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(CCW Vanity) Any FReepers have any experience with purpose-built concealed carry coat?
http://www.freerepublic.com ^ | 2/13/2010 | blueflag

Posted on 02/13/2010 12:24:57 PM PST by Blueflag

Anyone have experience with concealed carry coats with the built-in ambidextrous pistol pockets? Looking for pros/cons recommendations ...

Comfort? Print? Practicality?

e.g., http://www.freerepublic.com

Looking for options in addition to waist holsters and shoulder holsters.

Thanks for the advice


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Anyone have experience with concealed carry coats with the built-in ambidextrous pistol pockets?

Comfort? Print? Practicality?

e.g., http://www.freerepublic.com

Looking for options in addition to waist holsters and shoulder holsters.

Thanks for the advice

1 posted on 02/13/2010 12:24:58 PM PST by Blueflag
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To: Blueflag

oops.

For example: http://www.mackspw.com/Item—i-SSI5114S

we regret the error.


2 posted on 02/13/2010 12:28:56 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Blueflag

SW 442 in a pants pocket.

Its light, It kicks like hell, and the long double action trigger sucks, but it will keep ya from shooting yer balls off when you draw it.

There is always a trade off on concealabilty.

I like the little PA 64 too with a SOB holster too


3 posted on 02/13/2010 12:31:50 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Blueflag

Sucks in summer in Texas


4 posted on 02/13/2010 12:32:31 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Blueflag

Try this.

http://licensed2carry.com/index.php?osCsid=6ea2cc3b282193422f568ba384c92a79


5 posted on 02/13/2010 12:33:21 PM PST by davetex (Arm up, Ammo up, Practice up, We're on our own.)
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To: Blueflag

My mistake. You asked about coats.

You can conceal anything in winter. It just aint a problem.

I suppose access is the biggest problem in winter.


6 posted on 02/13/2010 12:34:56 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Blueflag

7 posted on 02/13/2010 12:35:30 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

You could carry a 1911 in that coat pocket easy.


8 posted on 02/13/2010 12:37:23 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Blueflag
My favorite is a 5 or 6 inch belly band.
Most will handle 2 pistols and 2 magazines.
The cost is only about 25 to 35 dollars.
They are great under a short sleeve shirt in hot weather.
9 posted on 02/13/2010 12:38:04 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: Blueflag

The weapon you choose to carry should be the foremost determinant in your choice of how to carry it IMO. It’s size, action, and design will dictate what kind of coat or concealment method is or is not appropriate. personally, I like a leather jacket with a pocket large enough to hold my hand wrapped around a hammerless S&W 340 M&P. This is much faster than having to reach inside your coat and it gives you the element of surprise even if someone already has a weapon directed at you.


10 posted on 02/13/2010 12:38:39 PM PST by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: Blueflag

This is a vanity that I can assuredly say, “No I do not have even a cell of experience.” :-D. I wish I did though.


11 posted on 02/13/2010 12:39:30 PM PST by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: Blueflag

It’s not a good idea. It’s just too easy for you to take your coat off and leave your gun unattended. At least with the shoulder holster, which is a superior method of carry anyway, you are concealed when you have your coat on... which by the way is the case when you have the gun in the coat pocket. If you take the coat off (and you ARE going to take it off), what are you going to do with the gun if it’s in the coat?


12 posted on 02/13/2010 12:42:55 PM PST by Man With A Gun
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To: RC one

I tend to use different arms with different weather.

I cant cover my weapon of choice when it is 105 and 89% humidity, so I compromise.

A heavy coat with a pocket holster would be great if you could wear it every day.

Even that has troubles with positive retention of the fire arm.

It’s all a trade off.


13 posted on 02/13/2010 12:43:57 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Blueflag

I think you will find them all practical and comfortable in winter with no print.


14 posted on 02/13/2010 12:46:09 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Blueflag

I’ve got a couple of 5.11 Tactical jackets, and like them. I can carry a small auto comfortably in the inside pocket, without printing through.


15 posted on 02/13/2010 12:48:46 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: 300winmag

Got any advice you can offer this Freeper?


