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Family alert: How well do you know your pit bull? Rachael Ray's pit involved in attack
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Posted on 02/14/2010 5:49:48 PM PST by Chet 99

February 13, 2010 - Most pit bull owners believe their dog would never attack a pet or human, but Rachael Ray, who has brought her beloved pit bull, Isaboo, on her show, is now grief-stricken as she faces having Isaboo put to sleep after his sixth incident of attacking dogs, this time he bit off the victim dog's ear. (Click here for Part 2, a summary of a few attacks).

In early February Ray was out walking her dog on the streets of New York City's Greenwich Village. “As the other dog walked by, Isaboo lashed out so quickly and ripped the other dog’s ear off before its handler could pull it away,” said an onlooker. Radaronline reported the ear was able to be re-attached.

Pit bulls - it seems people either love them or hate them, there doesn't seem to be much in-between.

"Mitz would never hurt anyone, and especially not our eleven-month old grand-daughter, Olivia. I know this, there's no way. He's the most loving dog I've known," says Olivia's grandmother, Karen M., from Kirkland. "I understand there have been pit attacks, but I think it's because they are provoked and their owners mistreat them."

Karen went on to say, "See, look, I can put my hand in his mouth and he won't do anything. And Olivia can pull his tail and even grab toys out of his mouth. He's never even flinched or acted like he'd attack the baby. We trust him completely, even if we're in the other room. He's just never done anything to make us think otherwise." Examiner asked Jonathan S., also of Kirkland, what he thought about this statement, he said, "Personally, I'd never own one of those dogs simply based on what I've heard and read. That's just me. I think it's insane that anyone would make a comment like that." "How does she really know the dog won't attack her granddaughter if for some reason the dog feels threatened. Kids pull tails and ears and some dogs could view that as threatening," he said, "I don't know, with all the news articles and horrid television accounts of these attacks, how much does someone have to see or read before it will register with them that no child should be left alone with a dog, and especially not a breed that's known to attack."

Sadly, this kind of trust for a pit bull, or any other dog, for that matter, is what has led to the dismemberment, disfiguration, and lives of children.

Ironically, in December 2009, a grandmother was charged when her 9-month old granddaughter, also named Olivia, was severely bitten by the grandmother's dog. The infant suffered serious injuries which left her hospitalized for nine days with facial wounds and a skull fracture. While this dog was a Rhodesian Ridgeback/Lab mix, and not a pit bull, it should send a message to people who so adamantly and steadfastly trust dogs around young children.

This article will largely focus on pit bull attacks on children (click here for Part 2). It is understood there is a difference between an attack on a dog and attack on a child. However, if a pit is prone to attacking a dog, what would prevent him or her from attacking a child? A source told Radaronline.com, “While she (Rachael Ray) loves the dog, she can’t help worrying about what would happen if Isaboo attacked a person.”

If you have an opinion about this issue or would like to share a personal story about a pit bull, good or bad, please leave your comments in the "comments" section below.

One issue with pit-bull type dogs is they often exhibit "bite, hold, and shake" behavior and refuse to release when biting, (1, 2) so some pit bull rescue organizations and advocacy groups recommend owners of pit bull-type dogs carry a "break stick" to lever their dog's jaws open if it bites a person or animal. (3, 4).

Pit bulls are not the only dogs that attack humans and other animals. However, they have been implicated in quite a few attack incidents in the Seattle area and beyond.

Click here to for Part 2, a summary of a few of the attacks.


TOPICS: Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: maul; pitbull
part 2

February 13, 2010 - Most pit bull owners believe their dog would never attack a pet or human, but as you read in Part 1, Food Network star Rachael Ray is now grief-stricken as she faces the possibility of having her pit bull, Isaboo, put to sleep after his sixth incident of attacking dogs, this time, according to Radaronline.com, he bit off the victim dog's ear. (Click here for Part 1)

Pit bulls are a highly controversial breed of dogs in the U.S. The high-energy, powerfully built dogs can be difficult to handle, and it seems people either love them or hate them, we've not heard much in-between. Some adamantly defend them, going to the extreme of saying they would absolutely trust their pit with their own infant grandchildren. But is that trust unfounded? Could they be putting their grandchild, and others, at risk of attack without knowing it? What causes a pit to turn? Some people who have suffered attacks to themselves or children have said they never believed their loving pet would hurt anyone. Below are some stories from Seattle and beyond of children and adults who have been attacked over the past couple years. In February 2008, a West Seattle girl was hospitalized after being bitten by a pit bull. The 9-year old girl suffered severe cuts to her upper and lower lips and to her chin and face after the attack by the 90-pound dog. The girl was rushed to the hospital by ambulance to treat her injuries (video below).

