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Sons of Confederate Veterans have a role in modern America
Nolan Chart ^ | Tuesday, February 2, 2010 | Mark Vogl

Posted on 02/03/2010 8:57:04 AM PST by cowboyway

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To: Idabilly; starlifter

Because he does not have the intellectual prowess to counter the reasons why this would be a good thing, so like liberals, simpletons and dictators he wants to suppress such thoughts.


51 posted on 02/06/2010 6:17:39 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


52 posted on 02/06/2010 6:31:39 AM PST by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Non-Sequitur; cowboyway

Lost in this discussion is the premise from the article posted above: America faces a crossroads very similar to those prior to Fort Sumter. More government, less nationalism, maybe socialism, which way do we go?

A simple and accurate statement followed by a logical question.

“The South lost their rebellion. Deal with it”

Indeed. That’s what we are doing now, dealing with the ramifications of having lost the war and federalism, the core of the Confederacy’s government and, once upon a time, the United States. What the southern states tried to get away from was a future susceptible to total federal government dominance and presidential dictators — exactly where we are today, compliments of Abraham Lincoln.

The northern victory on the battlefield — though it took pathetically long considering the odds, and thus, certainly nothing to brag about — has brought us to brink of defeat in terms of self governance and freedom.

Your “victory” is a cold dish indeed. And yet you eat it gleefully and gratefully. It appears that Aristotle was right, there are some people who really do want to be taken care of by the government from the cradle to the grave. Aristotle called them “natural slaves.”

Ironic, isn’t it, that you unwittingly support that which you hate about the South, only under the guise of socialism.


53 posted on 02/06/2010 6:59:45 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Lee'sGhost
Lost in this discussion is the premise from the article posted above: America faces a crossroads very similar to those prior to Fort Sumter. More government, less nationalism, maybe socialism, which way do we go?

No, the crossroad then was expansion of slavery or not. Whether the government had the right to establish laws in the territories as the Constitution said or not. Whether states rights extended to all states or just the Southern states. There is no similarity between the two, unless you want to say it was a choice between big government under Lincoln vs. bigger, more intrusive government under Davis.

Yes, America is at a crossroads. We do have to choose which path we will take, lower spending or higher spending. Smaller government or more government. Global expansion or domestic priorities. Today's hyper-partisan Washington and the boobs we elect to Congress - on both sides of the aisle - seem unwilling to tackle the issues that need to be tackled and make the hard decisions. There is absolutely no doubt about that. But dusting off the Lost Cause and pretending that it was actually something that it wasn't is ridiculous. The South didn't rebel against the government in Washington, it WAS the government in Washington. For decades prior to the rebellion the South had held a disproportionate level of influence at all levels in D.C. from the number of residents in the White House to the number of clerks in the cabinet departments. If government had grown out of control in 1860 it was because the Southern leadership had let it. So the idea that the rebels were motivated by fear of Washington control is ridiculous in the extreme.

If this nation is to fall and split into two or more countries, and I pray that it does not, then looking to the socialists in 1863 Richmond as an example is absolutely the wrong thing to do. All you need do is look about 85 years earlier than that for all the examples that you need. John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, and James Monroe should be our guides, not Jefferson Davis, Alexander Stephens, Robert Lee or Thomas Jackson.

The South lost. For that I am eternally grateful. Their cause was wrong and their premise was flawed from the beginning. They did not flee big government, they left for the right to keep their fellow humans in bondage. And all the Southron revisionism and papering over the facts that you care to produce will not change that. Their cause was not the cause of today. Southern leaders in Congress today are the problem rather than the solution. Direction and inspiration for any future conflict will not come from the memories of the Southern rebellion but from respect and guidance from the American rebellion.

54 posted on 02/06/2010 7:38:32 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Lee'sGhost
Because he does not have the intellectual prowess to counter the reasons why this would be a good thing, so like liberals, simpletons and dictators he wants to suppress such thoughts.

ROTFLMAO!!!!! And you do?????

55 posted on 02/06/2010 7:39:13 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: cowboyway

Wrong again. You’re nothing if not consistent. Care to answer the question?


56 posted on 02/06/2010 8:01:51 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Answering questions is not the cowboy way. Ducking them and attempted insults are.


