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FReeper Gun Nuts. Thoughts on 1943 Mosin Nagant
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Posted on 02/17/2010 4:04:22 PM PST by Phantom Lord

Alright my fellow Freepers. Have been offered a 1943 Mosin Nagant as a gift. Will be used for target shooting and deer hunting. I know jack squat about this rifle.

Pluses, minuses, thoughts, advice...

Thanks!


TOPICS: Hobbies; Miscellaneous; Outdoors
KEYWORDS: advice; banglist; guns; mosin; nagant
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1 posted on 02/17/2010 4:04:22 PM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: Phantom Lord

Watch “Enemy At The Gates” if you want to know more about that rifle -


2 posted on 02/17/2010 4:06:28 PM PST by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: Phantom Lord

Great rifle, tough as nails, cheap ammo, fun to shoot.


3 posted on 02/17/2010 4:08:23 PM PST by 230FMJ (...from my cold, dead, fingers.)
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To: Phantom Lord

Kicks like a mule-very reliable-short pull due to the thickness of the Russian military coats.


4 posted on 02/17/2010 4:08:24 PM PST by mozarky2 (Ya never stand so tall as when ya stoop to stomp a statist!)
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To: SkyDancer

If you don’t hit the target with the bullet, you can still hit it with the barrel flame. Make sure you put a shoulder pad on it.


5 posted on 02/17/2010 4:08:55 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft
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To: Phantom Lord

If it’s a gift, who cares :-)

M44?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFFjalzddkk

7.62 x 54. Recoil is stiff. Ammo isn’t too bad. I have several and at the right price would buy another. I think it’s the best buy for the money.


6 posted on 02/17/2010 4:10:16 PM PST by VeniVidiVici ("Bring out yer dead! Bring out your dead!" - Cries of a Navy Corpseman)
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To: Phantom Lord

I might have one of those, a 1945 model, I think, but I have never shot it. It is a manly gun, supposedly. I’m not positive what model it is.

parsy, who took it in trade


7 posted on 02/17/2010 4:11:20 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: Phantom Lord

It shoots the 7.62X54R cartridge which is very close to the 30-06 in ballistics. Surplus ammo is still cheap for range shooting. The surplus ammo is probably corssive primer ammo so you would need to clean quickly after shooting with ammonia and water to remove corrosive residue followed by normal cleaning. I believe S&B makes soft point hunting ammo, check MidwayUSA.com for ammo. It should make a fine hunting gun.


8 posted on 02/17/2010 4:12:24 PM PST by MtnClimber (Be a Patriot, contribute to Free Republic today!)
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To: Phantom Lord

my friend bought one some years back....ok shooter and accurate enough and more than powerful enough.

be careful with ammo though. lots of cheap russian ammo out there...some that use corrosive primers and if you dont clean the gun relatively soon after shooting the bore will rust up pretty bad.


9 posted on 02/17/2010 4:14:41 PM PST by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: Phantom Lord

That is a lot of rifle for deer hunting.
You can get hunting ammo for it.
It is accurate and can be scoped but not easily.

The bolt is sticky and sucks, but I would take one if I was given one.
Heck I bought a couple.


10 posted on 02/17/2010 4:14:53 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Phantom Lord
Here's a good breakdown of the rifle and how it compares to the AK47 and the AR15...

click here

11 posted on 02/17/2010 4:15:55 PM PST by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
Shock wave of the bullet will probably scare them to death on the spot.
12 posted on 02/17/2010 4:16:15 PM PST by wbarmy (Hard core, extremist, and right-wing is a little too mild for my tastes.)
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To: Phantom Lord

Lotsa fun. Google mosin vs ak vs m16


13 posted on 02/17/2010 4:16:23 PM PST by ebshumidors (Everything you read about 'top conservatives say' is a lie unless they asked me first!)
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To: MtnClimber