In June 2008, another 9-year old girl was attacked by a pit bull at her school. Luckily, she received only minor injuries when two school plumbers jumped in and stopped the attack.

In September 2008, a 71-year old woman was attacked by a pair of pit bulls and was taken to Harborview Hospital where she was in serious but stable condition.

In November 2008, an 11-year old Vancouver, Wash., girl suffered dog bites to her mouth and face when she was bitten by a neighbor's pit bull and had to have 26-stitches in her upper lip and chin to close up all of her wounds. A neighbor walking his dog allowed the girl to pet the dog and the dog quickly turned from friendly to attacking her. The owner voluntarily had the dog euthanized.

Also in November 2008, a 7-year old Happy Valley, Oregon, girl was attacked by a pit bull. The severely injured girl underwent surgery for her injuries. Her father wrestled and pulled the dog off and was bitten himself. He suffered a dislocated shoulder while wrestling the dog. A bystander and the dog's owner did all they could to stop the dog but were unable to control him. A deputy arrived and was forced to shoot and kill the dog.

In March 2009, a 10-year old boy was attacked and bitten by a pit-bull while riding his scooter on the sidewalk in front of his school in Aloha, Oregon. The boy's father and neighbor assisted the boy who suffered bites to his legs. Luckily adults were there to help and the boy's injuries were not life-threatening. Information about this case was provided by the Farber Law Group that represents people who have been seriously injured due to dog bites and dog attacks. They have offices in Seattle and Bellevue, and can be contacted here.

Oregon's dangerous dog law, O.R.S. Sec 609.098 makes dog owners strictly liable for economic damages if a person is injured by a dog.

In December 2009, a North Carolina family of four was attacked by their pit bull when they were out playing in the snow. The dog attacked their nine-year old son, ripping off his ear. His father, mother, and step-mother were all attacked when they tried to intervene. All four family members were taken to the hospital for treatment, two had to have surgeries, they all will be scarred for life. And just last month, a 3-year old California boy was killed when he was attacked by his family's pit bull. This child didn't stand a chance and was declared dead when he arrived at the hospital. Authorities say the dog was aggressive toward firefighters and was shot and killed by the sheriff. Just two weeks ago three children were attacked when five pit bulls escaped a Fontana, Calif., yard. A five-year old girl suffered severe bite wounds, a broken rib cage and a punctured lung. The girl went in for surgery and her mother wasn't sure she'd survive. One of the dogs was shot and killed when it charged at a police officer. The owners surrendered the dogs to Fontana police and were later euthanized.

The girl's mother and two of the girl's sibblings were attacked. Her 7-year old brother suffered bite wounds and received stitches while her 6-year old brother suffered serious injuries to his leg and received more than 200 staples close to the wound.

It is believed the girl will survive. There is no news as to when she will be released from the hospital.

According to the article, "Should Stronger Laws Aim to Control Pit Bull Attacks and Pit Bull Maulings?", Seattle-based DogsBite.org has recorded 88 United States deaths from dog bites from 2006 through 2008, with 59 percent involving pit bull attacks. Injury numbers are more difficult to calculate, but thousands of Americans are hospitalized annually. Preschoolers and senior citizens are most at risk

These are but a few pit bull attacks to children and adults. Cities struggle to come up with laws that are both fair and that consider the safety of the public at large. This remains a controversial issue.

If you have an opinion about this issue or would like to share a personal story about a pit bull, good or bad, please leave your comments in the "comments" section below.

