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What if "Birthers" were "Age-ers"?
The Post & Email ^ | February 19, 2010 | Sally Vendée

Posted on 02/21/2010 6:47:28 AM PST by kyright

Everyone knows, or should by now with all of the “birther” hullabaloo, Article II of the Constitution and its three requirements for the Commander-in-Chief: He must be a “natural born Citizen,” at least thirty-five years old, and have resided for at least fourteen years within the United States.

Most Americans, according to the media, accept Obama’s alleged place of birth as Hawaii and his US citizenship. Many, though, especially in “tea party” circles, express frustration with his seeming lack of “transparency,” want to see more than the short-form birth certificate posted on the internet, and ask questions like: “Where do we put the plaque?” Everyday Americans must show a birth certificate and other credentials to get jobs, drivers’ licenses, loans, passports, play on sports teams, etc., and they wish that Obama would just present his so we can get on with it. These viewpoints earn them the dreaded label of “birther.”

The majority of “birthers” consider themselves “Constitutionalists,” and whether or not they have questions about Obama’s Hawaiian birth, they do have reservations about the “natural born” part— because of his Kenyan father, who was not an immigrant and never a US citizen, resulting in Obama Jr. admittedly being a dual citizen at birth. Scholars and attorneys could debate the definition of “natural born” for hours. Combine that question with the current political correctness of birthright citizenship, dual citizenship/allegiance and immigration, and the arguments become even more heated.

But what if the eligibility issue was much simpler to grasp: What if it had to do with the simplest of the three Presidential criteria—Age?

Imagine this:...

(Excerpt) Read more at thepostemail.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Test Topic, Ignore It
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birther; birthers; certifigate; constitution; eligibility; hawaii; naturalborncitizen; obama
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1 posted on 02/21/2010 6:47:28 AM PST by kyright
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To: kyright

To me the label of Birther is not dreaded.

I am ashamed that other Americans are willing to take the word of this Kenyan without his allowing them to see the “proof”.


2 posted on 02/21/2010 6:57:41 AM PST by Venturer
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To: kyright

Given that the MSM went through all of Sarah Palin’s financial and personal documents...why are they SO uninterested in Barry’s background?

Hmmmm???


3 posted on 02/21/2010 6:58:19 AM PST by kjo
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To: kjo

I am a patriot-oathkeeper-birther
oathkeeper.org
don’t delay join today


4 posted on 02/21/2010 7:02:28 AM PST by manonCANAL
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To: kyright; Fred Nerks; null and void; rxsid; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; ...

Agist Ping


5 posted on 02/21/2010 7:03:09 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 395 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: kjo

We know more about Joe the Plumber than Barry the Usurper!


6 posted on 02/21/2010 7:03:59 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you," O " you most proud, said the said the Lord GOD of hosts)
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To: kyright
What if it had to do with the simplest of the three Presidential criteria—Age?

I believe that this was referred to in the article. A Black Panther Party member was kicked off the ballot because we was not 35. (Some years ago in California, I believe.)

Prior presidents not rquired to prove citizenship some point out. But things change. Often for good reason.

Tens of millions of citizens past were not required to prove citizenship/eligibility to get a job here. But we must.

The I-9 form. Are members of Congress required to sign? The president? Citizenship is specified by the Constitution; 7 years for representatives, 9 years for senators; and natural born for president.

But wait! for those interested there's a new I-9 Form required as of August 7, 2009 (Looks to me that it's being phased out).

New employees will not be required to provide their Social Security Number except where the employer participates in the E-Verify program. (E-Verify also being phased out?)

The requirement for federal contractors to participate in the E-Verify program has been postponed. It's now up to the Obama Administration to decide. Ans: federal contractors will not be required to participate in the E-Verify program (soon to be defunct anyway?).

Other things are no longer required fot I-9.

7 posted on 02/21/2010 7:04:31 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: kyright
Its laws can be amended, but they should never be simply ignored... the very legitimacy of our Commander-in-Chief, who has sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution, is arguably the most important issue...his power is granted, and thereby limited, under the Constitution—or he is placed, or places himself, over and above it and the law.