Barnaul makes hunting ammo


14 posted on 02/17/2010 4:16:27 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Phantom Lord
Stuff you know if you have an AK Stuff you know if you have an AR Stuff you know if you have a Mosin Nagant
It works though you have never cleaned it. Ever. You have $9 per ounce special non-detergent synthetic Teflon infused oil for cleaning. It was last cleaned in Berlin in 1945.
You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from inside. You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from 600 meters. You can hit the farm from two counties over.
Cheap mags are fun to buy. Cheap mags melt. What's a mag?
Your safety can be heard from 300 meters away. You can silently flip off the safety with your finger on the trigger. What's a safety?
Your rifle comes with a cheap nylon sling. Your rifle has a 9 point stealth tactical suspension system. You rifle has dog collars.
Your bayonet makes a good wire cutter. Your bayonet is actually a pretty good steak knife. Your bayonet is longer than your leg.
You can put a .30" hole through 12" of oak, if you can hit it. You can put one hole in a paper target at 100 meters with 30 rounds. You can knock down everyone else's target with the shock wave of your bullet going downrange.
When out of ammo your rifle will nominally pass as a club. When out of ammo, your rifle makes a great wiffle bat. When out of ammo, your rifle makes a supreme war club, pike, boat oar, tent pole, or firewood.
Recoil is manageable, even fun. What's recoil? Recoil is often used to relocate shoulders thrown out by the previous shot.
Your sight adjustment goes to "10", and you've never bothered moving it. Your sight adjustment is incremented in fractions of minute of angle. Your sight adjustment goes to 12 miles and you've actually tried it.
Your rifle can be used by any two bit nation's most illiterate conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide. Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two bit nations' most illiterate conscripts. Your rifle has fought against itself and won every time.
Your rifle won some revolutions. Your rifle won the Cold War. Your rifle won a pole vault event.
You paid $350. You paid $900. You paid $59.95.
You buy cheap ammo by the case. You lovingly reload precision crafted rounds one by one. You dig your ammo out of a farmer's field in Ukraine and it works just fine.
You can intimidate your foe with the bayonet mounted. You foes laugh when you mount your bayonet. You can bayonet your foe on the other side of the river without leaving the comfort of your hole.
Service life, 50 years. Service life, 40 years. Service life, 100 years, and counting.
It's easier to buy a new rifle when you want to change cartridge sizes. You can change cartridge sizes with the push of a couple of pins and a new upper. You believe no real man would dare risk the ridicule of his friends by suggesting there is anything but 7.62x54r.
You can repair your rifle with a big hammer and a swift kick. You can repair your rifle by taking it to a certified gunsmith, it's under warranty! If your rifle breaks, you buy a new one.
You consider it a badge of honor when you get your handguards burst into flames. You consider it a badge of honor when you shoot a sub-MOA 5 shot group. You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2x4.
After a long day the range you relax by watching "Red Dawn". After a long day at the range you relax by watching "Blackhawk Down". After a long day at the range you relax by visiting the chiropractor.
After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for a stiff shot of Vodka. After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for hotdogs and apple pie. After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for shishkabob.
You can accessorize you rifle with a new muzzle brake or a nice stock set. Your rifle's accessories are eight times more valuable than your rifle. Your rifle's accessory is a small tin can with a funny lid, but it's buried under an apartment building somewhere in Budapest.
Your rifle's finish is varnish and paint. Your rifle's finish is Teflon and high tech polymers. Your rifle's finish is low grade shellac, cosmoline and Olga's toe nails.
Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Mikhail Kalashnikov. Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Eugene Stoner. You're not sure there WERE cameras to photograph Sergei Mosin.
Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to hold your rifle over your head and shout "Wolverines!" Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to clear your house, slicing the pie from room to room. Late at night, you sometimes have to fight the urge to dig a fighting trench in the the yard to sleep in.
There you have it.  In the end, it is clear to any open minded inquirer that the Mosin Nagant is the most superior weapon of all time, but the AR and the AK come out as a draw when compared side by side.

