Anyone watching "The Kennedy Assassination: 24 Hours After" on the History Channel?

[FortWorthPatriot]

So far it appears to be nothing but a big pity party for LBJ.

[FortWorthPatriot]

Just wondering.

[RangerM]

Hadn’t seen it before.

Thanks for the heads up.

[wendy1946]

All you really have ever had wrt what happened to jfk is a choice of conspiracy theories, any one of which is just as good as any other, and one of them says that lbj was involved in it.

[Textide]

Saw it a couple of months back. Favorite part was the loading and unloading of Air Force One. The Kennedy and LBJ folks pushing and shoving....

[digital-olive]

No, I watched Beck’s CPAC speech, then Rush’s last speech there, then Beck again.

[ETL]

From the Wall Street Journal
NOVEMBER 24, 2007

Oswald was a dedicated communist who had defected to the Soviet Union in 1959 out of disgust with American capitalism. After becoming disillusioned with Soviet life, he returned to the U.S. in 1962. In early 1963, he bought a scoped rifle through the mail and soon used it to fire a shot (which missed) at retired general Edwin Walker, the head of the John Birch Society in Dallas. In the summer of 1963, Oswald was active in street demonstrations in support of Castro. In September 1963, he visited the Soviet and Cuban embassies in Mexico City seeking a travel visa that would allow him to travel to Cuba.

Oswald was among the radicals of the time who saw Third World revolutionaries like Castro as the wave of the communist future. He was well aware of Kennedy's efforts to overthrow Castro's regime. As a Senate investigative committee suggested in 1975, Oswald shot Kennedy to interrupt his administration's plans to assassinate Castro or to overthrow his regime in Cuba.

Ignoring Oswald's communist links, journalists and political leaders quickly claimed the president was a martyr to civil rights. Earl Warren said that Kennedy had "suffered martyrdom as a result of the hatred and bitterness that has been injected into the life of our nation by bigots." Martin Luther King said the assassination had to be viewed against the backdrop of violence against civil rights marchers in the South. James Reston wrote in the New York Times that "something in the nation itself, some strain of madness and violence, had destroyed the highest symbol of law and order."

The consensus opinion was that Kennedy was a victim of hate and bigotry, a casualty of his support for civil rights. The Cold War and Kennedy's ongoing feud with Castro were rarely mentioned as factors behind the assassination. The reasons? Mrs. Kennedy wanted her husband remembered as a modern-day Abraham Lincoln. Lyndon Johnson feared complicating relations with the Soviet Union. Liberals feared a replay of the McCarthy period, when the Wisconsin senator inflamed public opinion about fears of domestic communism.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119586848318702756.html

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Lee Harvey Oswald
From Wikipedia (with lots of references at site) :

Around the age of fifteen, he became an ardent Marxist solely from his private reading on the topic. He wrote in his diary, "I was looking for a key to my environment, and then I discovered socialist literature. I had to dig for my books in the back dusty shelves of libraries."[13] At 16 he wrote to the Socialist Party of America, stating that he was a Marxist who had been studying socialist principles for "well over fifteen months," and asked for information about their youth league.[14]

While in the Marines, Oswald was trained in the use of the M1 Garand rifle. Following that training, he was tested in December of 1956, and obtained a score of 212, which was 2 points above the minimum for qualifications as a sharpshooter. In May 1959, on another range, Oswald scored 191, which was 1 point over the minimum for ranking as a marksman.[17]

Small and frail compared to the other Marines, he was nicknamed Ozzie Rabbit after the cartoon character. His shyness and Soviet sympathies alienated him from his fellow Marines. Ostracism only seemed to provoke him into being a stauncher, more outspoken communist. For his steadfast beliefs, his nickname ultimately became Oswaldskovich.

Life in the Soviet Union

In October 1959, Oswald immigrated to the Soviet Union. He was nineteen, and the trip was planned well in advance. Along with having taught himself rudimentary Russian, he had saved $1,500 of his Marine Corps salary,[19] got an early "hardship" discharge by (falsely) claiming he needed to care for his injured mother,[20] got a passport, and submitted several fictional applications to foreign universities in order to obtain a student visa (and possibly help avoid Marine Corps reserve duty).