57 posted on 02/06/2010 8:03:43 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

“Attempted insults” is right. Most of the Lost Causers seem to occupy a level of wit that makes Larry the Cable Guy sound like part of the Algonquin Round Table.


58 posted on 02/06/2010 9:47:43 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

You realize that now you have to explain to them what the Algonquin Round Table was? Otherwise they’re going to assume you’re talking about King Arthur and they’ll be going, “What the f*ck?”


59 posted on 02/06/2010 10:24:19 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Actually I’m talking about the Round Table Pizza in Algonquin, Illinois. It’s the wittiest pizza joint in the northwest suburbs.


60 posted on 02/06/2010 11:56:56 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: cowboyway

Not this lost cause baloney again.


61 posted on 02/06/2010 11:58:54 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never "free")
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To: Non-Sequitur
“Attempted insults” is right. Most of the Lost Causers seem to occupy a level of wit that makes Larry the Cable Guy sound like part of the Algonquin Round Table.

The non-sensical, bubba hoe temp version of the Algonquin Round Table is commonly know as the Circle Jerk.

62 posted on 02/07/2010 7:07:25 AM PST by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: M. Espinola
Not this lost cause baloney again.

Well, bye.....

63 posted on 02/07/2010 7:10:42 AM PST by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Southern leaders in Congress today are the problem rather than the solution.

Once again you've shown us who you really are: a big government communist.

It's well know that you hate all things about the South. Your hatred is sick and sickening to the rest of us.

It's unfortunate that you and your beloved northern leaders (Kerry, Schumer, Dodd, Frank, Weiner, Biden, Obama, Clinton, et al) can't go off and create the communist heaven that you dream of.

64 posted on 02/07/2010 7:25:20 AM PST by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: cowboyway
The non-sensical, bubba hoe temp version of the Algonquin Round Table is commonly know as the Circle Jerk.

Clownboyway has spoken...

65 posted on 02/07/2010 7:30:29 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: cowboyway
Once again you've shown us who you really are: a big government communist.

Once again you've shown you had no idea what you're talking about.

It's well know that you hate all things about the South. Your hatred is sick and sickening to the rest of us.

And it's well known you hate the United States and all things concerned with that. So what else is new?

It's unfortunate that you and your beloved northern leaders (Kerry, Schumer, Dodd, Frank, Weiner, Biden, Obama, Clinton, et al) can't go off and create the communist heaven that you dream of.

Something that would be more in keeping with Jeff Davis' confederacy than Abe Lincoln's U.S.

66 posted on 02/07/2010 7:32:54 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

It wasn’t a rebellion. It was a war for freedom like the war of 1776-81


67 posted on 02/07/2010 9:40:38 AM PST by AzaleaCity5691
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To: Non-Sequitur
And it's well known you hate the United States and all things concerned with that. So what else is new?

You're going to have to put up or shut up on that statement, twinkletoes.

Here's the deal, you show where I've ever made a post stating that I hate the United States or you leave FR forever. (your pathetic attempts at spin and lying aren't going to work this time, boy)

Something that would be more in keeping with Jeff Davis' confederacy than Abe Lincoln's U.S.

The fact that you even posted that proves, once again, that you are one desperately stupid assclown.

68 posted on 02/07/2010 9:45:14 AM PST by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: AzaleaCity5691
It wasn’t a rebellion.

Sure it was.

It was a war for freedom like the war of 1776-81

Well for 2/3rds of your population anyway.

69 posted on 02/07/2010 10:57:22 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: cowboyway
You're going to have to put up or shut up on that statement, twinkletoes.

Your words speak for themselves.

Here's the deal, you show where I've ever made a post stating that I hate the United States or you leave FR forever. (your pathetic attempts at spin and lying aren't going to work this time, boy)

If you will show where I've ever said I hate the South.

The fact that you even posted that proves, once again, that you are one desperately stupid assclown.

And by that statement alone you show your abysmal ignorance of the history of your blessed confederacy. But abysmal ignorance is very much the cowboy way.

70 posted on 02/07/2010 10:59:33 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Well when you can’t rebut your opponent on the facts resulting to petty insults is always an interesting strategy.


71 posted on 02/07/2010 12:20:04 PM PST by AzaleaCity5691
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To: AzaleaCity5691
Well when you can’t rebut your opponent on the facts resulting to petty insults is always an interesting strategy.