15 posted on 02/17/2010 4:20:15 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Andonius_99
EVERY time I read that I burst into uncontrollable laughter and my family sits and stares at me. I have been in AF and Iraq and all of the Afghanis get it, none of the Iraqis do.
16 posted on 02/17/2010 4:21:00 PM PST by wbarmy (Hard core, extremist, and right-wing is a little too mild for my tastes.)
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To: Phantom Lord

http://www.mouseguns.com/compare.htm


17 posted on 02/17/2010 4:21:38 PM PST by ebshumidors (Everything you read about 'top conservatives say' is a lie unless they asked me first!)
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To: Phantom Lord

We have several and we love them all. My wife loves shooting them as well. Pretty cheap fun. Of course we love our AK and other eastern block firearms as well. We have a bunch of Nagant Revolvers, but you have to reload if you want them to be economical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GWn6nKQjbg


18 posted on 02/17/2010 4:23:17 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Phantom Lord

heh. Just bought a 1937 Tula arsenal model 91/30 Mosin nagant today. That makes #4. The long rifle’s recoil is ok. The carbine version (M38 or M44) is pretty stout.

Check the Mosin area at http://www.surplusrifle.com for info and disasembly instructions. Lot’s of info there.


19 posted on 02/17/2010 4:24:07 PM PST by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir!)
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To: Andonius_99

Mine looks like the Mosin in the picture,just not quite as long. Plus, mine has a bayonet.

parsy


20 posted on 02/17/2010 4:25:31 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

I watched the movie - thought it interesting. I’ve seen some people at the gun range shooting them ... I’d rather have a 1903 Springfield 30-06 instead (tried my dad’s Rem. 710 in 30-06 and carried a bruise for weeks)... - I shoot a 22-250 as my fav. rifle ... ping them critters out to 500yds.


21 posted on 02/17/2010 4:27:20 PM PST by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: Phantom Lord
ps. pics would be nice. here is a 1938 91/30

1938 91/30

22 posted on 02/17/2010 4:28:12 PM PST by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir!)
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To: PapaBear3625; Phantom Lord

Outstanding comparison!

I love my Mosin; the first five rounds are always painful, but then your shoulder just goes numb and you don’t feel a thing.


23 posted on 02/17/2010 4:28:20 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: PapaBear3625

One of my mosin nagants was made in 1897 at Sestroyosk (SP)?

And it shoots as good as the day it was made. Actually better because the bolt has been worked in.


24 posted on 02/17/2010 4:28:39 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: parsifal

Dang, Parsi! Never figured you for a Mosin man. Come to the appleseed in Little Rock in April!


25 posted on 02/17/2010 4:28:59 PM PST by ebshumidors (Everything you read about 'top conservatives say' is a lie unless they asked me first!)
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To: ebshumidors

I just got it in trade a few months ago for some work I did. Haven’t shot it yet. I also have an AK.

parsy, who has a gun or two


26 posted on 02/17/2010 4:30:33 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: dynachrome
be careful with ammo though. lots of cheap russian ammo out there...some that use corrosive primers and if you dont clean the gun relatively soon after shooting the bore will rust up pretty bad.

I have an old 91/30 that I bought years ago when they first started coming into the US in huge numbers. I think I got it at Big5 Sports. I was lazy about cleaning it back then, and it did rust up from the corrosive primers. Last time I took it out after years of not using it, the bore looked like the proverbial sewer pipe. I cleaned it out, and was shooting offhand at watermelon sized rocks in a ravine at about 175 yards. That old goat was still capable of hitting those rocks, even with the sewer pipe bore. And, I'll add, I am NOT a very good shot. Average at best. Mosin Nagants are great rifles, even if not the prettiest on the planet.
27 posted on 02/17/2010 4:30:47 PM PST by rickomatic
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To: parsifal

If the bayonet is side attached it is the mighty M44 carbine.


28 posted on 02/17/2010 4:31:08 PM PST by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir!)
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To: Phantom Lord

Wolf, Privi Partizan and even Winchester make hunting ammo for 7.62X54R.