After spending only three days with his mother in Fort Worth, he departed by ship from New Orleans on September 20, 1959, for the Soviet Union, first arriving in Le Havre in France, then to London,England and eventually Oswald to a Finnair flight to Helsinki, Finland as part of a package tour. Oswald landed to Helsinki airport in October 10 at 23.30 a.m. he registered at the Hotel Torni but two days later , he moved to the Kurki Hotel.Oswald applied for a visa at the embassy on October 12, his first business day in Helsinki. Oswalds visa was issued on October 14. It was valid until October 20 and permitted him to take one trip of not more than 6 days to the Soviet Union. He left from Helsinki Central Railway Station by train next day on October 15 to Moscow and when he crossed the Finnish-Russian border at Vainikkala, he arrived to Moscow on October 16." [21] When he arrived in the Soviet Union and showed up unexpectedly at the Embassy in Moscow, he said he wanted to renounce his U.S. citizenship.[22][23] When the Navy Department learned of this, it changed Oswald's Marine Corps discharge from "hardship/honorable" to "undesirable."[24]

Oswald told a reporter in Moscow, "For two years I've had it in my mind, don't form any attachments, because I knew I was going away. I was planning to divest myself of everything to do with the United States."[25] To another reporter he said, "I would not consider returning to the United States," and referred to the Soviet government as "my government."[26] His wish to remain in the Soviet Union was initially applauded by the Soviets, but although he had some technical knowledge acquired in the Marines they soon discovered he had little of real value to offer the Soviet Union and his application for Soviet residency was rejected.[27] In response, Oswald made a bloody but minor cut to his left wrist in his hotel room bathtub. After bandaging his superficial injury, the cautious Soviets kept him under psychiatric observation at the Botkin Hospital.[28][29] Although this attempt may have been no more than an attention-getting ruse, the Soviet government feared an international incident if he were to attempt something similar again.

New Orleans

Oswald returned to New Orleans, arriving on the morning of April 25, 1963 looking for work. After Oswald got a job as a machinery greaser with the Reily Coffee Company in May, Marina was driven there by family friend Ruth Paine. Oswald was fired for inefficiency and dereliction of duty on July 19.

During this period, Oswald began to consider returning to the Soviet Union or going to Cuba.[57] He had Marina write to the Soviet Embassy in Washington, D.C. about the possibility of their returning to the Soviet Union.[58] His Marxist ideals became focused on Fidel Castro and Cuba and he soon became a vocal pro-Castro advocate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

[NEW YORKCITYGOPMAN]

no not lbj; too obvious

it was aristotle onassis, so he could wed Jackie!

[Frantzie]

Who got incredibly richer off Vietnam? LBJ.

[Lawgvr1955]

Doubt they could make a show that would make me feel pity for LBJ.

[ETL]

no not lbj; too obvious

Lol! The left has thrown so much smoke on this that there are actually people who think LBJ is more obvious than the open communist, Castro supporter, Soviet Union lover, Lee Harvey Oswald!

[Moonmad27]

Yep, watching it now. Interesting stuff that was hidden for those years. As a kid then, I remember the thought that the info would be sealed for decades-a bit amazing that those years have now passed.

[FortWorthPatriot]

I say that only because for at least the first 30 minutes they ramble on and on about how poor LBJ felt like he wasn’t being given enough to do as VP and that the Kennedy brothers made fun of him behind his back and even had an LBJ voodoo doll they played around with, and that he always had such an unhappy hound dog face. They even showed official photos of Kennedy signing legislation with all these congressmen standing around him with poor LBJ standing in back with a sad look on his face, like he was being deliberately left out.

[tumblindice]

I’m always fascinated by how fast Jackie makes it from the back seat to the rear bumper of that Lincoln.
SS agent Clint Walker had his hands full trying to keep her from eating asphalt.

[Deaf Smith]

On a side note: The Ozzie Rabbit bar in Handley removed the image of Oswald with the rabbit ears from the outside (west) wall a week or so ago.

[FortWorthPatriot]

No kidding! I’ve always kind of felt bad for her since she was within inches of his face when the final shot blew his skull out. In the film you see her leaning in to him as if to ask “what’s wrong?” and then the fatal shot. I would imagine the shock of it all had her climbing out onto the trunk.

[martin_fierro]

Was watching, but got busy fiddling around with NDISWRAPPER in Linux, so am DVR'ing it.

So there.

[Deaf Smith]

She reached back to grab a piece of his skull & scalp off the trunk deck.

[FortWorthPatriot]

I’ve never heard that before. Do you have a source?

[Sybeck1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zNMo8kl7Ac

Ever heard Johnson talk to his tailor? Funny stuff.

