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Thousands of Americans died from H1N1 even after receiving vaccine shots
Natural News ^

Posted on 01/18/2010 5:36:23 AM PST by Scythian

The CDC is engaged in a very clever, statistically devious spin campaign, and nearly every journalist in the mainstream media has fallen for its ploy. No one has yet reported what I'm about to reveal here.

It all started with the CDC's recent release of new statistics about swine flu fatalities, infection rates and vaccination rates. According to the CDC:

How do I know that swine flu vaccines don't reduce infection mortality? Because I've looked through all the randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trials that have ever been conducted on H1N1 vaccines. It didn't take me very long, because the number of such clinical trials is ZERO.

That's right: There is not a single shred of evidence in existence today that scientifically supports the myth that H1N1 vaccines reduce mortality from H1N1 infections. The best evidence I can find on vaccines that target seasonal flu indicates a maximum mortality reduction effect of somewhere around 1% of those who are vaccinated. The other 99% have the same mortality rate as people who were not vaccinated.

So let's give the recent H1N1 vaccines the benefit of the doubt and let's imagine that they work just as well as other flu vaccines. That means they would reduce the mortality rate by 1%. So out of the 2,200 deaths that took place in 2009 in people who were already vaccinated, the vaccine potentially may have saved 22 people.

(Excerpt) Read more at naturalnews.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: deathtoll; h1n1; swineflu

1 posted on 01/18/2010 5:36:24 AM PST by Scythian
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To: Scythian

Inquiring minds wonder if the borders were left open,
and the vaccines pushed for pecuniary reasons.


2 posted on 01/18/2010 5:38:04 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: Scythian

I literally ran out of the doctor’s office when they wanted me to sit for two flu vaccinations. I didn’t get the flu. Is flu season over yet?


3 posted on 01/18/2010 5:40:26 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: Diogenesis

Potentially 22 lives saved. Pretty big if you are one of those 22.

How many lives did the vaccine take? We all read the stories of complications resulting from the shot.

Perhaps more lives could be saved by focusing on prevention and then early treatment.


4 posted on 01/18/2010 5:40:38 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Scythian
The H1N1 vaccine turned me into a NEWT!



I, I got better.
5 posted on 01/18/2010 5:41:53 AM PST by CholeraJoe ("You gotta be cool on Wall Street when your index is down. Dow Jones got no time for bums.")
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To: Scythian

Thousands??


6 posted on 01/18/2010 5:42:44 AM PST by ktscarlett66 (Face it girls....I'm older and I have more insurance....)
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To: Scythian

How many $billions were spent on the anticipation of this pandemic-that-wasn’t?

How many additional $billions were spent on the other anticipated pandemic-that-wasn’t — avian flu?

Too bad there is no accountability in Washington. Who is getting wealthy from all this spending?


7 posted on 01/18/2010 5:45:09 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Scythian

Smells like BS to me.


8 posted on 01/18/2010 5:45:22 AM PST by caver (Obama's first goals: allow more killing of innocents and allow the killers of innocents to go free.)
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To: Scythian
Yeah, it was horrible. I've been stepping over the H1N1 victim's bodies now for months. Wish some one would move them. Why, it was horrific! The carnage, the humanity............!

I don't know a SINGLE person who has contracted the flu- any strain. I haven't heard any one say they rushed to get tthe shots. Most people I know didn't want anything to do with them. Me either!

9 posted on 01/18/2010 5:46:05 AM PST by Doc Savage (SOBAMP!)
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To: ktscarlett66

Yes, both of them.../s


10 posted on 01/18/2010 5:46:19 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Scythian

All agenda and NO cited facts. I am willing to believe that the CDC is worthless, but cite something. This “natural” crap will kill you. People ate “organic” food and used “natural” cures for millinia. We live longer now than ever in history because of unnatural SCIENCE.


11 posted on 01/18/2010 5:47:39 AM PST by HospiceNurse
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To: Scythian

I have received seasonal flu inoculations 19 out of the last 21 years. I became sick with the flu in late December in both of the years in which I received no vaccine. As sick as I can ever remember being both of those times. Vaccines work.