1 posted on 02/14/2010 5:49:48 PM PST by Chet 99
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To: Chet 99

FTA: after his sixth incident of attacking dogs

If only she’d had some indication that the dog was capable of such behavior. /s


2 posted on 02/14/2010 5:53:35 PM PST by GAGOP
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To: Chet 99

Pit bulls are bred to attack other dogs, and while I do believe their raising impacts how they will treat people.....it’s just in their bones when it comes to other dogs.

If you are going to have a pit bull, don’t have other dogs and don’t ever bring them around other dogs.

Rather simple.


3 posted on 02/14/2010 5:53:50 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: Chet 99

Why was this vicious dog allowed to roam free after the first attack ???

What if he had attacked a child ???


4 posted on 02/14/2010 5:54:15 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Chet 99

Why was this vicious dog allowed to roam free after the first attack ???

What if he had attacked a child ???


5 posted on 02/14/2010 5:54:39 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Chet 99

With 5 attacks already,I’d say that Rachael should have known her Pit bull pretty well.I guess that she just doesn’t care about the danger to others.


6 posted on 02/14/2010 5:55:07 PM PST by Farmer Dean (every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains)
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To: Farmer Dean

What all don’t STARS know?

She is a star!!!!


7 posted on 02/14/2010 5:56:35 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: Tennessee Nana

With all her money why didn’t she call in Ceasar Milan at the first sign of trouble?


8 posted on 02/14/2010 5:57:52 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: Chet 99

I’d rather face a pitbull than a rotweiler any day, they can be bad boys.Of course either one would be dead if it attacked me because dogs don’t scare me at all.


9 posted on 02/14/2010 5:58:12 PM PST by X-FID
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To: rwfromkansas

Nothing is rather simple. Almost any dog can bite a child. There are very few breeds I would trust around children. No dogs should be near toddlers or younger.

I probably would say safe dogs would be Labs and Newfoundlands because they are from the same line. Maybe Norweigan Elkhounds because they have been around humans for 10,000 years.

Any one who has a pitbull around a child is an idiot. All animals are unpredictable.


10 posted on 02/14/2010 5:59:22 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Chet 99

She’s an idiot. If her beast had bitten the ear off a kid, she’d be feeling it in her very deep pockets about 10 minutes afterward.


11 posted on 02/14/2010 6:00:46 PM PST by truthkeeper ("Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?")
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To: Chet 99

I am rarely in favor of government intervention in personal activities — but, while federal government intervention would be extra-Constitutional, I would have no problem with local or state laws banning pit bull ownership.

Unlike gun ownership, the practice does not enjoy Constitutional protection, and the animals are clearly prone to vicious attacks. These are dangerous dogs, and owners should be considered knowledgable, and prosecuted or held responsible for the FIRST attack.

SnakeDoc
SnakeDoc


12 posted on 02/14/2010 6:01:34 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (I am Jack's smirking revenge.)
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To: GAGOP

“FTA: after his sixth incident of attacking dogs

If only she’d had some indication that the dog was capable of such behavior.”

Ha! Yeh know kidding, even without that precedence in mind I bet the victim is thinking ca-ching!

I think we all need to realize any dog is capable of lashing out. They don’t speak out their frustration or fears so sometimes there is no telling when they are aching or happen to be temperamental. There are some dogs that have been great around kids all their lives and let the kids all over them, but sometimes a dog might just not be in the mood to be touched and it can snap at a person. I think it is obvious that is more likely to happen with a naturally more aggressive dog like a Pit Bull.


13 posted on 02/14/2010 6:01:41 PM PST by ATX 1985
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

“She is a star.”
So she can cook fairly well.The whole dog thing seems to qualify her for full blown idiot status.


14 posted on 02/14/2010 6:01:45 PM PST by Farmer Dean (every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains)
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To: GAGOP

Put the DOG to sleep? How about both!


15 posted on 02/14/2010 6:02:18 PM PST by Doc Savage (SOBAMP!)
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To: Chet 99

Put Rachel to sleep, but I want her ‘fridge for the basement.


16 posted on 02/14/2010 6:02:48 PM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Chet 99

I’ll just post my standard “Its not the breed its the owners in 3...2...1...”