All it takes in order to have a lawless society is to ignore the laws. It would not be an understatement to say that Obama is working outside of the Constitution.

8 posted on 02/21/2010 7:05:08 AM PST by Slyfox
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To: kyright
Everyday Americans must show a birth certificate and other credentials to get jobs, drivers’ licenses, loans, passports, play on sports teams, etc., and they wish that Obama would just present his so we can get on with it.

That's right. We have to release our long form b.c., Mr. President. Why not you?

All we are saying♩♪♫
is give release a chance♩♪♫

9 posted on 02/21/2010 7:05:51 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: kyright
Excellent article! I will send it to everyone I know.

By the way,....It is through **individual** people sending this information to everyone they know that the polls now show that in some states those who question Obama’s eligibility is now 50% ( or more!)

Person to person, e-mail to e-mail, Facebook and You tube onward, the American people **know** about the issue. This is **AMAZING**! Americans know despite the near complete media blackout.

There is no possible way that either Republicans or Democrats can tip toe around this great big stinky carcass of road kill blocking the road to the elections.

10 posted on 02/21/2010 7:07:13 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: kyright

Most Americans, according to the media, accept Obama’s alleged place of birth as Hawaii

ACCORDING TO THE MEDIA? OH please. Now that is a credible source.


11 posted on 02/21/2010 7:09:12 AM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: kyright
Orly Taitz should run for president. When the secretaries of state try to throw her off the ballot she should claim that, if Obama didn't have to show proof and could seal **his** records, then she too should be allowed to do **exactly** the the same.

If the Secretaries of State would put Obama on the ballot based on his sole word, then Orly should be too!!!

12 posted on 02/21/2010 7:10:09 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: kyright
What if "Birthers" were "Age-ers"?

A Birther by any other name is still a Birther.

13 posted on 02/21/2010 7:10:12 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: wintertime
Orly Taitz should run for president.

Except that it would take people about 10 minutes to come up with documented proof she was born overseas. Birthers have been trying for 18 months and haven't been able to accomplish that.

14 posted on 02/21/2010 7:11:38 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: null and void

Thanks for the ping, null and void.

Very good read. We’d know more about my husband if he ran for dog catcher than we do about the Kenyan. And he wouldn’t have anything to hide...unlike that *other one*.


15 posted on 02/21/2010 7:11:44 AM PST by azishot (J.D. Hayworth...U.S. Senator FOR Arizona...http://www.jdforsenate.com/)
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To: kyright

It will all come out someday.

The powers that be are determined that our ‘manchurian’ president fit a certain preformulated image and achieve certain goals.

We just to have hang in there and do our best to keep our constitution safe to the best of our ability.

I am not a birther...his birth place is the lest of our worries.

We need to focus on reducing the federal powers and strengthening each state’s ability to resist DC. Vote out progressives in both parties.


16 posted on 02/21/2010 7:13:22 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: wintertime
Person to person, e-mail to e-mail, Facebook and You tube onward, the American people **know** about the issue.

I get many emails (regarding this issue) from people that I never would've expected to even CARE about it. Slowly, the message is getting out.

17 posted on 02/21/2010 7:16:46 AM PST by azishot (J.D. Hayworth...U.S. Senator FOR Arizona...http://www.jdforsenate.com/)
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To: azishot

Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God...


18 posted on 02/21/2010 7:17:02 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 395 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: kyright

We either have a Constitution or we don’t.


19 posted on 02/21/2010 7:17:54 AM PST by Irisshlass
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To: kyright
From the article: The “Age-ers” are called “racist” or accused of “hate” because it so happens the man is also an African-American.

Do we actually know he's what they are calling African-American?

I mean, we haven't seen his Birth Certificate so how do we know who his parents really were?

Yeah, I know what he looks like, but maybe he's just "passing". Or maybe he had some plastic surgery like Michael Jackson. We haven't seen his medical records either.

Can he prove he's African-American? How do we know?

(/semi-sarc)

20 posted on 02/21/2010 7:22:52 AM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: wintertime
There is no possible way that either Republicans or Democrats can tip toe around this great big stinky carcass of road kill blocking the road to the elections.

