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Experts Needed: What Type of Rifle Should I get? (Vanity)
Me | 1/28/10 | GauchoUSA

Posted on 01/28/2010 11:39:40 AM PST by GauchoUSA

Next week, I am going on a short expedition into the Russian Northwest forest. My wife's cousins along with a couple more friends will go hunting, drinking and shooting...you know man stuff. I have been informed that we will be using the obvious AK 47 and they will even have a couple of Dragunovs. I am sure to come out with a great story out of it.

My question is, since I am sure to come back a weapons afficionado and I will have virtually no experience with an AR 15, for US purposes what should I set my eye on purchasing? I'm sure there are a lot of Freepers who are experts on both and I have a cousin who has an incredible collection of AR 15's and AK 47's along with wicked shotguns and even a marine stainless steel shotgun. I am not too keen on handguns so I was hoping to get my hands on a good rifle. What would give me more bang for my buck? If God forbid a revolution is to come how can I prepare Rifle-wise.


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1 posted on 01/28/2010 11:39:41 AM PST by GauchoUSA
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To: GauchoUSA

I like my Ruger Mini-14.....


2 posted on 01/28/2010 11:42:14 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (I Upped My Monthly Donation To FR....Now, Up Yours.)
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To: GauchoUSA

This should be fun.


3 posted on 01/28/2010 11:43:31 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (We have the 1st so that we can call on people to rebel. We have 2nd so that they can.)
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To: GauchoUSA

If you are going into the Russian forrest with the possibility of running into a brown bear, I would suggest an RPG-7V, or an DsHk.


4 posted on 01/28/2010 11:44:42 AM PST by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists".)
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To: GauchoUSA

You better make damn sure they’re legal. You get caught with an illegal machine gun in Mexico and you’ll be in prison for twenty years. It may be the same in Russia.


5 posted on 01/28/2010 11:44:49 AM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Buy everything you can afford :-)


6 posted on 01/28/2010 11:45:03 AM PST by bicyclerepair (Ft. Lauderdale, Florida)
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To: DCBryan1
forrest

forest.

7 posted on 01/28/2010 11:45:39 AM PST by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists".)
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To: GauchoUSA

Springfield Armory SOCOM [civilian M-14 w/ 16” barrel]. Comes in .308 [7.62mm NATO], and DOESN’T fit description of Assault Rifle.


8 posted on 01/28/2010 11:46:09 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: GauchoUSA

SOCOM M14 - that’s my dream gun.


9 posted on 01/28/2010 11:46:35 AM PST by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: GauchoUSA

I have both and will comment. Run of the mill AK rifles are not that accurate compared to AR rifles. I once outshot a Dragunov at 200 yards with a replica rolling block .45-70 rifle! For accuracy, go with a AR-15. For pull it out of the mud and shoot, go with a AK.


10 posted on 01/28/2010 11:46:43 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: PzLdr
DOESN’T fit description of Assault Rifle.

As any good journalist will tell you, an "assault rifle" is any firearm which fires ammunition.

11 posted on 01/28/2010 11:49:11 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (We have the 1st so that we can call on people to rebel. We have 2nd so that they can.)
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To: GauchoUSA

Personally, I’d go with a Barrett M107.


12 posted on 01/28/2010 11:49:24 AM PST by Obadiah (Ramirez, we're oscar mike! Stay frosty.)
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To: ccmay

“You better make damn sure they’re legal. You get caught with an illegal machine gun in Mexico and you’ll be in prison for twenty years. It may be the same in Russia.”

Oh, it’s on the up and up. My wife’s cousin is a Militzia officer and in the reserves, so we’re going with him and his cope and army friends. I will get a load of trash talk, it should be incredibly fun.


13 posted on 01/28/2010 11:50:11 AM PST by GauchoUSA
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To: GauchoUSA
Depends on how much you like the AK. It also depends on what you plan on doing with it. Plinking? 3-gun? Long range? 50-200 yrds only? What price range are you thinking? What part of the US will you be living in? What is your ammo budget like?

I like my AR's and haven't had any issues with them. I've been thinking about adding an LR-308 to my collection so that I'd have a bit more grunt if I need it.