16 posted on 02/13/2010 12:48:56 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: mylife

This looks pretty good for summer right here:
http://www.pistolwear.com/
I know a cop who used a fanny pack worn around in the front for summer carry too. I have a similar arrangement. I can carry the pistol plus a dozen or more speedloaders if I wanted to with this. Doesn’t really work with a full size autoloader though.


17 posted on 02/13/2010 12:52:17 PM PST by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: Blueflag
Well, it's not a coat, but it's conceal carry that certainly looks comfortable and practical
Conceal Carry
18 posted on 02/13/2010 12:53:48 PM PST by Krankor (nO)
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To: RC one

Yeah but when you wear a fanny pack or Hawaiian shirt, EVERYONE knows you are carrying.


19 posted on 02/13/2010 12:54:08 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: RC one

Sig P220 is my firearm of choice. I liked the feel of it (and shot better) better than the P220 Carry (shorter barrel.

I have not tried one of these jackets, but this one (pictured) is sized for the Sig.


20 posted on 02/13/2010 12:58:51 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Blueflag
My favorite CCW coat was a short leather coat with large zippered side pockets. In cold weather, it's natural to walk around with your hands in your coat pocket. In my case, walking to my car at night, my right hand would be around my .38 snubbie. When I was inside, I could zipper the pocket to prevent inadvertent glimpses of its contents.

The fastest draw is already having it in your hand.

21 posted on 02/13/2010 12:59:08 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Man With A Gun

That’s the reason I don’t necessarily want a shoulder holster — cuz you CAN’T remove your jacket. At least with a concealed carry jacket you can remove your over coat and stay concealed.

Concealed on hip is easier of course, but I am wondering if folks who have this sort of jacket like it.


22 posted on 02/13/2010 1:01:04 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Ramius

Saw those. Looked attractive and comfy. Just didn’t know if they screamed “gun” when you wear one ... like a fanny pack or a “photographer’s vest” with no camera gear.

Still a good option anyways though.


23 posted on 02/13/2010 1:02:54 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: mylife
For summer carry, I like either an inside the pants holster covered by an untucked heavy-fabric t-shirt, or cargo-pants with double-layer cargo pockets like this one from Old Navy.

I can stick a .38 in the inner cargo pocket, and some tissues in the outer pocket to break up the outline. It has the added advantage of having the gun being easily accessible when driving.

24 posted on 02/13/2010 1:06:05 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Blueflag

I have a western levi vest, and wear a broach that screams “grandma!” Excellent camoflage, and the vest is all-weather. May not work if you’re a man. Then again....


25 posted on 02/13/2010 1:06:48 PM PST by WestwardHo (Whom the god would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: mylife

if you wear the fanny pack in the front and wear a dress shirt untucked, nobody can tell. In some cases, the fanny pack doesn’t draw any undue attention. I saw vacationers using them all over the place last summer for example. Some people were using them for digital cameras, some folks were using them for .357 magnums. :)


26 posted on 02/13/2010 1:09:14 PM PST by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: Blueflag

You know you’re getting old when you honestly prefer a revolver.


27 posted on 02/13/2010 1:11:21 PM PST by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: RC one

That and Hawaiian shirts draw yawns from the public.

People tend to look away. They are great concealment LoL.


28 posted on 02/13/2010 1:12:58 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Man With A Gun
If you take the coat off (and you ARE going to take it off), what are you going to do with the gun if it’s in the coat?

When arriving at destination, visit bathroom and discretely transfer it into pants pocket, briefcase or whatever. If at work, transfer into briefcase and lock briefcase into desk drawer. I did this many times when I was having to travel through bad areas to get to work. If going to restaurant, don't check coat, hang it on your chair (easier if it's a short coat rather than trench coat.

29 posted on 02/13/2010 1:14:24 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: PapaBear3625

The pants are a good idea, but perhaps not for me as I made the choice to get good with one sidearm, and it happens to be a ‘large’ one. ( I don’t own a .38 )

I tend to wear a sportcoat as regular garb (appropriate for work.) I even joke with my clients that my sport coat is my ‘purse.’ I don’t print with those when I wear the pistol and mag clip on my hip.