Crossin' the highway late last night
He shoulda looked left and he shoulda looked right
He didn't see the station wagon car
The skunk got squashed and there you are!

(Chorus)
You got yer
Dead skunk in the middle of the road
Dead skunk in the middle of the road
You got yer dead skunk in the middle of the road
Stinkin' to high Heaven!...


Hmmmm. Black, check. White, check. B.O., check. And flattened in the polls, check.

He's a Poll-cat.

21 posted on 02/21/2010 7:23:14 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 395 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Except that it would take people about 10 minutes to come up with documented proof she was born overseas. Birthers have been trying for 18 months and haven't been able to accomplish that.

Slick. Obama uses presidential powers and over a million dollars in legal fees to lock up, of all things, his birth certificate, and you say that birthers can't find anything. LOL! Over a million bucks in legal defense says they found it, all right!

Even so, the birth certificate is a straw man - Obama admits to a British Kenyan father, and while that doesn't necessarily impact his born US citizenship, it does indeed negate ANY possible claim to "natural born" status. That the government refuses to act has nothing to do with the inescapable legitimacy of this simple legal fact.

22 posted on 02/21/2010 7:36:04 AM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: kyright
Some argue that Hillary would have used the b.c. issue if Obama wasn't eligible.

Wrong! IMO.

Hillary Clinton is the she in shenanigans. Obama would have unleashed proof of tons of her wrong doings. Lots of knowledgeable Clinton people, et al worked for him.

.. also, by the time Hillary realized that Obama was likely to beat her the Democratic Party had already committed perjury in all fifty seven states by signing the required forms. (If Obama was ineligible.)

23 posted on 02/21/2010 7:36:41 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Or...Some other resident alien or under aged person.

Oh! Think of the good time and laughs we could have with that! :)))

24 posted on 02/21/2010 7:37:23 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: kjo

Because the MSM can’t hidt their love for Marx er Obama.


25 posted on 02/21/2010 7:49:44 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: kyright

What if “Birthers” were “Age-ers”?

They’d still be “racists”.


26 posted on 02/21/2010 8:00:10 AM PST by Darth Reardon (Im running for the US Senate for a simple reason, I want to win a Nobel Peace Prize - Rubio)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Slithered out again as a loyal 0bamunist to protect your boy 0bama, hey?

To paraphrase Shakespeare:
"Methinks he doth protest too much".

0bama has recruited individuals who are weak minded and those of questionable loyalty to this Country, among whom I include YOU, to act as his official or unofficial "truth squads". These so-called "truth squads" attempt to browbeat or belittle those who do not agree, support or parrot his 0bamaunist Party Line, into submission. This is one of Hussein's favorite tactics because it does not require facts to support the arguments. I will not intimidated in submission.

Besides, since your boy 0bama is a proven liar, although not as adept as Bubba Klintoon, it is only logical that he may be lying about his citizenship status as well. Once a liar, always a liar.

27 posted on 02/21/2010 8:01:20 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Pork Eating CRUSADER - FUBO! Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: kyright
NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA
28 posted on 02/21/2010 8:17:53 AM PST by Deo volente (January 19, 2010...the Second American Revolution begins, right where it all started!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

What is more likely -

1. Non-Sequitur never leaves his key board (having a special combination desk chair/potty and a live in caterer) and therefore never ever misses any thread about the “O” and his BC...

2. A government software program is monitoring FR for the use of certain key words (birther, birth certificate, natural born, etc.) and within seconds, Non-Sequitur is notified that his anti-birther services are required online via his blackberry or PC or laptop depending on where is is at the moment...

3. A team of fed. gov. folks at their terminals monitor certain forums with emphasis on FR and lets N.S. know he needs to get on an FR birther thread and do his job...

What do you think - 1, 2 or 3?

His response today took 23 minutes - prompt but not too fast. Maybe wanted to see if the topic had any legs before making his move.


29 posted on 02/21/2010 8:33:41 AM PST by Natural Born 54
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To: KrisKrinkle

I don’t care whether he’s “really” African-American because there is no constitutional requirement as to race.