[tumblindice]

I think the first shot went through his upper back, then wounded Gov. Connally. I think Mrs. Connally was quoted as saying, “They’re going to kill us all!” about the time the Governor keeled over. The fatal shot, when the president’s front, right skull was hanging down on the side of his face, blood and brain matter everywhere, I’m surprised she didn’t bail over the side.
He was using a war surplus Italian rifle, siting on a moving target at over 300 feet, with some branches in the way. The Marines turn out some real shooters.

[Deaf Smith]

It’s been discussed for decades.

[Froggie]

Didn’t know there was a marine behind the picket fence on the grassy knoll!

[tumblindice]

Posner’s book, `Case Closed’ points out that a careful review of Zapruder’s film showed only three `jolts’: you know how people flinch when the honor guard fires at a military funeral?
Former Marine Oswald (known to his fellow Marines as `Ozzy Rabbit’) fired three times. One shot hit the pavement, two hits on his target.
Conspiracy and assassination sound better/more exalted, I suppose, but it was plain murder by a deranged loner/misfit.

[DJ MacWoW]

The story was at the hospital she handed the doctor some “pieces” of her husband and asked if it would help them. Don’t know if it’s true but the poor woman surely suffered from shock.

[rawcatslyentist]

>"The Marines turn out some real shooters."

So do the KGB.

[tumblindice]

Yep, behind that little puff of smoke above the fence in the photo of the grassy knoll was Boris Badenov and waiting behind him, the CIA, then a half dozen Cubans, assorted Mafia hitmen, several assorted crazies with standby invitations, and several dozen regular Texans led y LBJ who just happened to be passing by, saw what was happening and decided, “Well hell, I’ll give it a go!” and unlimbered their deer rifles from their truck racks. (Maybe some outerspace aliens too?)
They had all taken numbers and were waiting their turn to take a potshot at the Anti-christ.
Almost sixty years of conjecture about UFOs and Kennedy assassination conspiracies and all we have to show for it is some really fuzzy photographs; like the John Wayne Bobbett case, no hard evidence that will stand up in court, just a lot of wildeyed speculation/smoke & mirrors from his worshippers who could not accept that their guy was only human—all objections as if stated from ambitious cajun lawyers and screwball Hollywood directors.

[the_Watchman]

There was a Readers Digest article which stated that Oswald had served in Japan during his stint in the U.S. military. The article said that his post gave him access to information about the height of U2 flights which could have led to the shoot down of Francis Gary Powers.

Other sources recounted that Oswald had defended Castro’s Cuba on the radio while he was in New Orleans. He seemed to have more affinity for Cuba than the U.S.S.R.

That being said, he probably was not working under direction of either Cuba or the U.S.S.R. It is curious that Jack Ruby, his killer, was a nightclub owner who had traveled to Communist Cuba at a time when not many people did this.

[ETL]

Interesting. I didn’t know Ruby had gone to Cuba. Do you know if it was after Castro had taken over? Of course the Mob had a heavy influence there prior.

[the_Watchman]

The story was that he had gone to Cuba after Castro had taken over. According to a web page, Ruby went in August of 1959. Castro had assumed power on Jan 1, 1959.

For a brief period the U.S. media successfully hid the fact that Castro was setting up a Communist state. I have no idea whether this was common knowledge by August of that year. It is quite possible that Ruby did not have a clue. It also seems rather early for intrigue against the U.S. to be coming from Cuba.

[Tublecane]

“Who got incredibly richer off Vietnam? LBJ”

Wait a second, didn’t Vietnam (among other things) cost him a second term, after he had won the previous election in a historic landslide? Remind me how it made him “richer”.

[Tublecane]

“She reached back to grab a piece of his skull & scalp off the trunk deck.”

Did it fly through a cloud of invisible ink so that we can’t see it (as we see the cloud of red and the gooey stuff inside his head)? Or was Jackie enough of a neat-freak to worry about a piece of skull too small to be seen on the film?

There was no brain matter. Watch the film. This is no more than wishful thinking on the part of those who want the head-shot to have come from the front.

[Tublecane]

“He was using a war surplus Italian rifle, siting on a moving target at over 300 feet, with some branches in the way. The Marines turn out some real shooters.”

The head-shot would have had no obstructions.

[beckysueb]

It was in a biography about her. The book is called “A Woman Named Jackie”. Great read.

[Tublecane]

“For a brief period the U.S. media successfully hid the fact that Castro was setting up a Communist state.”