29 posted on 02/17/2010 4:31:24 PM PST by MtnClimber (Be a Patriot, contribute to Free Republic today!)
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To: Phantom Lord

The Mosin Nagent (MN), when compared to the AK and AR:
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AK-It works though you have never cleaned it. Ever.
AR-You have $9 per ounce special non-detergent synthetic Teflon infused oil for cleaning.
MN-It was last cleaned in Berlin in 1945.
-
AK-You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from inside.
AR-You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from 600 meters.
MN-You can hit the farm from two counties over.
-
AK-Cheap mags are fun to buy.
AR-Cheap mags melt.
MN-What’s a mag?
-
AK-Your safety can be heard from 300 meters away.
AR-You can silently flip off the safety with your finger on the trigger.
MN-What’s a safety?
-
AK-Your rifle comes with a cheap nylon sling.
AR-Your rifle has a 9 point stealth tactical suspension system.
MN-You rifle has dog collars.
-
AK-Your bayonet makes a good wire cutter.
AR-Your bayonet is actually a pretty good steak knife.
MN-Your bayonet is longer than your leg.
-
AK-You can put a .30” hole through 12” of oak, if you can hit it.
AR-You can put one hole in a paper target at 100 meters with 30 rounds.
MN-You can knock down everyone else’s target with the shock wave of your bullet going downrange.
-
AK-When out of ammo your rifle will nominally pass as a club.
AR-When out of ammo, your rifle makes a great wiffle bat.
MN-When out of ammo, your rifle makes a supreme war club, pike, boat oar, tent pole, or firewood.
-
AK-Recoil is manageable, even fun.
AR-What’s recoil?
MN-Recoil is often used to relocate shoulders thrown out by the previous shot.
-
AK-Your sight adjustment goes to “10”, and you’ve never bothered moving it.
AR-Your sight adjustment is incremented in fractions of minute of angle.
MN-Your sight adjustment goes to 12 miles and you’ve actually tried it.
-
AK-Your rifle can be used by any two bit nation’s most illiterate conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide.
AR-Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two bit nations’ most illiterate conscripts.
MN-Your rifle has fought against itself and won every time.
-
AK-Your rifle won some revolutions.
AR-Your rifle won the Cold War.
MN-Your rifle won a pole vault event.
-
AK-You paid $350.
AR-You paid $900.
MN-You paid $59.95.
-
AK-You buy cheap ammo by the case.
AR-You lovingly reload precision crafted rounds one by one.
MN-You dig your ammo out of a farmer’s field in Ukraine and it works just fine.
-
AK-You can intimidate your foe with the bayonet mounted.
AR-You foes laugh when you mount your bayonet.
MN-You can bayonet your foe on the other side of the river without leaving the comfort of your hole.
-
AK-Service life, 50 years.
AR-Service life, 40 years.
MN-Service life, 100 years, and counting.
-
AK-It’s easier to buy a new rifle when you want to change cartridge sizes.
AR-You can change cartridge sizes with the push of a couple of pins and a new upper.
MN-You believe no real man would dare risk the ridicule of his friends by suggesting there is anything but 7.62x54r.
-
AK-You can repair your rifle with a big hammer and a swift kick.
AR-You can repair your rifle by taking it to a certified gunsmith, it’s under warranty!
MN-If your rifle breaks, you buy a new one.
-
AK-You consider it a badge of honor when you get your handguards burst into flames.
AR-You consider it a badge of honor when you shoot a sub-MOA 5 shot group.
MN-You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2x4.
-
AK-After a long day the range you relax by watching “Red Dawn”.
AR-After a long day at the range you relax by watching “Blackhawk Down”.
MN-After a long day at the range you relax by visiting the chiropractor.
-
AK-After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for a stiff shot of Vodka.
AR-After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for hotdogs and apple pie.
MN-After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for shishkabob.
-
AK-You can accessorize you rifle with a new muzzle brake or a nice stock set.
AR-Your rifle’s accessories are eight times more valuable than your rifle.
MN-Your rifle’s accessory is a small tin can with a funny lid, but it’s buried under an apartment building somewhere in Budapest.
-
AK-Your rifle’s finish is varnish and paint.
AR-Your rifle’s finish is Teflon and high tech polymers.
MN-Your rifle’s finish is low grade shellac, cosmoline and Olga’s toe nails.
-
AK-Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Mikhail Kalashnikov.
AR-Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Eugene Stoner.
MN-You’re not sure there WERE cameras to photograph Sergei Mosin.
-
AK-Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to hold your rifle over your head and shout “Wolverines!”
AR-Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to clear your house, slicing the pie from room to room.
MN-Late at night, you sometimes have to fight the urge to dig a fighting trench in the the yard to sleep in.