But I am searching for alternatives for casual/ colder weather.


30 posted on 02/13/2010 1:14:54 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Blueflag
Just didn’t know if they screamed “gun” when you wear one ... like a fanny pack or a “photographer’s vest” with no camera gear.

When my kids were babies, and I was out with them and wife, I would wear a photog vest. I would put a couple of disposable diapers in the left pocket, a baby bottle with water sticking out a handy right-side pocket, and it would be my "daddy vest". Women would look and exclaim what a neat way to carry all the baby stuff conveniently...

31 posted on 02/13/2010 1:18:44 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Blueflag

I don’t like carrying pistols in coats, jackets or vests. They flop around too much unless the jacket is cinched tight, which makes drawing a problem. (This does not apply to micro backup guns, which can be dropped in any pocket.)

Better to get a CCW belt holster, IWP or a flat/high pancake style if you want it outside the belt and plan to wear coats/shirts that will conceal it.

Mis dos centavos....


32 posted on 02/13/2010 1:19:23 PM PST by Travis McGee (----www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com----)
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To: PapaBear3625

I agree.


33 posted on 02/13/2010 1:20:45 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: mylife
Yeah but when you wear a fanny pack or Hawaiian shirt, EVERYONE knows you are carrying.

Not in Florida. And "Hawaiian shirt" doesn't have to mean hula girls, a good CCW shirt is any loose untucked button front shirt with a pattern to break up the "printing" of your pistol.

Plaid, checks, geometric patterns, camo, anything but solid colors. Solid light colors are the worst for "printing." Dark colors and patterns hide ANYTHING.

34 posted on 02/13/2010 1:22:05 PM PST by Travis McGee (----www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com----)
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To: Blueflag
The pants are a good idea, but perhaps not for me as I made the choice to get good with one sidearm, and it happens to be a ‘large’ one. ( I don’t own a .38 )

I have two main carry guns, a compact snubbie for when max concealment is the issue, and a .45 for when I'm going to be passing thru places where concealment is secondary to stopping power. I make a point of practicing with both.

35 posted on 02/13/2010 1:23:41 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Blueflag

You’re already used to carrying on your belt, keep it there. Just try different inside and outside waistband holsters until you find one that is “just right.”

Better than carrying different ways. Best to carry the same way, and just change the concealment upper garment from sport coat to casual untucked shirt to cold weather jacket etc. But the gun and presentation to grip will always be the same and “automatic.”


36 posted on 02/13/2010 1:24:18 PM PST by Travis McGee (----www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com----)
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To: Travis McGee

Well the general public dont get it and yes the Hawaiian print breaks up the pattern but it screams CCW at me LoL

It’s a great technique.


37 posted on 02/13/2010 1:27:19 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Travis McGee

I agree. I’m good on my outside the belt holster when I wear my sport coat.

I can see how one of these jackets would have a significant ‘flop around’ factor if I was to be doing something physical.

(Didn’t like an inside the belt holster cuz, ahem, my existing pants were tight enough already and I wasn’t gonna buy a new wardrobe.)


38 posted on 02/13/2010 1:27:55 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Blueflag

I don’t like a pistol pointed at my “boys”


39 posted on 02/13/2010 1:30:13 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Travis McGee

Sound advice. That philosophy is one reason why I have ONE pistol. The others are money and time. I can only get so much range time/ instruction/ ammo/ silhouettes etc.

No *REAL* need to change. Just exploring options. Always good to get a new shooting ‘toy’.


40 posted on 02/13/2010 1:31:50 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Blueflag

The biggest problem I see with your coat system is “positive retention”

That said, I think it is a fine system in winter.

I always got hands in pockets in winter to retain the beasty.
That said, I dumped a 1911 on the pavement getting out of the truck using a similar arangement.


41 posted on 02/13/2010 1:36:44 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Blueflag

No experience with them here. I don’t wear a lot of jackets in Florida. Therefore, I’m limited to an inside the pants pancake holster.