Ruger Mini-14 is a good alternative. If you like the AK platform, you could just stick with that.

For home defense, stick with either a handgun or consider a shotgun. Rifles are noted for over penetrating. You don't want to shoot through the bad guy standing there in your bedroom doorway at zero-dark:30 and end up plugging your neighbor as well.

14 posted on 01/28/2010 11:50:24 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: GauchoUSA

Just added “banglist;bang” to the keywords.....that should bring the experts in.


15 posted on 01/28/2010 11:50:26 AM PST by Roccus (ABLE DANGER?????...................What's an ABLE DANGER???)
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To: GauchoUSA

buy a used one don’t go thur a dealer no P.W.


16 posted on 01/28/2010 11:51:46 AM PST by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: GauchoUSA

For hunting, SAVAGE makes [may be out of production], a “scout Rifle” [.308, bolt operated,18 or 20” barrel, forward scope mount] which is reasonably priced. If you’re gonna be where the big bears are, go with a .300 to .338 magnum, a .375 H&H, or a Marlin Guide gun [lever gun with 16 or 18” barrel] in 45-70.


17 posted on 01/28/2010 11:52:19 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: DCBryan1

Thanks for the correction, I never remember which it is.


18 posted on 01/28/2010 11:52:46 AM PST by GauchoUSA
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To: GauchoUSA
Bushmaster M4-A3. Get it with the removable carry handle.

They are a good value for the buck and reliable. You can also find a tremendous number of accessories to buy for it.

By the way. Keep the alcohol for after the days hunting and shooting! :-)

19 posted on 01/28/2010 11:53:28 AM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: ClearCase_guy

As a former prosecutor, and as a gun owner in NY, neither the Feds nor NY have caught up with the journalists. It’s not an assault weapon.


20 posted on 01/28/2010 11:54:02 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Roccus

“Just added “banglist;bang” to the keywords.....that should bring the experts in.”

Thanks!


21 posted on 01/28/2010 11:54:16 AM PST by GauchoUSA
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To: GauchoUSA
This'll take down a squirrel no problem...

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22 posted on 01/28/2010 11:54:49 AM PST by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: GauchoUSA
with a couple more friends will go hunting, drinking and shooting...you know man stuff.

Yo, Pablo,

I'm drinking right now, but, hunting and shooting ...you know man stuff, don't mix.

If your going to be drinking, do man stuff... you know, lying about your sexual conquests, your ability to bench 300 lbs, etc.

If you are going hunting or shooting, leave the drinking to me.

But, if you want to hunt, shoot and drink...use a water pistol.

23 posted on 01/28/2010 11:55:18 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: al baby

“buy a used one don’t go thur a dealer no P.W.”

I was actually leaning towards that


24 posted on 01/28/2010 11:55:33 AM PST by GauchoUSA
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To: GauchoUSA
First a confession. I sold my AR-15 to pay for my Wife's engagement ring. I am still paying penance for that decision 16 years later. Not for buying the ring, but for selling that gun before it tripled in value. Your teasing will help pay off that penance earlier, so have at it.

As for the AR-15 vs the AK I would go for the AK. They were designed to be operated, broken down and cleaned by untrained peasants. Simple is good.

25 posted on 01/28/2010 11:56:26 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: GauchoUSA
"If a revolution should come, how should I prepare, rifle-wise?"

What do you see as your function in said revolution?

If you plan to go into battle against trained soldiers, armed with modern weapons, then you need a battle rifle so you can reach out and touch someone. M-1 Garand, AR-10, with a scope if you need one. My own view is that long-range combat against soldiers is a young man's game, not for me.

If you are planning to dispatch the inevitable zombies at less than 200 yards, then any .30-.06 or carbine should do you fine. Hunting rifles, as opposed to black guns, will attract a lot less attention. And, they're a lot cheaper than AR-15s.

Don't forget your shotgun. In fact, if you don't have one, get that first.

26 posted on 01/28/2010 11:57:13 AM PST by Jim Noble (Hu's the communist?)
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To: GauchoUSA
What would give me more bang for my buck? If God forbid a revolution is to come how can I prepare Rifle-wise.