There is one as to nationality. And age. That’s what I care about.


30 posted on 02/21/2010 8:41:38 AM PST by Persevero (Satan tries to separate what God puts together and join together what God separates.)
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To: kyright
The majority of “birthers” consider themselves “Constitutionalists,”

Which I have done from the beginning.

(Obama) Your personal ambition should not come before your patriotism.

He has no patriotism to America.

31 posted on 02/21/2010 9:08:50 AM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: Talisker
Obama uses presidential powers and over a million dollars in legal fees to lock up, of all things, his birth certificate, and you say that birthers can't find anything.

Back to a million bucks? I've heard Birthers claim $2 million or $3 million or more.

Even so, the birth certificate is a straw man - Obama admits to a British Kenyan father, and while that doesn't necessarily impact his born US citizenship, it does indeed negate ANY possible claim to "natural born" status.

So you say. Yet there is no legislation or Supreme Court decision that makes your statement true.

That the government refuses to act has nothing to do with the inescapable legitimacy of this simple legal fact.

Maybe they just don't agree with you?

32 posted on 02/21/2010 9:15:07 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: azishot; Candor7; texasredhead; LucyT

All this contentious one-track dialogue concentrating on 0kaka’s BC is going to go on and on until some Congressmen/Senators start demanding full disclosure of the usurpers documents.

Until then, if it ever happens, we should demand ALL his other documents, mainly his school records.

0b0z0 and his media enablers demonized the Constitutionalists by simply avoiding their legitimate demands and calling them kooky “Birthers.”

This ghost of a POTUS will be uncovered by some patriots he’s demonizing almost daily, such as FBI/CIA officers, bankers, health insurance personnel, etc.

I dare the media and the 0kaka Administration communists to call us “Ghosters”, which will refer to his ghostly status every time they utter it.

0b0z0 will never run for reelection, definitely, if an accented, naturalized American candidate demands to run against him. SoSs will have to remove 0kaka from their ballots unless he proves that he is eligible. 0kaka has the right to go to court if he wishes. He won’t, trust me.

However, we want him out ASAP to limit and/or nullify the communist damage to our beloved country.

Oh, yes, should we be afraid of union and communist-led riots threatening us if we dare to try legally and peacefully to uncover the ghost? Nope, if they insist on their violent ways, so be it.

A Ghoster


33 posted on 02/21/2010 9:17:21 AM PST by melancholy (Stop USA change, destroy the 0b0z0ne layer!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
0bama has recruited individuals who are weak minded and those of questionable loyalty to this Country, among whom I include YOU, to act as his official or unofficial "truth squads".

Yes well paranoia runs deep in the Birther community. You think that everyone who doesn't swallow your nonsense is automatically in the pay of Obama.

34 posted on 02/21/2010 9:25:52 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

If you think you’re not weak-minded, then answer my challenge:

Taking this hypothetically (which you should be able to do, given that you have nothing to hide and are entirely confident in addressing this for the purposes of discussion), tell me how a poster who in fact was “in the pay of Obama” would behave that is different from the way you behave?


35 posted on 02/21/2010 9:31:58 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Hey you noble leftists. If what you are doing is worth anything, it should be worth saying out loud.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

36 posted on 02/21/2010 10:03:27 AM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Natural Born 54

I’ll take #1 with a couple of changes:

Non-Sequitur never leaves his key board (having a special combination desk chair/potty and his mommy brings him food down to the basement) and therefore never ever misses any thread about the, civil war, Southerners and the BC...


37 posted on 02/21/2010 10:17:23 AM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Non-Sequitur

The funny thing is that you are more obsessed with defending the BC than anyone that believes it has issues. But after all, you are a big attention whore, so who knows..........


38 posted on 02/21/2010 10:21:00 AM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Natural Born 54
Non-Sensiqueer ALWAYS pops up immediately to ridicule any questions concerning the eligibility of his boy, 0bamao, so it is apparent that he is always lurking in some manner. He may use a combination of 1,2 and 3, but I suspect he is a “self-appointed” member of 0bamao’s truth squads, as he never has a logical counter to any questions raised, or even good talking points, only nonsensical ridicule. I would expect the real propaganda pros to be able to at least present plausible arguments, but maybe I give them them way too much credit.
39 posted on 02/21/2010 10:29:49 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Pork Eating CRUSADER - FUBO! Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Obama uses presidential powers and over a million dollars in legal fees to lock up, of all things, his birth certificate, and you say that birthers can't find anything. Back to a million bucks? I've heard Birthers claim $2 million or $3 million or more.