This guy is a dangerous charlatan with no medical or scientific education or training. Visit this link for a much better assessment of him than I can provide:

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/09/a_religious_loon_cant_even_wait_until_he.php


12 posted on 01/18/2010 5:59:18 AM PST by Zauber
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To: Scythian

Their statistics are quoted in an intentionally vague way.

If overall mortality is decreased by one percent in the vaccinated group, this could be an outstanding number.

The mortality rate is about 1%. If the vaccinated group had their rate lowered by 1%, then we may have found the source of immortality.

Stats can lie, poorly worded stats are most likely covering something up. Natural news likes to stir the pot.


13 posted on 01/18/2010 6:11:48 AM PST by dangerdoc
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To: HospiceNurse

Yep. I do not trust that site. It seems it is set up to do nothing but push their products and to debunk cures or treatments that involve chemicals, vaccines, medicine etc. Very dangerous. Using their tactics against them, I wonder how many people have died using treatments suggested by them?


14 posted on 01/18/2010 6:12:15 AM PST by aft_lizard (Barack Obama is Hugo Chavez's poodle.)
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To: Zauber
I have received seasonal flu inoculations 19 out of the last 21 years.

I am 60 years old and have never taken a flu shot. I've had the flu twice in my life, and found it to be no big deal. The vaccine doesn't seem to be worth the risk or the expense.

15 posted on 01/18/2010 6:12:42 AM PST by GingisK
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To: Doc Savage
My grandson was hospitalized with H1N1. The pediatrician said it had to be H1N1 because the other flu was not active at that time and he had the flu. She also said that H1N1 tests false negative often, as he did.

I don't know - he was very sick.

16 posted on 01/18/2010 6:17:10 AM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch ( T.G., global warming denier.)
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To: GingisK

I haven’t had a flu shot since it was forced on me as a kid. As a result, I haven’t been sick during the flu season.

Those that have gotten the shot that I have known, would get sick. Their Dr would tell them that was another virus that attacked them and not the one the shot was suppose to prevent.

CDC and the WHO need to be investigated and punished for their BS hype and hysteria they caused.

Was awfully sad, extremely sad to read about pregnant mothers who lost their babies after taking the H1N1 shot.

Coincidence, maybe, but still suspicious. God Bless them.


17 posted on 01/18/2010 6:20:13 AM PST by VicVega (2010 Let only Real Conservatives win. Say good night John McCain.)
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To: GingisK

I agree. I’ve never had a flu shot and never will because I don’t trust the government. The most dangerous animal on the planet is MAN.

I’ve had the flu plenty and recovered just fine. I’ll stack my immunity and ability to recuperate against anyone’s 19 years of flu shots. Perhaps they wouldn’t have gotten so sick if they’d toughed it out each year.


18 posted on 01/18/2010 6:20:26 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is..." - Milton)
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To: Scythian

Being in the military, I don’t have a choice about getting the flu shots. Or worse, the flu mist up the nose.

However, I do not remember ever getting the flu prior to joining the military. I’ve only had one cold in the last decade.

I read a scientific journal article about a study done in a nursing home, where there was a flu break-out (a couple years ago; it wasn’t H1N1). The authors compared rates of catching flu between people receiving the vaccine, and people remaining unvaccinated. As I recall, it wasn’t that much of a difference. Sixty-something percent of the vaccinated, and 70-something percent of the unvaccinated got the flu... the vaccine only decreased the infection rate by about 11%. I wasn’t very impressed.


19 posted on 01/18/2010 6:20:46 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: caver; Scythian
Smells like BS to me.

It is, it is conjecture built on conjecture, built on conjecture.

20 posted on 01/18/2010 6:22:02 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Zauber
Vaccines work.

Vaccines work when they are made according to cGMP with properly validated processes, qualified equipment, and rigorous clinical trials. How many times has a drug formulation made it all the way to clinical trials before the manufacturer sh!tcanned it and went back to the drawing board?