(it is the breed but the responses are always hilarious)


17 posted on 02/14/2010 6:03:11 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Chet 99

pits = 45acp 230 jhp, :) or a 12 Gage with 0000

:o)


18 posted on 02/14/2010 6:07:44 PM PST by ezoeni (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x32cxf_yuri-bezmenov)
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To: GAGOP

I hope she cooks better than she takes care of her dogs. vicious little bestards..


19 posted on 02/14/2010 6:09:13 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Chet 99

I think it’s time RR spent some time in the slammer for having a dangerous dog.


20 posted on 02/14/2010 6:11:39 PM PST by LiberConservative
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To: LiberConservative

that pitbull is like the nutty professor in Alabama...oh she wouldnt hurt anyone...except the brother she shot in anger


21 posted on 02/14/2010 6:17:48 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: goat granny

Wok her dog?


22 posted on 02/14/2010 6:23:25 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: nkycincinnatikid

“I want her fridge for my basement”.
I’ll take her cases of EVOO!


23 posted on 02/14/2010 6:24:02 PM PST by Mountain Mary
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To: Chet 99
I had a friend who had one of these that weighed 160lbs!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perro_de_Presa_Canario

Damn best scared the living sh!t out of me!

24 posted on 02/14/2010 6:26:14 PM PST by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!(FR #1690))
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To: GAGOP

Get a Boxer!


25 posted on 02/14/2010 6:29:01 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Chet 99

“after his sixth incident of attacking dogs”

Rachael was a little slow on the uptake. I can only hope her purse is a lot lighter because of lawsuits.


26 posted on 02/14/2010 6:29:10 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Parley Baer

Rachel Ray has
Money and fame
Only thing she
Lacks is BRAINS!

Does the state have a SIX STRIKES and OUT law for Pit Bulls?


27 posted on 02/14/2010 6:37:47 PM PST by outhousepatrol
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To: Frantzie
I probably would say safe dogs would be Labs and Newfoundlands because they are from the same line.

About 100 years ago, Newfies were almost eradicated because of attacks on people.

28 posted on 02/14/2010 7:33:21 PM PST by Vor Lady ("Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." JFK)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Funny one red neck......:O)


29 posted on 02/14/2010 7:42:18 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Chet 99

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html


30 posted on 02/14/2010 7:55:50 PM PST by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: Vor Lady

By whom? The Canadians? They blew it with Labs and lost the ancestor breed in St. Johns Dog. If it wasn’t for the British - Labs might not exist.


31 posted on 02/14/2010 8:05:21 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: BurbankKarl

Hey, don’t blame it on Alabama !

Nutty Professor was from ‘BRAINTREE, MASSACHUSETTS’ ! ‘nuff said.


32 posted on 02/14/2010 8:36:43 PM PST by carolina71
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To: goat granny

I once read that dog bites treated in ER, Poodles were No. 1 & Chow was No.2. any dog weighing 100# can do a world of hurt. RR can open a cake mix box with the best of them, Now hat is unfair, since I have never watched.
barbra ann


33 posted on 02/14/2010 8:39:28 PM PST by barb-tex (He aint heavy, he's my brother!)
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To: barb-tex

The stats that have been posted on these threads list most mauling and death #1 Pit and pit cross #2 Rottys. Any dog can bite there is a big difference between breeds. When I was young we had an Irish Setter and she nipped me many times. Dogs have a genetic background that makes them what they are. Pits have not had the unstable temperment bred out cause too many people have some need for that breed..


34 posted on 02/14/2010 9:14:43 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Randy Larsen
RE a friend's Presa Canario: Damn beast scared the living sh!t out of me!

Your instincts are good. Remember the gal who lived in an apartment in San Francisco who was killed while going to her own apartment by a couple of dogs that some neighbors in a nearby unit were taking care of? Those dogs were Presa Canarios.

Great dogs, no doubt, for certain jobs, such as guarding property. But as "pets" in a city apartment?

35 posted on 02/15/2010 12:06:08 AM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Finny

“Remember the gal who lived in an apartment in San Francisco who was killed while going to her own apartment by a couple of dogs that some neighbors in a nearby unit were taking care of?”

I do remember that. But I think it was the neighbor’s own dogs, not visiting dogs. And the woman that was killed was pretty athletic, iirc, not some poor fragile person too.