30 posted on 02/17/2010 4:32:13 PM PST by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

Oops. Sorry, I didn’t see the other scientific post.


31 posted on 02/17/2010 4:33:22 PM PST by LouAvul
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To: rickomatic

I shoot corrosive all the time. Just have to clean well after each time. Especially if you are in a humid climate.

(Big5’s 91/30s are on sale for $99 this week)


32 posted on 02/17/2010 4:33:26 PM PST by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir!)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
"still hit it with the barrel flame'
Like this? ;)

mosin44 fireball

33 posted on 02/17/2010 4:35:25 PM PST by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir!)
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To: mylife

For the full length rifle: Install bent bolt or have your bolt cut, extended and bent. Get a scope mount that fits on the forward ring of the receiver. Buy the $60 Mosin Nagant plastic stock.... The 182 grain Bulgarian (yellowtip) ammo is excellent at 400-600yds. There are several internet sporting goods outifts out there that have the right stuff. Cheaperthandirt, centerfiresystems, (my favorites) and a host of others. We have 3 MG’s in the house. May not be pretty but they are as lethal as any of the $1000 rifles....


34 posted on 02/17/2010 4:36:05 PM PST by libertyhoundusnr
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To: libertyhoundusnr

Naw. I aint cutting this thing up its 113 years old.


35 posted on 02/17/2010 4:38:56 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: dynachrome
Thx! I think you are right. Mine looks like this:
36 posted on 02/17/2010 4:41:02 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: PapaBear3625
"Late at night, you sometimes have to fight the urge to dig a fighting trench in the the yard to sleep in."

I've actually had that urge. And I have practiced clearing my house...

37 posted on 02/17/2010 4:41:16 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (obama out now! I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom - you can keep the change.)
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To: MtnClimber; Phantom Lord
Sorry but water is all you need to clean it with, along with a good bore cleaner and if you can get you hands on some pre 1950 US army(or marine)bore cleaner you will be ok without the water(water is part of that solution). Clean it for 3 days every day after shooting if you use corrosive ammo.

The reason? The primer uses fulminates in order to set off the main powder charge in the cartridge, this produces salt, salt will, of course, rust the crap out of a barrel and other components.

The rifle you plan to buy is a good one if somewhat ugly compared to others and would make a great gift to a gun lover.

38 posted on 02/17/2010 4:46:20 PM PST by calex59
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To: parsifal

Very nice example. Very good stock.

Arrow in triangle = Izhvesk arsenal

Arrow in star = Tula aresenal.

(above the serial #)

(unless you have a Polish, Romanian or other countries version)


39 posted on 02/17/2010 4:46:21 PM PST by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir!)
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To: dynachrome

I also think it is Romanian made. From wiki:

Romania

* Triangular shaped markings, some with an arrow inside, on many components of the rifle. Normally three “R”’s surrounded by crossed stalks with leaves pointing outwards are on the top of the breech. Year stamps are quite visible.
* M44 Pattern— Domestically produced version of post war pattern Soviet M44 Carbine during the years 1953 to 1955. Variances to the Soviet pattern produced minor differences.

Mine has the triangles, with the arrow inside, but no “r”s or crossed stalks.

parsy


40 posted on 02/17/2010 4:47:05 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: Phantom Lord

Some say that they kick a lot, but my kids were shooting them before becoming teenagers, including my daughter who shot her first one at 10. There is a lot of surplus ammo out there, and almost all of it is corrosive. Make sure you clean the rifle properly after firing surplus ammo through it. Look online for cleaning method suggestions. Most of these rifles are in good shape, as they were re-arsenaled prior to storage, however the aforementioned corrosive ammo will change that in a hurry.


