Pit bull kills girl, 5, in Mississippi

And another one :

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“It’s to bad the only experience you have are the dog’s next door. I thought you would have shot them by now.”
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I’m 60years +,,,

I remember 2 pits being shot dead within a few blocks of

our house when I was around 8-10yo,,,

Before I was born Gran’paw shot my uncle’s pit when he

took after the maid,,,

The uncle was one of the idiots that liked dawg fighting,,,

Early ‘50’s our milkman “Mr.James” got bitten by a pit-mix

that he had been around for years,,,

Brought the milk/etc. in the folks house and got nailed,,,

We learned to stay away from them,,,

All it will take for me to cap one is a clean shot with

no kids downrange...

My dad is 70 and had a APBT as a pet. He still talks about how much the family loved it.
I have shot and seen shot several German Sheppard's that had attacked a person or live stock. You seem to talk the talk.
Guess we will have to get rid of all the police dogs.
I'm not going to push for a breed specific ban.
I can't understand your reasoning.

The first step is making owners be responsible for their animals. Pass a law that makes it mandatory for a one million dollar liability policy to be in force for every pit bull anyone owns. No all will comply but as they are discovered the dogs need to be confiscated, destroyed, and the owners cited and fined.
When one of these dogs attacks and injures or kills a person or another animal the owner should be held accountable in the same manner he would be if he had used a deadly weapon in his own hand to commit the crime. These are dangerous animals and owners may chose to ignore this fact but they should be held accountable no matter what their attitude, ideas, or words. The attitude of I didn't know doesn't get it. These are the same people who have been defending these dogs. They know, they have been told. They just don't want to believe it. Too Bad. You own them you are accountable no matter what, when, or how.

I agree owners need to be responsible.
Picking out a single breed for elimination is not only wrong but unrealistic.
Unenforceable laws are a costly waste of time.
Contrary to the media hype; all APBT are not naturally vicious. I know from years of experience. I also would probably believe otherwise if all I had to base my argument on was the media.
I actually leave the house and get real world experience.

You seem to talk the talk.
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I have no doubt most folks love their “pets”,,,

That's a given,,,

German Sheppard's and any other breed will chase cows,,,

As I have posted German Sheppard's of the US Army K-9 Corps

were trained close to my unit back in ‘67,,,

Ain't a pretty sight,,,

Ya’ just made me think of something,,,

I can't think of even one of those K-9 Troopers ever turning

on their Handler or any Grunt,,,

Only attacked VC-NVA,,,

I wonder why pits are used in fights and not

German Sheppard's or Yorkies ?!?,,,

Could it be the BREED?...DUH...

We must live in different dimensions.
One of the Sheppard bites I witnessed the dog was owned by a ex tunnel rat/dog handler.
He bit my neighbor right in the mouth.
This dog was schutzhund trained. The Shepperd I shot not only harassed livestock but broke into our rabbit hutches and killed all our rabbits. Sounds like a natural born killer to me.

Nothing that I say about Pits is based on the media. The data, factual data is out there if you chose to look. You are repeating the pit bull owners propaganda line. Here are a couple that I use when preparing data for prosecution. http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html
http://www.dogsbite.org/blog/2008/08/insurance-institute-releases-2007-data.html
Pits make up from 9-12% of the pet dogs in this country but are responsible for almost 60% of the K-9 homicides. They are responsible for more fatal attacks than all other breeds combined. This has nothing to do with the media and everything to do with recorded factual data.
If you wish to continue to lie to yourself that is great but your statements don't live anywhere near the truth. These dogs have been identified specifically by many different laws and they are getting convictions all the time. No criminal element has a 100% compliance with any law. Laws of this nature are used as tools to eliminate the threat and make people accountable for their decisions and actions. If you wish to challenge this data, go for it. I'm really interested in any factual, provable truth type documentation that you can bring up. The I feel, or I know stuff is an insult to rational thought. Facts, provable truth only please.

That’s a good point about German shepherds. They aren’t known for damaging their handlers and are useful in their war duties. I avoid them for livestock work in the world, though, and prefer the more northern European shepherd breeds (Tervuren, Burnese, and the like).

Grow up.

A sampling of the unwarranted and scurrilous attacks by the near-illiterate newbie "GranTorino" on this poster, on a recent pit bull thread:

Get a life or go back to work Lib. I’m sure your boss likes you flaming on company time.

Well, I don’t have to worry then sense I am a responsible dog owner, Lib.

Bulls Vs FOOLS.

I hope you can post some good gun shot wounds and car recks to sicko. You should post about somthing you have some knoweledge about.

You are a progressive liberal aren't you? You Troll....I don't need a lib like you telling me someone needs to exterminate a loving member of my family.