And then the story got weirder, the couple who owned the dogs were lawyers, or something like that. And they had some strange relationship with some convict, or something. And they were involved in breeding those beastly dogs.

It was a very odd tale.

Now we have the odd tale of the Alabama brother-killing, co-worker murdering, pipe-bomb suspect professor.

America really has a lot of loonies.


36 posted on 02/15/2010 1:49:14 AM PST by jocon307
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To: Chet 99

What do you people intend to do with all the APBTs after they’re banned?

Put them on cattle cars?

Cool...you finally solved the APBT problem. Now what will you do about the other thousand large, powerful, aggressive dog breeds?

Guess we’re going to need a bigger cattle car.


37 posted on 02/15/2010 6:28:32 AM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: Spike Knotts
What do you people intend to do with all the APBTs after they’re banned? Put them on cattle cars?

I am against breed-banning.

That said, what do you "people" intend to do about this problem? Keep pretending that it's not a breed problem? Keep pretending that it's not a problem of owners getting too much dog for them to handle?

A naive dogs-are-people-too woman gets a spaniel that bites one of her kids, the kid maybe goes to the Med Stop. A naive dogs-are-people-too woman gets a pit bull, and the kid ends up in intensive care or the morgue. A druggie gets a basset hound for a pet ... zero problem. A druggie gets a pit bull ... big problem.

If "you people" don't want to see these dogs banned, then you should start exerting extreme peer pressure on people you see who own these dogs who aren't being responsible. If pit bull lovers really don't want to see these dogs banned, they'll start trying to come up with another solution to the problem rather than denying that it exists, and I would think that would include patrols looking for homes where the dogs are obviously kept in a dangerous way, and then giving the owners hell for it and taking action to protect the dogs from people who get them who cannot handle them.

I wish such a patrol of responsible pit owners would go kick the ass of the owner who lives at a place I see where a three-foot fence separates one of these pit bulls from school kids who walk past the place on their way to the bus. The dog barks and snarls and snaps at them, but as of yet hasn't hopped that fence. One of these days it will ... and when some kid ends up in critical care or dead, "you people" will be clamoring that "it was the owner, not the breed," when if that same owner had chosen a lab or a retreiver or a Scottish terrier, maybe there'd be a bit kid or two, but there sure as hell wouldn't be any intensive care and ripped-off ears or funerals.

Pretending that this isn't a problem is about the surest way to see breed banning come into play, and THAT would be a real tragedy. "You people" who only approach this problem with your "doggy parent" emotions rather than with clear-headed sense that respects the realties of NATURE, are the pit bulls' worst enemy.

38 posted on 02/15/2010 7:13:41 AM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Finny

If you want to find ‘us people’, try looking for your area’s Bully Breed Club. They’re all over, full of responsible owners who spend their time and money to help other owners learn about their dogs, and how to care for them. If you find a way to force druggies and naive dogs-are-people-too moms to join and show an interest in their animals, do let me know. Otherwise, we’re going to have to continue to trust people to make wise decisions for themselves, as adults, and punish them AFTER they fail.

Asking a private citizen to police the dog-owning habits of idiots is as masturbatory as asking us to police the car driving habits of irresponsible teens, or the gun-owning habits of inner-city thugs.


39 posted on 02/15/2010 7:33:36 AM PST by LongElegantLegs (Raise the fanged and warlike mistress, stern, impassive, weaponed mistress...)
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To: LongElegantLegs
"Punish them AFTER they fail"? You mean after an innocient victim minding his/her own business on pubic or his/her own private property, is DEAD or in intensive care? THAT's your "solution"? Then get ready for breed banning.

"You people" in Bully Breed Clubs had better change your mindset and get behind the power of pure peer pressure that you as free citizens have a God given right to exert, and in this case, have a DUTY to exert if you want to keep breed bans from happening.

When the GOVERNMENT goes nanny-state, that's one thing, and a very bad thing indeed. When private citizens come down on other citizens that abuse a privilege to the point of making it likley that it will be taken away, that's the right thing if they want to protect their rights and keep the government from stepping in.

