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SHOT SHOW Day Four
bacwoods home ^ | Jan 22, 2010 | Massad Ayoob

Posted on 01/22/2010 5:09:23 PM PST by smokingfrog

It’s the third day of the SHOT Show for the dealers attending, the fourth day for the professionals who got there early for set-up and networking and advanced product testing.

AR15 rifle variants are everywhere. One theme this year of our host, the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), is that “AR” stands for “America’s Rifle.” It’s good to see new companies coming in and being innovative. American Spirit Arms introduces an AR15 with a bolt operating lever located on the left side above the magazine, like an FN FAL. This eliminates the one non-ergonomic feature of Gene Stoner’s Armalite design in this writer’s opinion: the awkward T-handle at the rear of the action. The price is competitive, the action is smooth, and the handling IS faster. Heckler & Koch’s take on the American AR, shown as a non-functional prototype last year at SHOT, is shown this time as a functional prototype, and seems to draw much from the company’s 416 rifle.

Chiappa of Italy introduces a reasonably priced .22 Long Rifle version of the AR15, and also their intriguing Rhino revolver, reminiscent of an earlier Italian design, the Mateba. The barrel is parallel to the lower portion of the frame instead of the top, bringing bore axis down and thus reducing muzzle rise. The action of this “upside-down” .357 Magnum feels surprisingly smooth. There are already holsters being made for it, and it will accept a 6-shot speedloader for an L-frame Smith & Wesson. Instead of a round cylinder, this revolver’s is hexagonal: you don’t see hexagonal cylinders every day, at a revolver match OR a geometry class.

(Excerpt) Read more at backwoodshome.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Hobbies; Outdoors
KEYWORDS: banglist; shotshow; shotshow2010
The previous 3 days are also reviewed at the same link.

I haven't read all of them yet, so don't know if he has covered the BATF arrests.

1 posted on 01/22/2010 5:09:24 PM PST by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog
The new Chiappa Rhino revolver looks interesting.


2 posted on 01/22/2010 5:11:36 PM PST by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... www.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: smokingfrog

BATF arrests?

Guess I’ve been outta the loop.


3 posted on 01/22/2010 5:17:06 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: 2111USMC
FBI set up a sting operation with a person posing as a government official from a west african nation. As part of the business negociations he solicits a bribe from the company official. Evidently that breaks some weapons exportation law.

They arrested 25 people from a number of companies right before the show opened.

4 posted on 01/22/2010 5:29:59 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: 2111USMC

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=12D60E47A917DA08&p_docnum=2


5 posted on 01/22/2010 5:41:52 PM PST by NVDave
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To: smokingfrog

I’ve read up on this thing.

It looks uglier than stink. And from the detailed pictures they make available on their web site, I’m not impressed with the finish on their parts.

The only upside of this is that it might tame some of the recoil with heavy loads and a short barrel.


6 posted on 01/22/2010 5:43:57 PM PST by NVDave
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To: USNBandit

Wow. If they snared 25 people, I would have to think it was some kind of entrapment using a regulation/law that nobody knew about.


7 posted on 01/22/2010 5:45:14 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: smokingfrog; marktwain; Travis McGee

BTTT


8 posted on 01/22/2010 5:45:19 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: 2111USMC

—more—

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2433038/posts


9 posted on 01/22/2010 5:51:41 PM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: NVDave
Thanks Dave, but I couldn't get your link to work.

I did find this on Outdoor Life:

Syd Weedon of Front Sight, Press writes that the violations took so much work by law enforcement agencies to induce, that the agencies should be "held equally culpable as part of the conspiracy—especially in a case like this, where the violation is highly technical and the targets of the sting might not even realize they were in violation."

10 posted on 01/22/2010 5:52:06 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: smokingfrog

That is one butt friggin ugly revolver.

Can it do anything my 1956 Smith pre-27 3.5” can’t?


11 posted on 01/22/2010 5:52:59 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I was at the show on Monday and got to play with it a bit. Its ugly as sin but felt REALLY comfortable in my hand. Strange as that seems

They are also coming out with some .22LR 1911 clones.. which were very well made


12 posted on 01/22/2010 5:56:27 PM PST by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: rellimpank

Thanks.

This deal really stinks to high heaven. Based on some obscure 1977 foreign trade law. Took them 2-1/2 years to entrap these folks.


13 posted on 01/22/2010 5:59:19 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: 2111USMC

That’s largely my thoughts too, but I wasn’t going to pre-dispose you either way on the charges. Folks have to read the account of what happened and make their own call.

This is another one of those laws in DC written by high-minded liberals and Ivy League pinheads. Let’s say that some clown from Dirka-Dirkastan comes to our arms companies and there’s a big sale possible, but a little bakeesh has to cross palms to get the sale.

So if our companies are banned from doing this business (which is a common business model in offshore countries, including France for cryin’ out loud), other countries are going to get the business.

The Russians, for example, have no such laws and absolutely no objections to doing business in this manner.


14 posted on 01/22/2010 6:04:42 PM PST by NVDave
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I dunno - the only thing that comes to mind is “make an assailant drop to his knees and weep in despair at your lack of taste?”


15 posted on 01/22/2010 6:06:13 PM PST by NVDave
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To: smokingfrog

If by “interesting” you mean “butt-ugly”, then I agree ;)


16 posted on 01/22/2010 6:18:32 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: 2111USMC
Not knowing about a law isn't usually a valid legal defense. I would think that if you were in the gun business you would know about the law in this case, but who knows.

I'm not a big believer in sting operations because I think you catch some people who, while obviously not honest, might not have committed the crime unless invited.

It borders on entrapment.

17 posted on 01/22/2010 6:19:49 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit
I've known some people in the firearms manufacturing business. Filling both U.S. and foreign government contracts.

All of them seem to be real honest people with a constant eye to abiding by the law. They have to be law abiding because they are under constant scrutiny with reporting and accountability processes that are absolutely anal. It sounds like the people caught up in this trap were long time professionals in the industry. This wasn't "Bubba" from the local militia selling Uzi's out of his garage.

18 posted on 01/22/2010 6:50:58 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: 2111USMC

(Not that there’s anything wrong with militias, by the way.)


19 posted on 01/22/2010 6:52:21 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: smokingfrog

I am glad to see some new thinking coming about in handgun design.


20 posted on 01/22/2010 7:35:51 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: 2111USMC; USNBandit; NVDave

When these people get lawyered up for this, I am going to assume they will be getting some top grade legal reps. This should mean that the legal beavers will bring up a host of issues that will be mighty embarrassing to a lot of people who otherwise would be off the screen. If this happens, I predict that this case will implode very quickly.


21 posted on 01/22/2010 7:41:55 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: NVDave

If the same finish is the one that’s on the Mateba, it will be beautiful. Remember, form follows function and in this case by a whole lot.

No muzzle flip means more to me than a barrel that looks too tall.

My only complaint is the wish they had chambered one in .45 Auto with full moon clips.

I’m waiting for the stainless steel version.


22 posted on 01/24/2010 6:28:46 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

It was designed for no muzzle flip even with heavy loads. Try that with your “top of the chamber” barreled revolvers. This is a change that’s been long due for the last hundred years.


23 posted on 01/24/2010 6:31:09 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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