Bear in mind that Castro flirted with both sides, and our government really, really hoped (”crossing my fingers”) he’d tip our way. Just like they hoped Mao wasn’t such a bad guy. And that the Soviet Union would hold free elections in its satellite states.

Oh, and the media is, in my opinion, oftener stupid than sly.

[Loud Mime]

The reporting of the action seemed logical. Their reporting of the persons and animosities seemed to be stretched....they wanted a story so they created one every chance they got.

Every reality show now has these dramas...even when cutting down trees or making souffles.

[Deo volente]

[ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton]

Here is what happened by the father of Bush’s former press secretary:

http://www.amazon.com/Blood-Money-Power-L-B-J-Killed/dp/0963784625

[SlightOfTongue]

...one of them says that lbj was involved in it.

I knew THAT the day it happened! I was in San Angelo, Texas at the time.

[Clemenza]

No, I was watching “The Battle of Algiers” instead, which all Freepers should see, as it is the GREATEST movie on guerilla warfare and counterinsurgency tactics ever made.

[goat granny]

I watched part of it, was an adult when it happened. Kennedy went to Texas to mend fences and it didn't look like he was going to be reelected...Bobby hated Johnson and the Kennedy's always thought everything was theirs anyway..Johnson did the right thing by holding up the plane until he was sworn in...If not, he had no right to ride in AF 1 with the secutity that goes with it...All the Kennedy's hated LBJ (I was not a fan of of his after he became presidnet and started the Great Society and war on poverty. He was an ass when it came to Viet Nam also...Increase the military to something like 1/2 million and said on TV he was not going to be the first president to lose a war...He was a jerk, but the Kennedys have always felt entitled to whatever they wanted..

No sympathy for either family....it was common knowledge that they hated each other....jmho The swearing in on AF 1 was the only thing he did right, and Bobby K. would have liked to destroy him...Johnson did that by himself with the way he ran the war as CIC...

[goat granny]

If I remember correctly, Jackies testamony was to be sealed until 50 years after her death...So not all the stuff has been declassified...

[goat granny]

For years Bobby thought he was responsible for the assignation because he as Attorney General was taking on some big unions like the teamsters....Hoffa hated Bobby and made no bones about it...Union corruption was Bobbys favorite target.

Some of you younger freepers have no idea of the power of the teamsters under Hoffa. They could close down the whole country if they wanted...Independent truckers were killed oops had accidents all the time and rigs were burned regulary...

[goat granny]

you are correct. LBJ's presidency after the assignation, left him open for 2 more terms. He was elected to the first but made such a mess of everything in the war, he refused to run for the second election...Went on the TV and stated I will not run for president and if nominated I will not serve...

[goat granny]

ouch..

[greeneyes]

I was in high school. My first thought was that Castro was behind it, and I was really concerned. Coming so close to the Cuban Missle Crisis, it was scary. When RFK accepted the official version, I thought he was just saving the USA from Nuclear War.

I was watching the TV when Oswald was shot, turned to my Dad and said, now we will never know for sure.

Later, I found out that Kennedy had several groups of enemies who were willing to assassinate him, so if not Oswald, it would have been someone. My Granny always thought Johnson did it, which I thought was crazy (but who knows now?).

I also never believed our Government would be involved in assassinations, but now I know we were. The Kennedy's were involved in so much crap, it's no surprise that he and his brother were killed.

[Frantzie]

LBJ left office as the second richest POTUS In history. Inflation adjusted Washington was a billionaire. LBJ had Johnson fence company that did all the bases in SE Asia. He was a major shareholder in Brown & Root which became part of Halliburton. They built all the bases in SE Asia including a huge port in Nam. LBJ made tons of money of Vietnam. Tons of defense contractors where in TX including Bell, North American/General Dynamics plus others. LBJ got a “piece” of everything.

[Frantzie]

The Teamsters and the mob got WV and IL for JFK. He dissed the mob in a major way after winning. JFK told Sinatra to get screwed. Frankie was no fan at that point. The Kennedys made a LOT of enemies. Ari Onassis had ongoing battles with them.

[goat granny]

Jackie got even, she married Onassis. And outlived him..

[SunkenCiv]

http://www.nogw.com/images/thewink.jpg
http://www.umsl.edu/~thomaskp/wink.jpg
http://www.the7thfire.com/images/thewink.jpg
http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/august2006/300806wink.jpg