This is the equivalent of having Dads in the neighborhood. Before the onslaught of single mothers, boys in the neighborhood behaved because their own or somebody else's dad would come kick their ass; no cops were needed. YOU are saying that it's better to let the kid go to jail and have the government handle it.

You want to keep the Bully Breeds from being banned? Then start using your own freedom to pressure irresponsible people from having the dogs and stop apologizing for it and trying to put it off on the government.

40 posted on 02/15/2010 7:47:55 AM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Chet 99
Has Rachel not considered a muzzle. It seems a simple solution.

Strong breeds in unusual situations all need a muzzle when around people in my opinion. I remember the case of a movie starlet sitting around the swimming pool/patio as a guest and the owner's doberman attacked her without warning. It was serious facial injury ... especially for a starlet.

I was seriously attacked by a pit bull when I was about 5. I have seen many dogs chosen and trained as handicap dogs for people that can not function well without one. The usually are large breeds. All I have seen have been wonderful gentle dogs when working.

41 posted on 02/15/2010 7:59:23 AM PST by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: Finny

“”You people” who only approach this problem with your “doggy parent” emotions rather than with clear-headed sense that respects the realties of NATURE, are the pit bulls’ worst enemy.”

I believe I referred to them as a large, powerful aggressive dog breed. That seems pretty realistic. You seem very emotional for someone railing against emotional behavior. The rest of your garbage isn’t worth responding to. I’m on record here as being for dog owners being charged with the crime their dog commits.

I don’t own, nor have I ever owned, and will never own an APBT. My only interest is freedom, and the responsibilities that accompany that freedom. You built a mighty strawman...sorry to knock it down so easily.


42 posted on 02/15/2010 8:09:42 AM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: Finny
You mean after an innocient victim minding his/her own business on pubic or his/her own private property, is DEAD or in intensive care? THAT's your "solution"?

News flash: That's how the justice system of a free people works. You don't get to punish people for having the capability to do harm.

YOU are saying that it's better to let the kid to jail and have the government handle it.

No, I'm saying that the people for whom peer pressure works, have already banded together. What's left are the willfully negligent and the irredeemably irresponsible; take their pitbulls away (along with everyone else's) and I guarantee you they'll find another way of inflicting harm on the innocent.

When the GOVERNMENT goes nanny-state, that's one thing, and a very bad thing indeed. When private citizens come down on other citizens that abuse a privilege to the point of making it likley that it will be taken away, that's the right thing if they want to protect their rights and keep the government from stepping in.

So *I* should become my neighbor's nanny? How about this; how about I control my animals,and take responsibility for my own family's safety, without preemptively impinging on anyone else's rights?

43 posted on 02/15/2010 9:51:30 AM PST by LongElegantLegs (Raise the fanged and warlike mistress, stern, impassive, weaponed mistress...)
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I’ve been around pit bulls quite a bit. They are, after all, still dogs. Their behavior is the responsibility of their owner and, with a few exceptions common to all dogs, can be controlled and modified.

The real difference is similar to that between a BB gun and a 38 pistol. Both can be handled safely, both can go off with improper handling. But the the 38 is capable of much greater damage because of its power and speed.

The problem with pit bulls is owners who don’t know dogs and even more don’t know that they don’t know. Rachael Ray is in the second category.

These types should not own pit bulls.


44 posted on 02/15/2010 10:21:09 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Finny

Great Dogs...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ1yyiJH18g&feature=related

Right!


45 posted on 02/15/2010 1:14:45 PM PST by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!(FR #1690))
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To: Farmer Dean
With 5 attacks already,I’d say that Rachael should have known her Pit bull pretty well.I guess that she just doesn’t care about the danger to others.

Just "isolated incidents."

46 posted on 02/15/2010 1:20:19 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Finny

Places that have banned pit bulls have not seen any declines in serious attacks. See Denver, Colorado and especially the UK, whose attacks have increased. However, places that have not banned breeds but instead enforce responsible ownership laws (see Calgary) have seen huge declines in their serious attacks.

Whatever you believe to be the cause of this issue, you must see that the solution that works is not bsl, but greater accountability for dog owners. After all, 19 people died last year from non-pit bull-type dogs, and bsl would not protect them at all.


47 posted on 02/15/2010 3:04:39 PM PST by solosmoke
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