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Posted on 01/27/2010 3:44:26 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
Gosh! My 8-year-old daughter is making money at school???
Noon today, when my daughter came home from school her mouth was red and swollen. When I asked, she said it was from eating ma la tang[a Chinese type of spicy soup]. This led me to discovering 8 yuan in her pocket, and I asked her where the money came from. She refused to say, so I went to school in the afternoon to investigate. To my astonishment, shes making money from her classmates! How was she doing it??? Well, many of her classmates bring comics to school and are afraid of teachers inspections, so she keeps the comics for them, 5 jiao each time. Also, other students pay to use her pencil sharpener. The first two times are free, she charges 5 jiao from the third time and 5 jiao extra from the 6th time. In addition, I found a little notebook under her pillow tonight, with a list of people that owe her money written inside. Faint
Had a talk with her tonight, told her that her responsibility right now is to study, and that friendship between classmates is priceless. Most importantly, its wrong to help others break school rules for money, because when she becomes a part of society she might break the law for money. (Its the same thing, a set of rules that must be obeyed). The consequence to breaking the law is to lose lifes most precious freedom.
The child is asleep, but I cant fall asleep (because in life I always like to help friends. But my daughter
), so here I am on the discussion forum, hoping to hear everyones thoughts. Thanks.
Well, the girl certainly has the entrepreneural spirit!
She just needs to redirect it to more socially acceptable endeavors.
She has discovered a “black market” in her school and is taking advantage. While this may make money for her, it will alienate her friends.
Over here we can pay people money to hide sensitive information or back up sensitive information from our hard drives on line in case of computer failure. If properly schooled, this little girl might have a great future in that sort of work.
I'll have to check out that website.
The point of this post is what please?
That Communist China does not enforce rules?...
It’s interesting that the mother has not thought to question where her daughter’s classmates are getting the money to pay her. Nor is she considering where her daughter is spending her money.
The economy prospers by “loose change” being shuffled around. Her daughter has just figured out where the flow of money is located and has set herself up as a participant in several transaction points.
I believe there was an episode of “Terry and the Pirates” where the Dragon Lady reminisced of getting her start in organized crime just this way. Today the pencil sharpener, tomorrow the Orient.
I wonder if the little girl has enforcers yet.
That is what I wondered, too. She had better coopt a classroom bully by giving him extended free service.:-)
I understand, but that wasn’t really my question.
It seems to this poster that a (lot) of otherwise patriotic sensible FReepers who really should be paying attention to what is happening in the world, have not one small clue about how important China is to the future of America. Nor of the nature of China. It is a race-based dictatorship. Like a really, really big Nazi Germany with nukes - except without the concentration camps.
Most seem to believe Chinese are backward peasants. I see stupid “ching chang chong” sorts of replys to things which really should be discussed seriously.
China is going to kick our butts, if present trends continue.
The really weird thing is even combat veterans who may even have faced down Soviet forces over the years - see nothing wrong with that.
It’s mind boggling.
It is not time to worry until you find the other list which says:
"Xin Lee - has not paid in a month, send Ya Su to break his fingers."
If I was to look at this as a parenting concern, I would look for a more positive way to channel her talent. Perhaps opening a flea market booth, or something similar, with her parent teaching her by observation of all the odd characters selling at a flea market the difference between honest business and what is unethical. If a person has a knack for free enterprise it should not be discouraged, but what she was doing was a reflection more of gaming the system like the corruption found in politics then honest business.
Move over Tony Soprano.
As it turns out, I'm in sales and make a darn good living. I still love comic books and all the other geeky stuff as a kid. I say let the girl do her thing. She's the embodiment of capitalism and she is hooked on the thrill of the close. :)
Absolutely, she’s learning on her own, what an MBA cannot teach. How to find or create a need, and then cater to that need.....for profit. It’s the doggone American Way!! :)
Even if I beleived this and thought it was worth posting, I don’t get what the red mouth and the soup-eating had to do with the story.
That Communist China does not enforce rules?...
If you don't get the rather obvious point then you won't understand the answer.
Please explain. What I got from the story is that it’s ok to break rules in China, because now that Americans on both side of the political aisle are eagerly making China (through our bone-headed “free trade” deindustrialisation of the USA), the world’s newest superpower by making ourselves weak and broke - the communists running the country, will magically now embrace freedom and democracy.
And we’ll all live happily ever after.
Did I miss something?
As with many such arrangements the result is often a Catch 22.