Not particularly interesting, really. The Lost Causers seem to resort to it too early and without enough imagination to really be successful at it. Their insults are mostly stuck in the realm of homophobia and scatology. I guess if that's what's on their minds, though, that's what comes out.

72 posted on 02/07/2010 12:50:26 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Lee'sGhost
Indeed, southern honor at its finest....
73 posted on 02/07/2010 1:28:45 PM PST by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: starlifter

At least not as bad as the lynchings and ghettoizing the northrons did. The difference, we got over it.


74 posted on 02/07/2010 2:20:44 PM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: cowboyway

Our cause is true, for freedom and never 'lost'!

75 posted on 02/07/2010 11:19:06 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never "free")
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To: Non-Sequitur
If you will show where I've ever said I hate the South.

Back up your statement or go away forever. Just to refresh your memory:"And it's well known you hate the United States and all things concerned with that."--non-sequitur from post #66

Now back it up or leave, big boy.

76 posted on 02/08/2010 5:39:12 AM PST by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: cowboyway
Back up your statement or go away forever.

You are about the last person around here to complain about others not backing up statements.

Now back it up or leave, big boy.

No, I think I'll stick with my opinion and I'll also stick around for a while longer. I'm having too much fun with clowns like you.

77 posted on 02/08/2010 5:42:35 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur; All
You are about the last person around here to complain about others not backing up statements.

Once again, NS has made a statement that he can't back up but yet, he doesn't have the integrity to admit it and in fact, based on this statement, "I'm having too much fun with clowns like you.", he is nothing more than a self-righteous troll.

78 posted on 02/08/2010 8:21:42 AM PST by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: cowboyway
Once again, NS has made a statement that he can't back up but yet, he doesn't have the integrity to admit it and in fact, based on this statement, "I'm having too much fun with clowns like you.", he is nothing more than a self-righteous troll.

And once again for you to complain about a lack of integrity in others is about as hypocritical as you can get.

See ya around the next Lost Cause thread.

79 posted on 02/08/2010 8:25:38 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Lee'sGhost
At least not as bad as the lynchings and ghettoizing the northrons did.

So southern lynchings of blacks were somehow better than northern lynchings? Maybe it's because they had more practice. Of 3446 lynchings of blacks between 1882 and 1968 catalogued by the Tuskegee Institute, 3029 took place in the eleven states that made up the confederacy.

And are you seriously going to argue that blacks in southern cities didn't live in ghettos?

80 posted on 02/08/2010 8:54:08 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Lee'sGhost
At least not as bad as the lynchings and ghettoizing the northrons did. The difference, we got over it.

Apparently not.

81 posted on 02/08/2010 9:37:19 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: starlifter

“I hope their role is to STFU and go away.”

That is my hope for you.


82 posted on 02/08/2010 10:59:02 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Once again you miss the point. What I’ve never been able to figure out is whether it is intentional or due to a lack of cognitive dissection.


83 posted on 02/08/2010 11:46:46 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

LOL! As brief a response as it is hollow.

Well done!


84 posted on 02/08/2010 11:48:12 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Lee'sGhost
Once again you miss the point. What I’ve never been able to figure out is whether it is intentional or due to a lack of cognitive dissection.

It's lack of a coherent point to miss.

85 posted on 02/08/2010 11:58:52 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Lee'sGhost

Oh, do explain.


86 posted on 02/08/2010 12:16:18 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Here. I’ll simplify.

It means either you don’t want to understand or you are incapable of understanding. Based on your last question I’m thinking it’s the latter.


87 posted on 02/08/2010 12:18:17 PM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Lee'sGhost
No, I'm pretty sure that I understand the point that you were trying to make. I've been around these boards enough to see it on a regular basis. It frequently goes along with the argument that slaves were better off in the south than free industrial workers were in the north.

I'm just incredulous at the level of hypocrisy it reveals.

88 posted on 02/08/2010 12:32:14 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Non-Sequitur
See ya around the next Lost Cause thread.

Say bydee-bye, troll.

89 posted on 02/08/2010 2:36:07 PM PST by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: Lee'sGhost
Once again you miss the point. What I’ve never been able to figure out is whether it is intentional or due to a lack of cognitive dissection.

