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To MBA or not to MBA, that is MY question to YOU. (VANITY)
Vanity ^ | 02-FEB-2010 | MikeUSAF

Posted on 02/07/2010 9:42:15 AM PST by TSgt

I believe FR is comprised of a large body of intelligent and successful people from various walks of life and educational backrounds. That said, I propose the following question for your guidance and would appreciate your feedback.

I'm 33, have Associates and Bachelor's degrees in Computer Science, 15 years of experience in my field, several premium industry certifications and 10 years of military service. I am currently an IT manager for a large pharmaceutical corporation and have a nice commensurate salary. All of my academic endeavors have been successful and I enjoy learning new things though I'm not a 4.0 student usually due to my professional workload. I have a variety of work experience in various industries including, government, transportation, energy and biotech. I have always received impeccable reviews and rapid promotions based on my work performance.

That said, my goal is to leave corporate America by the time I'm 40 and own my own business. I am currently pursuing my MBA at an AACSB accredited college at the behest of my current manager. The problem is, I hate it. I would rather spend time investigating business opportunities than writing papers for a managerial communication class. Most of my classmates are clueless 20 somethings who have never held a manager position or real job.

Should I stick with the MBA or stop now and use the next several years to learn how to be a successful entrepreneur?

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KEYWORDS: business; mba; soulsearching
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My personal opinion is, unless you’re going to a top 20 school (Darden, Duke, etc.), you’re wasting your time. However, if your company is paying for it, you may as well finish up.

Personally as a manager, I’m unimpressed with an MBA if it’s from a school like Strayer, DeVry, etc. I’m also unimpressed when I see a person goes straight from undergrad to graduate school.

21 posted on 02/07/2010 10:24:14 AM PST by VA_Gentleman ("Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very internet you invented." -Jon Stewart)
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Do both - finish the MBA courses and look into business opportunities. If the business opportunities don’t work out, you will be well served by having an MBA on your resume - employers love that sort of stuff although in a lot of cases it’s worthless in the real world and only valuable if one has inherent abilities beyond the class room environment.

22 posted on 02/07/2010 10:24:26 AM PST by unique
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Get your MBA, its an almost guaranteed job getter and promotion getter. You don't have to be smart to get an MBA but the MBA will get you promoted. And if they realize you aren't smart, they'll promote you again just to get you out of the department.....LOL!

In my 35 year career with my old employer, I only had one MBA manager who was smart and I respected. All the others I worked for were nothing but self serving idiots who rose thru the ranks via the "buddy system".......

23 posted on 02/07/2010 10:26:56 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (I want a hoochie-mama for Christmas, only a hoochie-mama will do............)
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Just one more point, Mike.

A very smart guy once advised me that, in choosing your path, choose what you love.

If you are doing what you love, you will pour your enthusiasm into it (and anyone who pours his heart and soul into something is going to be much smarter, luckier, and happier in doing it than those who are only moderately interested).

24 posted on 02/07/2010 10:31:37 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies (Luk 12:34 -- For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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Think of this as if you ALREADY HAD an MBA. Do a cost/benefit analysis.

This is what we did with our son when he entered Wharton.

Calculate what it will cost you do to this. Calculate what you will be expecting to increase in earnings over a 5 year period AFTER you graduate (you can get data from a variety of sources including the schools themselves and other MBA candidates). Decide whether there is somebody out there who will pay for you to get your MBA in exchange for some well-paid indentured servitude.

Then, you come up with the best option. Part of that option is your own personality and your goals. YOU are the biggest factor in this. Do you have an idea of what you want to DO with an MBA? Do you have a plan already? Are you doing this just as a resume enhancement or because ‘it’s the next thing to do’?

And an MBA from a place with a specific reputation makes a big, big, big difference in what kind of job you get offered. If you are starting your second year in an MBA program and you aren’t already getting offers, something is wrong.

In our own case, our son had an offer to pay for a Harvard MBA with a 3 yr contract at $125K. Despite the $150K price, he decided to go to Wharton and become a free agent. He not only matched his salary at a bigger company (not Wall Street, which is a $$$$$ only decision), stock options and a future of advancement in something interesting. And within 5 years he will have paid back his entire MBA costs and still be at those high end salary ranges.

It’s equal parts calculation and ambition/planning. Decide WHAT you want this for and that will rule out the bad options right away.

Hope this helps. This is a very exciting point in life. But be prepared for a whole lot of math....