41 posted on 02/17/2010 4:48:07 PM PST by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: libertyhoundusnr

Mine is the second one pictured http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM91R.htm


42 posted on 02/17/2010 4:48:46 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: parsifal

See post 42 for arsenal markings.


43 posted on 02/17/2010 4:49:40 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: parsifal; All

‘It is a manly gun, supposedly.’

Yup

“#9: Mosin-Nagant M44
Speaking of guns without safeties, here’s the Mosin-Nagant M44 Carbine from Russia. The Mosin was used by the Russians against the Finns, the Finns against the Russians, the Estonians against the Russians, the Russians against the Russians, and the Russians against the Germans. It does, in fact, have a safety, but it’s quite hard to engage. But this is not a complaint one would ever voice in the Red Army. Your officer would reply, “Safety? Safety? Is gun! Meant to kill! No warrior should know he has safety on gun, because he should be killing enemies of homeland! Safety make loud click to aid enemy in locating warriors! No safety!” while pounding his fist on the table.

And the Mosin can kill enemies of homeland. The muzzle blast will vaporize green growth within a few feet of the muzzle, and even if you miss, the enemy will be reduced to shouting “WHAT?” to communicate. You’ll need a recoil pad or shooting jacket. Ordinarily, this might be considered unmanly, but this rifle has a short stock for using while wearing several layers of wool for a Russian winter. It is acceptable to wear padding to fire a Mosin.

Of course, there are also M38, 91/30 and other variations of Mosin-Nagant and all are cool. All, also (except the M38), come with a bayonet. Russian doctrine held that the bayonet was mounted except while traveling in a vehicle, because the Russians understood that an empty rifle could still be a pointy stick—a Viking spear. The Russians loved to spear Turks. So, coincidentally, did the Vikings. This rifle sounds better all the time, doesn’t it? The Finns used the Mosin as a sniper rifle during the Winter War, and their greatest Sniper was Simo Häyhä, who had 500 confirmed kills in 100 days. This is a man the Finns describe as “modest” and “self-effacing.” It’s a good thing the Russians didn’t run into a Finn who was proud and arrogant. They’d have been wiped out.

It fires a 7.62X54R (for “Rimmed”) cartridge, about as powerful as .30-06, and holds the distinction of being in service from 1891 to the present, longer than any other military cartridge. It is still used in Dragunovs, PKMs and other Russian weapons. It’s cheap in quantity. So are the rifles, because they were built for (all variations) over 70 years, by Russia, Finland, Poland, Romania, even the US. As I write this, arsenal-new M44s are $55 to $200. At that price, you should have several, so any guests you have during the Collapse can be outfitted as they receive Enlightenment. Then they can rape, kill, sack and loot with the rest of the men who secure a new Dark Ages to hasten the new renaissance. It will be a manly duty.”


44 posted on 02/17/2010 4:50:02 PM PST by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir!)
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To: dynachrome

Or maybe not Romanian. Izhvesk is in Russia, right? Serial Number is BE1745.

parsy


45 posted on 02/17/2010 4:51:50 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: parsifal

Romania only from 1953-1955.

The triangle/arrow is the Russsian Izzy

This it?

http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM44S.htm


46 posted on 02/17/2010 4:54:17 PM PST by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir!)
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To: Phantom Lord

Basically the same ballistics as the 30.06.


47 posted on 02/17/2010 5:00:52 PM PST by Mariner
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To: PapaBear3625

That’s some seriously funny stuff!


48 posted on 02/17/2010 5:11:52 PM PST by MDspinboyredux
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To: dynachrome
Even the Germans would gladly trade their rifles and machine pistols for Mosins and and PP Sh's.


49 posted on 02/17/2010 5:13:07 PM PST by oyez ( damnant quod non intelligunt)
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To: Phantom Lord

If you can get some of the Russian surplus ammo that goes off about a second after you pull the trigger, try it. It’s great for learning not to flinch.


50 posted on 02/17/2010 5:14:38 PM PST by pallis
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