania have been using cell phones for some time. I guess since there are no wires, they are okay. Most Amish will ride in cars (not their own), though some “Old-Order” Amish will not - not so many of those around anymore.

Many Amish have diesel generators to provide their own electricity. They will also have an array of batteries to store power for minimal electricity requirements.

Many have power lawn mowers, some may even have tractors, though it is common to see them working in the fields with horse-drawn plows, hay bailers, wagons, etc.

Many Amish are quite wealthy.

Many are also well educated. I know naturopaths, master herbalists, iridologists etc among the Amish.

In some families, they allow the young men to have a car, so wild oats, and then decide whether to stay in the Amish community and Amish way of life.


48 posted on 01/17/2010 7:40:30 AM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: MsLady

THIS DESERVES A WHOLE NEW THREAD.

This lady received a fundraising piece of crap from the Republican party.

Michael Steele’s name is all over it. And this is a disgraceful attempt to con people in a census year by calling this Republican solicitation a “2010 CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT CENSUS.”

No answer at: 202/683-8747 www.GOP.com

This is about to explode in the GOP faces.


49 posted on 01/20/2010 11:34:14 AM PST by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: George from New England

I just wish I was living closer to my mother. She is just getting to that stage in life where she is really vulnerable. If this is from the GOP, shame on them.


50 posted on 01/20/2010 12:29:16 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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