I work in the pharmaceutical industry, in a plant that makes IV drugs. I won't be getting an H1N1 vaccination, nor will my family.

The vaccine was rushed to market, and I haven't seen where anyone has proven that the efficacy outweighs the side effects, especially among people who already caught the flu last fall before the vaccine was widely available. Which we did.

21 posted on 01/18/2010 6:22:20 AM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: mnehring

Ha!


22 posted on 01/18/2010 6:23:06 AM PST by caver (Obama's first goals: allow more killing of innocents and allow the killers of innocents to go free.)
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To: GingisK
I am 60 years old and have never taken a flu shot. I've had the flu twice in my life, and found it to be no big deal. The vaccine doesn't seem to be worth the risk or the expense.

My situation is almost identical to yours, with the exception that I'm three years younger. To me it all boils down to a cost-benefit analysis, which can be performed only on an individual level. Is it worth the risk? I've always been concerned when taking vaccines that I'll be exposing myself to some unknown condition or pathogen while my immune system is diverted toward working on building immunity to whatever vaccine I've taken. It's the law of unintended consequences, which the medical profession doesn't seem willing to take into account. My policy has always been never to introduce foreign substances into my bloodstream unless there is a clear and compelling benefit to be gained, and that benefit clearly outweighs the risk.

23 posted on 01/18/2010 6:23:26 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Obey the law, or you'll go to prison and be raped.)
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To: Zauber

I didn’t even put 2 and 2 together at first but now that I see who it is, you are right. This health ranger guy is worse than that Tredeau(sp?) guy on TV. He is a medical luddite.


24 posted on 01/18/2010 6:23:51 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
My policy has always been never to introduce foreign substances into my bloodstream unless there is a clear and compelling benefit to be gained...

Your entire reply was very good, and to the point!

25 posted on 01/18/2010 6:29:14 AM PST by GingisK
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To: TomGuy

“Too bad there is no accountability in Washington. Who is getting wealthy from all this spending?”

The drug companies, vaccine manufacturers, FDA, CDC, etc. The accountability should be for the deaths caused by the vaccine. The ba$tard$ should be thrown in prison and used for human guinea pigs.


26 posted on 01/18/2010 6:34:12 AM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Is this flu season over?

Well, it kind of looks like it now, a month and half ago every state was Widespread (max level) now look at the current map ..

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/WeeklyFluActivityMap.htm

Of course, you can get the flu at anytime but the massive wave sweeping the country is over (for now)


27 posted on 01/18/2010 6:44:47 AM PST by Scythian
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Is flu season over yet?

Not yet. There's another wave of H1N1 soon to hit, and it's now Seasonal Flu season.

28 posted on 01/18/2010 6:54:38 AM PST by Born Conservative ("I'm a fan of disruptors" - Nancy Pelosi)
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To: Scythian

I have not had the flu shots in well over ten years and I am totally okay with that.

I was a guest at a relatives house this summer and fall, and one day she got a wild hair up her a** and she sent me emails from her work using (us.army.mil) mail servers demanding that I get both both flu shots. I got myself out of her house in less than 3 days.

I dont know if she ever got in trouble for that (she is a civilian paralegal in the legal department at a US Army Depot) but I believe that she should have.


29 posted on 01/18/2010 7:22:26 AM PST by valkyry1
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To: valkyry1
I was a guest at a relatives house this summer and fall, and one day she got a wild hair up her a** and she sent me emails from her work using (us.army.mil) mail servers demanding that I get both both flu shots. I got myself out of her house in less than 3 days.

Don't worry, I'm sure she slipped the dose in those MRE's you ate that night for dinner? Do you remember a sinister look in her eyes during the evening toast a dinner? Didn't you notice you felt a little queazy after that ...
30 posted on 01/18/2010 8:05:08 AM PST by Scythian
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To: Scythian

Now that you mention it, her cooking was fairly disgusting. I guess that’s why I avoided it every time I could.


31 posted on 01/18/2010 8:16:57 AM PST by valkyry1
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