For a revolution, the AR's or the AK-47's are just fine. I'd not use either for home defense unless I had a lot of property to protect and still wouldn't use them in the home. Do you want to hunt? Check your state's regs, some won't allow hunting with 223/5.56's.

27 posted on 01/28/2010 11:57:39 AM PST by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: GauchoUSA

Hmm, I really like mt PS-90, but it’s not really a long-range type rifle (better for close-quarters & room-clearing, IMO), the 5.7x28 mm round isn’t common which can be good and bad. (Good in that they aren’t in high-demand and therefore are more readily available.)

A .22 is quite common, accurate, and while not the best punch will kill varmints... even the two-legged kind... though such a small round doesn’t lend itself to going against body armor well.

If you want a ruin-his-day-even-if-he’s-wearing-armor Id suggest the standard 12ga shotgun — loaded with slugs and/or sabot-rounds. I fired a few slugs into an old hot-water tank [the old cast-iron type] and it left big old dents that left stress fractures/tears in the iron which was between 3/8ths and 1/4th an inch thick.

The 5.56mm NATO standard round {M-4, M-16, AR-15, etc} round is really common, and if there is any UN actions against us you can bet that’s what they’ll be using. It’s also what the Army, Air Force, and Marine Corp. use for most of their small-arms, so if they decide as an organization to be loyal to the Congress/President rather than the Constitution you’ll be able to find 5.56mm all over engagement-sites.

I’m sure you’ll be getting a lot of advice about other, bigger caliber rounds shortly.


28 posted on 01/28/2010 11:57:40 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I like my Ruger mini-30, hits harder.


29 posted on 01/28/2010 11:58:00 AM PST by east1234 (It's the borders stupid! My new environmentalist inspired tagline: cut, kill, dig and drill)
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To: GauchoUSA

Ruger Mini 14 - uses .223 ammo same as a M16


31 posted on 01/28/2010 11:59:13 AM PST by GoldMan (Never try to rationalize an irrational mind............)
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To: Dead Corpse

“Depends on how much you like the AK. It also depends on what you plan on doing with it. Plinking? 3-gun? Long range? 50-200 yrds only? What price range are you thinking? What part of the US will you be living in? What is your ammo budget like?”

A lot of questions. My price range is up to 2,000. I live in California unfortunately for the 2nd amendment. I am not quite sure how to kanban ammo yet.


32 posted on 01/28/2010 11:59:26 AM PST by GauchoUSA
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To: NavyCanDo

“untrained peasants”

Sure fits my description...


33 posted on 01/28/2010 12:01:00 PM PST by GauchoUSA
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To: GauchoUSA

The default answer is: M-1 Garand


34 posted on 01/28/2010 12:01:31 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: NavyCanDo

You sold a (probably Pre-ban) ‘15 for a Wedding Ring? Just what the hell were you thinking? I have a 1970 Colt SP-1, the very first issued version with no forward assist, nor shell deflector....I would sooner give up my car before parting with that. What do you think of that decision now?


35 posted on 01/28/2010 12:02:00 PM PST by Gaffer ("Profling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: Mr. Lucky

I’m with you... Got four....either that or if you feel like taking it easy and spacing the shots one of my 1903s or 1903A3s


36 posted on 01/28/2010 12:03:07 PM PST by Gaffer ("Profling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: GauchoUSA
Here's my two cents, and remember it's worth exactly what you paid for it.

For the money I don't think you can do better than an AK type rifle right now. You can pick up a package deal for less than $500 that includes a rifle, sling, oiler, bayonet, and extra magazines.

Everything but the most basic AR is going to cost twice that much when you include the accessories.

Take the money you save and put it into ammunition and practice at the range.

This way you have what is just about the perfect SHTF rifle, a big pile of ammo, and hours of practice under your belt.

And don't let anyone tell you that the AK isn't capable of accurate hits at 250-300 yards. While it won't win any Bullseye competitions it's 'minute of bad guy' accurate at those distances if you know what you're doing.

Or you could look at it this way:

For about $1,000 you can get a single AR rifle, a few spare mags, and a sling.

