Colonel (O-6)
Navy Captain (O-6)
Posted on 02/20/2010 5:06:02 AM PST by myknowledge
I was wondering, that few militaries (like the United States) have women officers at flag rank (O-7 through to O-10).
In order to limit the number of women in the military, even in the commissioned officer ranks, I would suggest a capping, or 'glass ceiling' for officer servicewomen to O-6 (colonel or navy captain).
Do you think imposing a 'glass ceiling' on servicewomen is 'sexist'? Is it 'unpatriotic'?
Colonel (O-6)
Navy Captain (O-6)
I miss your point - why cap women at 0-6?
No. I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish.
Are you talking about our country or your’s.
I think the US has moved beyond such stupid questions.
I won’t judge on sexes, but how about limiting the rank of musicians?
Why should band members become field officers or zebras?
Traditionally, all successful generals were male and skilled at leadership. I'm not sending a sexist message, but I'm stating the historical truth.
Retired Army Platoon Sergeant, here. I was a SOLDIER first, a PATRIOT second and a God-Fearing FEMALE, a distant third.
You, however, are an idiot.
Having worked for a female 0-8 (Major General) in the USMC, I will just say that your suggestion is without merit.
Politicians and bureaucrats, whether uniformed or civilian, male, female or androgynous, will make these decisions. I think our armed forces were more effective before political correctness made them a tinkertoy for taxpayer funded sociological, bloc political posturing.
So I thought of this: limiting the highest commissioned officer rank to O-6 (Colonel / Navy Captain), as a compromise.
Why, for heaven's sake, would you suggest that? Just what do you think it would accomplish?
Do you think imposing a 'glass ceiling' on servicewomen is 'sexist'? Is it 'unpatriotic'?
No, just stupid.
Regards,
No. Anyone’s.
She retired as an O-6. Years later while I was serving under any number of less than lustrous stars, I realized she'd have made a damn fine general officer.
I am opposed to women in combat units. However I have no problem with women generals.
If you have an actual cap on promotions then you no longer have a glass ceiling.
Say it again.
This is one of those “no win” threads. In a nutshell, if women are currently barred from direct combat duty, then they should be prohibited from commanding such a unit. There are however, many fields open to women all they way to the top. These selections are not usually taken lightly. They are well qualified officers in most cases, just like men.
Military officers on the “flag track” get different training, exposure, education, and respnsibilities. As a Navy vet, I don’t think I would want a woman commanding a carrier battle group. Not because she is arbitrarily unqualied due to gender, but because she doesn’t have the right “tickets” punched.
As long as the politicians dictate where women can serve (and this can change admin-to-admin), it makes little sense to groom a woman for a billet she may not be “allowed” to serve in.
(Dianna, I’m generally on your side, so go easy on me!)
Just plain stupid. If they do the job correctly, promote them. I can’t believe this thread...
Good grief, Sarge, the poster was just floating an idea, not insulting women in the services, the way I see it.
You and I served so that people could be free to express such ideas...and insulting someone for a perceived “stupid” theory is just not worthy...
Think about it, won’t you.....and just freakin’ chill!
I see. You’re one of those, ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ types, LOL! Stick a flower in the end of your rifle while you’re at it; see how far that gets ya. ;)
All units are combat units when in a combat theater or have you not been paying attention for the last 9 years?.
Traditional “low combat probability” jobs are not any longer. Maintainers, Transporters, Logistics all are in the mix, especially as the asymmetrical aspect of resistance against our forces increases-the underbelly IS the target, the badguys know they cannot win against our maneuver forces, so they do not attempt. Warfare will continue to be as such, probably widening in that respect.
In order to remove females from combat probability, we would need to forbid them from ever leaving the FOB, making them irrelevant and a burden....
If we want to protect or prohibit females from “combat”, then we must forbid military service by them.
Yep, you pegged me! :-)
Really, I was in for 10 years, decided to get out because I wanted to take care of my beautiful but tough pregnancy son but my husband continued on and we were Navy for 30 yrs.
I am unapologetically hawkish. I know some of the flags in the Navy and shake my head at how they got there - spking of DADT, I know Mullen! Cripes! - and weep for the folks in the field under this admin.
I don’t have a prob if someone wants to suggest stuff on the Free Republic - I think it’s good for us and I really enjoy the ideas - I get your frustration but maybe save it for something more stupid, maybe?
It appears this idea requires some further consideration.
or not.
No capping necessary, bring back the WAC!
That whole “historically, all successful generals were male...” thing just perplexes me. When you only allow a specific type of person to become something, of course all the ‘successful’ ones would be of that specific type.
It's a waste of talent. Many women can and do operate successfully at flag rank.
No, whatever for.
I once floated an idea to my DI in basic training............I seemed to have had a knack of learning things the hard way.
You’re an idiot.
Did you know there is a Navy destroyer named for a female Admiral? The USS Hopper - DDG-70.
Ever her of Computer “compiler”; the term “debugging” or the “COBOL” language? Thank Admiral Grace Hopper.
Thanks for you service, Sarge!
That would ban Sarah Palin from serving as C.I.C.
Are there not female “aviators”? Is not a requirement to be carrier skipper that they be aviators? Are there not female skippers of other ship types out there?
If they’re already serving in such roles why can’t they rise to flag rank? What other tickets do they need punched?
O6 is way too high a rank for women they should be limited to o2.
AMEN......thank YOU for your service!!!
lol... that’s what I like about NCOs.
Your proposal is BOTH.....sexist and UNpatriotic.
You asked.
Roger that.
Woman are better managers then men most of the time.
I for one see NO problem with having females in the upper ranks if they earned it because of leadership skills.
Your arguments don’t and wont change my experiences as an Infantryman. If you want to ban females from the military, then that is a choice I can live with.
Why would you want to limit anyone’s ability to go as far as their talents take them?
Hooah
In jest and all due respect to the men, don’t ever think one woman can’t out-smart any two men. :-)
E-4, that should be it for women. :>)
I didn't have all that much contact with women in the military, but my mom was one of those incompetent female O's, and growing up she had a couple BBQs for the women in her service groups every summer. It's been 40 years, but I still remember some of the personal histories, and deeply regret I didn't have the sense to write them down. I've seen lots of goofy threads on FR, but this proposition takes the cake.
Barring a major surge in enlistments of male medical personel, poeple may die with it too. Females in combat roles is a different issue.
Your Mom was one sharp cookie, obviously. I learned long ago that the Army really DOES move on it’s stomach, LOL!
When I was in charge of my ‘men,’ I made sure they were well fed, had hot water to shave with (no matter where we were) and I kept a footlocker full of ‘off limits’ treats that they weren’t ‘supposed ‘to have, but they got anyway at the end of a long, hard day.
Those guys would’ve gone to hell and back for me, if I had asked them to. I’m sure your Mom’s people felt the same way about her. ;)
Leading by example really isn’t that hard. If your people see you’re willing to do the hard work too, and/or that they can DEPEND upon you, you’ve got it made. If you tell them the ‘why’ behind what they’re doing, ‘X needs to happen TODAY, so Y can happen TOMORROW’, people get it.
I stated no personal position-I was simply posing the options...
Personally, I would not prefer our women in harm’s way, but that is the way it is.
My daughter is an Airman with several deployments (90 day types, per the USAF) under her belt. She is a tough professional and I support her.
Thanks for your service!
That horse is so far out the barn door that you can’t even see it any longer. IOW’s the situation is not reversible.
I consider the very idea of capping military ranks for women at 0-6 to be an insulting disservice to the many women who have served honorably and well at flag rank.
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