I would look at adjusting yoir weapon choice rather than wearing a goofy jacket.


42 posted on 02/13/2010 1:38:10 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: Blueflag; All

I have bought various versions with and without sleeves, leather and otherwise.

DON’T!!!

These jackets, vests etc., are all uncomfortable as they do not have a weight distribution framework inside the lining so all the weight of gun and ammo clips weight HANGS ON YOUR NECK. Unless you are hiding a pocket Derringer this soon becomes intolerable. Like uncomfortable new shoes, if they are uncomfortable at the outset they get worse, not better.

With one that had a rolled up, built in hood in the collar it was still unbearble for more than a few minutes!

A leather one without the hood cuts into your neck like a knife and is also unbearable for very long. Even over a turtle neck.

I tried and returned various brands and models one at a time, keeping a hooded version as a cover over a shoulder holster (as somoeone said for winter) and the current sleeveless models sag at the arm hole and show the weapon!!! Concealment??

The same applies to ordinary vests over a shoulder holster. They need to be specifically designed to avoid showing the weapon through the armhole.

As a couple of vendors said this item is a just a spontaneous buy idea and not made according to any logical specs for end users or prolonged wearing comfort.

What nobody seems to have made yet is to build a jacket (or perhaps a vest) around a SHOULDER HOLSTER rather than put some useless flaps in the lining to hold the sidearm and clips.

The best shoulder hoslter I have found is the one where the weapon (Sig .40/p229 in my case) hangs almost upside down - grip down, actually at a good angle for a cross downward draw across your stomach.

Stays hidden with almost any clothing, even sleeveless vests, thoght th harness may show in some cases - also not good.

Unlike the normal up-down holster, which has the grip sit under your arm and bulks ON your rib cage, or the horizontal positioned one that many police forces use and sticks out forward from your body (OK for them as they don’t really care it it shows), this angled holster places the thick part of the weapon, the GRIP, just under the rib cage at an angle, following your body shape, which avoids it bulking, sticking out or showing. Have not tried it with a beer belly.

Anyone who creates a conceal vest (and tests the armholes) and/or a jacket with a shoulder holster strapping harness inside the lining to distribute the weight across the whole back and shoulders will become a multi-millionaire.

Please deal me in with a generous finders fee royalty.


43 posted on 02/13/2010 1:54:12 PM PST by FARS (Be well, be happy and THRIVE!)
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To: goseminoles
Works real nice in hot weather or for deep concealment

The Double action sucks, but that can be fixed with a walther trigger spring for $4.50

6 shots only

44 posted on 02/13/2010 1:55:39 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: FARS

Excellent advice and rationale from someone who has worn the coats. THANKS!

(going to eat dinner now)


45 posted on 02/13/2010 2:00:05 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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I leave mine as is. I dont shoot my balls off pulling it and rack the slide during presentation.

A crisp light 3.5 lbs single action trigger pull


46 posted on 02/13/2010 2:21:01 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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I added a houge grip to the PA64.


47 posted on 02/13/2010 2:34:03 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Travis McGee

We have tons of people around these parts who CC using IWB holsters. If you look around, you can tell who is carrying. Fanny packs also scream gun. Women all seem to go with carrying in a purse.


48 posted on 02/13/2010 2:45:33 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: mylife
SW 442 in a pants pocket. Its light, It kicks like hell, and the long double action trigger sucks...

mylife, that's one of the weapons I carry, and I've found a way to defeat the pull-off-target effect of the long DA trigger pull: trigger cocking. I practice that every time I shoot it at the range. Pull the trigger back to a predetermined point where the striker is ready (you can feel it), then aim the front sight and gently squeeze. Works every time it's tried, and greatly improves accuracy.

49 posted on 02/13/2010 2:54:33 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (No more RINOS; I will vote my conscience, even if I have to write "Sarah Palin" on the ballot!)
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To: backwoods-engineer

my 442 is hammer less

Its DA only

I hate long DA action. It is great for safety but lousy for accuracy. I will shoot wide left every time. :(


50 posted on 02/13/2010 2:59:59 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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