For that same $1,000 you can get one of the above mentioned AK's ($500 or so), a Mossberg 500 shotgun ($300 or so), AND a Ruger 10-22 ($200 or so). Now you've got a very nearly complete SHTF package of weapons.

So unless you're rolling in cash right now that's what I'd suggest.

As always this is strictly my opinion and your mileage can and probably will vary.

Have fun on the Steppes.

L

37 posted on 01/28/2010 12:03:23 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: GauchoUSA
I have two answers, one a wise crack, the other serious.

First the wise crack: BFG9000

Now, a hunting rifle: Savage Model 14 in .308 Win

Or a Winchester Model 70

Or perhaps one like my Springfield '03 in 30-06


38 posted on 01/28/2010 12:03:45 PM PST by Poser (Enjoying Prime Rib for 58 Years!)
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To: GauchoUSA

I just bought a 3-in-1 shotgun/rifle from Dick’s sporting goods.

The barrel comes off and you can replace 3 different ones so you have either a 20 guage shotgun, a .22 rifle, and also what lookes like and M-16 rifle shell and the barrel for that has a scope mount.

Not bad for around $150


39 posted on 01/28/2010 12:04:25 PM PST by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: USS Alaska

“use a water pistol”

I’ll make a not on that. Unfortunately with temperatures well bellow -20 C water pistols will not work. Thank you for your concern. Drinking is for later.


40 posted on 01/28/2010 12:04:30 PM PST by GauchoUSA
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To: Lurker

I’d save the money and buy one of them 20mms off a 2S6!


41 posted on 01/28/2010 12:05:47 PM PST by Gaffer ("Profling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: OldMissileer

I agree with the Bushmaster M4-A3. Keep it simple to start, you can always expand on it later. Also get a sling, at least a dozen mags, a couple thousand rounds of ammo and a good cleaning kit. Get to know the rifle inside and out and practice as much as you can.


42 posted on 01/28/2010 12:06:55 PM PST by mikeandike
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To: NavyCanDo

The AK has so-so accuracy.( although you can buy, at a premium, Finn/Western made ) The AK ballistics have a real drop in them vs the flatter shooting AR. The round isn’t quite as devastating as the AR. It weighs more.

Both are good...enough.

I’m on the AR side of the fence.


43 posted on 01/28/2010 12:07:19 PM PST by Leisler (We are in the best of hands)
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To: GauchoUSA

First recommendation would be the Mini 14 Ranch rifle in .223.
For something that will make the Rooskies really take notice, check out the .50 cal Bandit at quackenbushairguns.com.


44 posted on 01/28/2010 12:07:53 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: GauchoUSA

Mosin-Nagant (7.62x54?) would seem an obvious choice.

They seem to be spoken highly of around here (though I have no personal experience with them).


45 posted on 01/28/2010 12:09:44 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: GauchoUSA

Red Ryder


46 posted on 01/28/2010 12:10:49 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: GauchoUSA
cousins along with a couple more friends will go hunting, drinking and shooting...you know man stuff.

Keep working with that mixture, and eventually you won't need to worry about the future.

47 posted on 01/28/2010 12:12:40 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: OneWingedShark

“I’m sure you’ll be getting a lot of advice about other, bigger caliber rounds shortly.”

No pun intended, OWS, but your are right on target, advising smaller caliber rounds. On a cross-country hump, I’d rather carry 500 rounds of 5.56, than 7.62.

An AR, with a well snapped in shooter, is deadly at 1000+ yards.


48 posted on 01/28/2010 12:14:10 PM PST by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: GauchoUSA

bump for later


49 posted on 01/28/2010 12:20:03 PM PST by HeadOn (Al Gore is an idiot. Oh - and a liar. Oh - and a pompous you-know-what.)
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To: FrPR

I agree, I don’t think I’d take any of my good firearms to Russia, I’d be too worried they’d disappear.

I’d take a Mosin Nagant. You can pick one up at a sporting goods store for less than $100.00. Ammo is still pretty cheap too.

Nice, hard hitter for not much money.

Mosin Nagant, Official Firearm of Arthur’s Hall of Viking Manliness!


50 posted on 01/28/2010 12:20:34 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch (Rush Limbaugh, the Winston Churchill of our time)
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