I have read these and dogbite.org clearly states that it gets it's info from the media. A biased media in my opinion.
dogbite .org Relies on CDC data which is also bias.Breeds are routinly misidentified by the media and law enforcement.
The word pit bull sells. I have been following this topic for some time and it is pretty obvious.People drink the kool-aid on this conservative site which surprised me.
I have no problem with your opinion. I think dog bite crimes are a horrible thing. I also think picking on a certain breed is counter productive. Bad dogs bite. I don't have the time to post the real data I have seen on this site. Solosmoke has done it for me on past postings on this subject.
I just want to see some positive solutions that work. Not the constant “ban the breed “ I see here from hateful people.
I would give a rats a$$ about this topic if I didn't have 15 years of hands on experience with the breed. I realize they are over bred and they aren't a dog for everyone. To wipe any species of animal, domestic or wild, off the face of the earth seems foolish. It seems it is a good place for people to state how macho they are about killing an animal that can't speak up to defend itself.

Their stats come from county health offices all over our country. Docs and hospitals are required to report dog bites. County animal control tracks all dogs by breed licensed in their home counties. Usually all reported information is forwarded to the county health department who reports it up the chain.
My numbers are not based on the media or on the wives tails of pit bull owners. I have been officially challenged on these numbers many times and they always hold up.
Statistical data does not lie. Statistical data does not get distorted because of bias.
Please stick to supportable facts. Provable truth or properly gathered statistical data count. The “I feel, I know” stuff doesn’t float.

None of these studies have any science behind them.
The dogbite.org study was put together by a magazine editor based on media reports. Kind of reminds me of the climate change studies I see. Your other site states that a breed specific ban would be impractical. It looks like this study is also flawed by the inaccuracy of reporting. Doctors cannot tell what type of breed bit a person by looking at the bite. “Usually all reported information is forwarded” sounds like bad science to me.
I think dog bite fatality's are a terrible thing. Banning a single breed will be followed up by banning the next killer dog on the list if this were to actually work.
I have trained dogs also and have 15 years of personal experience with the breed. I feel that owner responsibility, educating the public and cleaning up our neighborhoods is actually something that would work. Not more unenforceable laws. Here are some sites that go more in this direction. It sounds like they would work better than a breed ban. nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com;atts.org;cdc.gov;chuko.org;ect.

You don't get it. I have a kennel full of border collies. At 6 weeks old we put then on a flock of ducks to see how they work. If they don't work they are gone. This is what the dogs have been bred to do for the last 500 years. It is called instinct. There is no way you can take it out of them, You can modify the instinct but it is there from the day they are born until the day they die.
Pits have been bred to bite and fight for the last 500 years. It is also instinct. It is there the day they are born and will be there the day they die.
This is not a nurture thing, it is a nature thing.
The numbers I use are very valid. I gave you those sites so you could get a look at some relevant statistics. The US department of health has all the current statistics and they are readily available. What you want me to believe is that you know how to overcome mother nature and bred in instinct. The Statistics and a pile of dead kids say something totally different. Let me put the ball in your court. Show me good scientific data that concludes that this breed is as gentile as you claim.

For whatever reason, the dog was allowed to live to it's natural end.

I always have a rule of thumb with biting dogs.

One time, shame on the dog, twice shame on me. Dogs don't have hands or a voice, so they communicate fear or loathing with their teeth or mouth. Those that bite hard and draw blood without provocation however, must be watched closely and effort must be made to retrain. If it bites again, I quietly and without hesitation, kill them.

Pits are not, repeat NOT vicious by nature. The error with this dog is it's powerful jaws. If it chooses to use them on a person, it will indeed cause damages every time..

I can't say that I would ever own one because I still have smallish grand kids, but I have certainly been around them and find them no different then any other dog in so far as their personality traits.

Having said that, I understand those who fear this animal. I also understand the reasons for numerous communities who have outright banned the ownership of these dogs.

The problems with the pit bull are all linked to the people who own them, and you can't force a person to be a responsible owner anymore then you can get them to take their vote seriously as in the case of Obama.

People being what they are, and in the interest of public safety, I will leave this matter to the local communities to either outright ban the ownership of the animal, or not.

But it's not the dog! The dog is not responsible for it's design and it's strength.

Docs and hospitals are required to report dog bites.

And there couldn't be a more unreliable source for accurate identification of the breed involved. It isn't the fault of doctors dutifully dictating their summaries, but the situation in which they are placed.

You have your experience and I have mine. Once an identification is made anywhere on a medical history, it is *very hard to get it changed even when the error is known.

No one cares.

I gave you info in my last post.
You have obviously never had any hands on experience with APBTs.
When I got my first APBT I lived on a farm. I trained my dog well one of her duties on the farm was to get rid of groundhogs. She killed 16 in one year. Many more than I did with my gun.
When I got married we moved to a five acre lot. My wife owned a APBT also so now we had two(it is the reason we met).
We bought 15 ducks for Easter one year. We turned the ducks out into the yard/pond. It took about 15 minuets for the dogs to adjust. After this they never went after a duck. In fact they would chase the dog that had killed 16 groundhogs around, biting at her tail. she would eventually retreat to the house.
In the end a Sheppard that lived next door got lose when we were away and killed the one duck we had kept as a pet and not sold.
Throw around all the “statistics” you want. I have first hand, hands on knowledge.
Your the one who” don't get it”
Your time would be better spent promoting constructive solutions like cleaning up bad neighborhoods and promoting responsible dog ownership.

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