The little girl is assuming the risk of the other students by holding the comic books for them. That is a risk they are willing to pay her to relieve them of. She is also providing them with a service by allowing them to use her pencils and pencil sharpener, a service for which they are also willing to pay. She is a bright marketer by making the first few times free. However, that is the same as a drug dealer.
The Catch 22 is if she decides to discontinue the service she will most likely alienate her classmates. If she continues breaking the rules she will probably eventually get caught. What seems at first to be a win-win will sooner or later become a lose-lose.
Since her classmates are as guilty as she is of breaking the rules will they also be punished? If so, they will likely blame her and be mad about it. If they aren’t considered guilty they will likely disassociate themselves from the guilty one and shun her.
Is the reward worth the risk? That is always a central question in business endeavors whether legal or illegal.
Only the entire point of the story.
The story was posing a moral dilemma, nothing more. It may have been, at most, suggesting that there are moral perils to free enterprise sort of like the many examples making the rounds about Socialism. You know, the ones about the guys going to dinner and deciding to pay according to the income of each?
As to your complaint about free trade and China I would suggest China has little to do with our loss of jobs and the decline of our economy. Seventy years of steadily advancing Socialism/Communism in this country are the true culprits.
Labor unions in the major industries and government regulations mandating overly stringent safety and environmental rules, affirmative action and other personnel management rules, and punitive taxes on individuals, business and investors play the biggest role. All of those policies are Communist inspired.
The alternative to free trade is high import taxes. That raises the cost of the products to American consumers or makes the product unavailable to them if the tariff is too high. We already have tariffs on many products including steel, coffee and sugar. Why? We don't grow coffee and the sugar producers would do just fine without protection. However, look at the cost of sugar and coffee in the supermarket. The increased cost of steel means higher costs for many other things like cars, appliances, buildings, etc.
As to the deindustrialization of America, today just our manufacturing sector alone makes it greater than most other countries entire GDP, behind only Germany and Japan I believe.
Free enterprise is based on freedom of choice, private property and freedom of movement. Freedom is the root of free enterprise. At its core is human nature. R. Buckminster Fuller, a genius in many fields, said free enterprise has the unique ability to transform the selfish desires of the individual into a good for the whole population.
Free enterprise as practiced by China and Russia is like being a little bit pregnant. It ain't possible. Either they abandon free enterprise, abort it, or it will grow into a new vibrant free society. If they abort it they will return to stagnation and ruin. That is unlikely since the young people have gotten a taste of success and the Communist oligarchs are getting rich.
Tragically, as Communist nations in the Eastern Hemisphere have learned the lessons of Communism the nations in the Western Hemisphere are moving in the opposite direction.
Obama and his Communist buddies are the worst thing ever to happen to this country. You complain about free trade and Obama and his fellow Communist are still living it the past and want to take us there.
Worry about that if you want to worry about something.
First I apologize to TigerLikesRooster.
I let my own frustration with the state of our trade mess, get in the way of respectful dialogue. I had thought TLR was posting someone else’s words - but it seems maybe it was just an honest expressive (original) post, and I apologize for responding in a knee-jerk way.
That said, if I were raising a child in China, the (first) lesson I would be teaching them is, not to break rules. Not there, not now.
I’m sorry. Please accept my apologies.
But to Mind-numbed Robot’s criticism that I’m somehow anti-business:
I have no gripe with free trade.
That’s not what we’re doing. We’re unilaterally surrendering.
“Free trade” would mean markets around the world were as open to our goods and services, as our markets are to others’.
Nowhere on earth, are markets as open to American goods and services, as our markets are to every dictator and communist, and their corrupt business practices.
My gripe is, we have allowed selfish people to sell our own country into future collapse - so that THEY could make a few dollars on our defeat.
That is my gripe.
It’s got nothing what so ever to do with “free trade”.
There is no “free trade”. Because we have not insisted upon it.
May I quote you?
What I got from the story is that its ok to break rules in China, because now that Americans on both side of the political aisle are eagerly making China (through our bone-headed free trade deindustrialisation of the USA), ...
I will take the liberty of speaking on behalf of TigerLikesRooster:
I had thought TLR was posting someone elses words - but it seems maybe it was just an honest expressive (original) post, and I apologize for responding in a knee-jerk way.
He WAS quoting someone else's words! That is why he said "ROFLAO" in post number one!
I am tempted to post a snarky remark about your comprehension skills but instead I will be kind. I hope my clarification helped.
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