25 posted on 02/07/2010 10:32:35 AM PST by bpjam (If it seems to good to be true, best to shoot it. Just to be safe. - Fione Glenanne)
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You need to find yourself an “Executive MBA” program. These require years of job experience to get into, and have a much higher maturity level.

26 posted on 02/07/2010 10:36:26 AM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way...
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I own and run my business without having an MBA. Both my father and stepmother did the same for 30+ years each. They had 2 or 4 years of votech training. ANd, sure, they made good money; they did not live marginally.

I’ve always questioned the need for an MBA and what it teaches or what you get out of it.

I’ve also worked corporate for 14 years. I was considering the MBA after receiving my MSEE. So, I talked to colleagues who actually went through it, and they typically responded that they really didn’t find it was worth the money and effort. It was more of a ticket in certain corporate situations.

Regarding my own business, I haven’t found yet that any bank/investor or company I contracted with ever asked if I had an MBA or even cared about my educational background nor did they even check. What I see they care about is how much money you’re going to make for them and previous successes.’What have you done?’ is what gets you the business. As a starting point, they were interested in the fact that I had long experience in factory management and productivity improvements, both in technical fields and personnel management.

And, since we’re talking anonymously, I’ll tell you that payoffs are part of the negotiations. There will be plenty of folks on here unapproving of payoffs in business, but they do occur and you may encounter it. When I first encountered this, I asked my parents about it and to my surprise they told me that they encountered this also.
Working in corporate, I never saw this. But, I now see it occurs maybe not internally, but definitely externally between companies and really between individuals. Example,
‘you want that contract approved internally in 30 days instead of 120 days? $10k will do it.’

27 posted on 02/07/2010 10:37:01 AM PST by AlmaKing
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To: HK Ball

HK - it took you 10 years to figure out many of the profs were phoneys especially at Harvard? I would go back to Harvard and demand my money back (just kidding - sarcasm).

I have one from a state school. A lot of my finance professors had been engineers so they generally were not full of ***t.

To other posters - take a look at this educated man’s post. Please note he never uses the term “that being said.”

Somebody please tell me where the h*ll did that come from? I usually hear financial guys on the radio and other people posting on golfer web sites using the “that being said.”

It is the stupidest phrase. Another management or corporate buzz phrase is “circle back.” Thank God I do not have to hear c*ap like this each day except on a few phone calls.

28 posted on 02/07/2010 10:38:03 AM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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If you want to climb a corporate ladder, get an MBA. Pointy haired bosses are impressed with shiny pieces of paper with lots of extra letters after your name.

If you want to really learn how business is done, take that money and buy a small kiosk in a shopping mall and run it for 2 years. You’ll learn more in that 2 years of small business ownership than you would in 20 years of MBA courses.

29 posted on 02/07/2010 10:42:33 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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This is harsh, but unless you are going to a top 20 school (USNews), there is little economic reason to get a MBA. If your employer pays for a non-top 20 MBA, go ahead and take it if you want to stay at that company for an additional 10 years or until retirement.

I have a BSME, several patents at big name IT companies, and a MBA from the #7 school at the time. When I interviewed to go to Wall Street as a high-tech analyst, the following question was asked more than once:

“If you are so smart, why didn’t you go to HBS? (Harvard Business School)” It was a serious question.

I ended up getting a great job for 5 years that really propelled my career, but I sure do remember the sting of that question.

BTW, the reason that a HBS, Wharton or Stanford MBA is so valued is not the course material, but rather the tight screen on the admission side. It is evidence that you have made some very difficult cuts and are less likely to fail in your job-to-be. And, before I get flamed, there are many HBS graduates that have served prison sentences. Milken was a Wharton grad, BTW.

30 posted on 02/07/2010 11:15:13 AM PST by Andy from Chapel Hill
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Yeah, get your MBA. I picked mine up 30 years ago when corporate America really didn’t know what an MBA was. I never really used it in an organization, but it did help me as an entrepreneur, and it other areas that I would never have expected. I was remarkably clever, and managed to graduate from both of my degree programs directly into recessions. Genius!

Well, since it appeared I was going to poor no matter what my educational qualifications, I decided to drive airliners around. I was absolutely amazed at the number of cockpit jobs (yes, it was the start of deregulation), that were thrown at me. It wasn’t because of my aeronautical credentials, which were minimal. It was that MBA that got me into the cockpits, and it kept happening through my whole career. Go figure!