Oh, they get the point but they're living in a permanant state of liberal, PC denial.

90 posted on 02/08/2010 2:39:20 PM PST by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: cowboyway

Bydee-bye.


91 posted on 02/08/2010 2:40:41 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

I think that a stirring rendition of “I’m a Lost Cause Freeper” is in order, in honor of Idabilly, cowboyway, and Lee’s Ghost. And also since Friday is the Great Man’s 201st birthday. Will you do the honors?


92 posted on 02/08/2010 2:48:35 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Boy, ol' Stand dropped off the face of the earth again, didn't he? I wonder if that book ever came.

I'M A LOST CAUSER FREEPER
or, The Ballad of Stand Watie

Oh, I’m a Lost Cause Freeper, now that’s just what I am.
For standard capitalization, I do not give a damn.
No tale’s too big to make up, no sources I will quote
And I don’t need no spell-check for anything I wrote.

I hates the stars and stripes flag, I loves the stars and bars
I stuck a big Third National on the bumper of my car
I got a Cherokee flag that I had special made
Most people when they meet me, think I’m touched in the haid.

I hates all things from up north. I really, really do
If Santa’s from the pole there, well then I hates him too.
I’ve been a Lost Cause Freeper for seven years or more.
I only talks ‘bout pancakes, and the late Civil War.

The Yanks killed all my kinfolk, ev’ry single one.
And there’s a captured U-boat on display in Galveston.
Quantrill spelled his name wrong, ev’ry single time
And ev’ry Union soldier shoulda been hung for a crime,

That I’m a protected poster many here can vouch
When Jim Rob comes to DC, he sleeps here on my couch
I can’t express myself in words like normal people do
My fingers hurt from pounding keys, I might have a loose screw.

Three hundred thousand posts here, they all read just the same
And if my facts are incorrect, I will not take the blame
I got it from a book I read, one you cannot find
And don’t you dare suggest it’s a figment of my mind

I’m stuck in these United States, beneath the flag I hate
I sign my posts “free dixie” but am resigned to my fate
I’ll keep on fightin’ my war, on every single thread
I won’t stop actin’ crazy until I am dead


93 posted on 02/08/2010 3:05:50 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: starlifter
Photobucket Indeed, northern honor at its finest August 2008, Niagara Falls, New York
94 posted on 02/08/2010 5:28:31 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1
First off, that's not the fountain in the Niagara Falls case, but I guess they all look the same to you.

Second, are you really going to make a moral equivalence argument between a truck driver taping a hand lettered sign above a water fountain as a dumb joke and real, police enforced segregation of public facilities?

95 posted on 02/08/2010 5:58:05 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: VanDeKoik

“Too bad they didnt reject and free the slaves so most of the world wouldn’t have to roll their eyes at that statement.”

General James Longstreet, Lee’s right-hand man, reportedly said the Confederacy should have freed the slaves then fired on Fort Sumter.


96 posted on 02/08/2010 6:01:18 PM PST by chippewaman
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To: chippewaman
General James Longstreet, Lee’s right-hand man, reportedly said the Confederacy should have freed the slaves then fired on Fort Sumter.

James Longstreet didn't say that, Tom Berrenger did. And only because the script for "Gettysburg" included it.

97 posted on 02/08/2010 6:11:28 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

‘WHITES ONLY’ SIGN FOUND IN NIAGARA FALLS DRINKING FOUNTAIN
Jump to Comments
NIAGARA FALLS: A NEW SIGN OF RACISM

By Rick Forgione

Niagara Gazette
August 20, 2008


98 posted on 02/08/2010 6:30:47 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Photobucket
99 posted on 02/08/2010 6:37:21 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

http://blog.nj.com/ledgerarchives/2009/02/leisure_activities_remained_qu.html

“Wiltse found that blacks and whites routinely swam together in the late 1800s and early 1900s. That changed when the migration of large numbers of rural Southern blacks to Northern states triggered a squeamishness among whites over sharing a pool with them.

The professed concern appeared to involve hygiene, and a notion that poor blacks coming from a farming background would have lower standards of cleanliness. Even in public schools, swimming remained segregated long after all other scholastic activities were integrated.”


100 posted on 02/08/2010 6:44:20 PM PST by bushpilot1
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