One of the great benefits to that MBA degree is that I ordered my fiscal affairs far differently than the rest of my aeronautical brethren (generally a profligate lot). Even after I retired, I was left in a financially comfortable condition. This is the exception for most airline pilots these days. As you are obviously aware, corporate America is no longer what it once was. When I graduated, MBA’s wouldn’t touch being on their own with a ten foot pole. No more. Entrepreneurialism is the wave of the immediate future. No more broken promises from an corporate organization that you really can’t control anyway.

I’ve always been an entrepreneur on the side, and I’m full time now. My children are being raised in that tribe as well, but that is another story. :-)

31 posted on 02/07/2010 11:51:11 AM PST by Habibi ("It is vain to do with more what can be done with less." - William of Occm)
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Finish your MBA. You will learn a lot about finance and marketing that will help you later on when you own your own business.

32 posted on 02/07/2010 11:54:15 AM PST by Avid Coug
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To: The KG9 Kid
Go for the MBA.

Failing that, I'll sell you mine. I'm 60 years-old and won't need it much anymore.

33 posted on 02/07/2010 11:55:57 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Obama: The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers)
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When you walk into a job interview, whether at a new company or in a dept of your current company where you are attempting to transfer or move up, they don't know you. Having an MBA tells the interviewer that you have been exposed to the basic concepts and "terms of art" that are customary in all of the key functions in a corporation which are part of the MBA accreditation requirements. These will also be critical if you go out on your own:

Finance: cash flow, the life-blood of business

Marketing: how to create and manage brands and demand

Cost accounting: What is your break-even volume?

Financial accounting: matching revenues and expenses

Business Law: UCC and contract law basics

Quantitative analysis for business, including statistics

I was continually amazed, as I completed the equivalent of an MBA in finance and a master of accounting degree all at night school, at how much of my course work I was able to apply directly to my day job in corporate financial analysis at a Fortune 50 company.

Most of the students were younger than I was and I ran circles around them and got the most out of the professor (who had a day job) by reading ahead and doing all assignment in advance of class. I got out of it what I put into it, which was a lot!

I survived 120,000 layoffs over 10 years at one company due, in part, to having both my CPA and masters degree and being able to draw on a wide range of skills to adapt to what was needed at the time.

34 posted on 02/07/2010 1:20:24 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Concho

Totally agree with you comments. Ever clown college out there has an MBA program and every 27 year old graduate will work far cheaper than a 40 year old.

I always say, “College is what you did when you were 20, so what have you done since?”

If I were to put out a req for a project manager right now I would probably get back not less than 1,000 resumes, of which 250 will have an MBA or other worthless Master’s degree and 750 will have a PMP, also known as a 12 week wonder course.

35 posted on 02/07/2010 1:38:18 PM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: Seizethecarp

Inspiring story!

36 posted on 02/07/2010 1:53:41 PM PST by thecodont
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Have you tried this?

In view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual act of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.


37 posted on 02/07/2010 10:02:23 PM PST by uptoolate (I have a feeling that blood will have to be spilled...)
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To: CodeToad
750 will have a PMP, also known as a 12 week wonder course.

As a PMP I can tell you that you have underestimated the difficulty of obtaining this accreditation.
38 posted on 02/08/2010 4:08:30 AM PST by TSgt (I long for Norman Rockwell's America.)
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Continue with your MBA. If it teaches you anything then hopefully it will be to trust your own feelings and not rely on opinions of unknown quality from a bunch of people you don't know. Including me.

Non-Sequitur MBA, PMP, PMI-RMP

39 posted on 02/08/2010 4:13:51 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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“As a PMP I can tell you that you have underestimated the difficulty of obtaining this accreditation.”

I have it, too, so I know, and it was pathetically easy to “earn”. The PMI is about making money and it shows. It seems many who have a PMP consider it a major accomplishment...which tells a lot about those who covet it. It is a wimpy certification for underachievers. I was a director over a $5 million/year PMO consulting office and found it to be a complete joke. You can’t even put 10 PMPs in a room and get the same answer twice, and just because a person has a PMP does not mean they actually understand project management much less the engineering principles of which they are managing. I found the average PMP to be a non-engineer that wanted to be a manager, hence the “12-week wonder” comment. Try getting an engineering degree and being a professional engineer of at least 10 years experience before becoming a project manager and that PMP will look like a useless joke designed for non-engineers that want to be project managers right out of college. Of course, to executive managers the PMI has sold them on the idea that the PMP is a great certification of major proportions. Hell, I sold execs on it as a consultant; made a ton of money with it, too. There is nothing more dangerous to an organization than an otherwise unqualified and inexperienced individual with a PMP that now feels empowered to enforce their bad decisions.

40 posted on 02/08/2010 6:09:40 AM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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