Oh no -- it's not that much -- yet.

It's only a documented $1.5 million paid to the Perkins et al law firm.

Oh but that does not include what is paid directly to other law firms and of course the propaganda effort that you are involved in -- which may exceed that paid to the lawyers.

I take it all back -- that claim may be low, given the quantity of Obot propaganda that has been imported from the far reaches of Obamalalaland. BTW Is your job one of that was "created" by him or "saved" by him????

40 posted on 02/21/2010 10:49:41 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: mojitojoe

The civil war and Southerners, too? Is he a victim? Perhaps that is the source of the chip on his shoulder that led him to fall for all that hope and change stuff which in turn led him to his anti-birther obot job. Affirmative action at work?


41 posted on 02/21/2010 11:07:17 AM PST by Natural Born 54
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To: kyright

I would not classify myself as a “birther” but I do think the POS we call POTUS should release ALL of his documents and records, he needs to in the interest of transparency and truth. The truth, of course, is anathema to BO so we will never see his records. Why anyone would simply take the word of this a**hat is beyond me.


42 posted on 02/21/2010 11:11:05 AM PST by calex59
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To: Natural Born 54

Lincoln too. He is obsessed with Lincoln, hates Southerners and anything that has to do with the South. Those 2 things and the BC are his things. Oh secession, he flips out when anyone mentions that. He’s from Chicago, probably a pal of the Marxist Kenyan.
Check his past posts, pretty interesting. He’s a fly under the radar paid Obot imo.


43 posted on 02/21/2010 11:25:25 AM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: rawcatslyentist
We know more about Joe the Plumber than Barry the Usurper!

******

The pilot who slammed into the Austin, Texas IRS building the other day: We know more about him than we know about Obama's 1961 Hawaii birth certificate and Obama's birth hospital.

44 posted on 02/21/2010 11:47:04 AM PST by john mirse
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To: melancholy
Oh, yes, should we be afraid of union and communist-led riots threatening us if we dare to try legally and peacefully to uncover the ghost?

Ah, yes...I had someone point out to me (months ago) that there would be riots and blood in the streets if BO was ousted. Even all that *blood and guts image* they tried to paint didn't sway me one bit.

45 posted on 02/21/2010 11:48:41 AM PST by azishot (J.D. Hayworth...U.S. Senator FOR Arizona...http://www.jdforsenate.com/)
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To: mojitojoe

Best laugh I’ve had all day!!!


46 posted on 02/21/2010 11:51:08 AM PST by azishot (J.D. Hayworth...U.S. Senator FOR Arizona...http://www.jdforsenate.com/)
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To: 70th Division
Most Americans, according to the media, accept Obama’s alleged place of birth as Hawaii

ACCORDING TO THE MEDIA? OH please. Now that is a credible source.

*******

Myself, I am not only interested in whether Obama was or was not born in Hawaii, but I am also deeply interested to learn the name of the birth doctor and the name of the hospital on the 1961 Hawaii long form birth certificate.

Obviously, no one, not even the media, can accept or not accept a name of the birth doctor or a name of the birth hospital, because no one outside of Obama and Hawaii officials have seen Obama's long form birth certificate to verify such names.

So, until we see the 1961 long form birth certificate, the name of the birth doctor and the name of the birth hospital cannot be known.

Myself, I don't think there is any doctor name or hospital name on the long form birth certificate, and that is the reason Obama is spending thousands of dollars to desperately try to keep the long form birth certificate out of court.

47 posted on 02/21/2010 12:02:00 PM PST by john mirse
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Prior presidents not rquired to prove citizenship some point out.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Because the natural born status of previous presidents **self evident**!

Armies of citizens would have been honored to testify that they knew the parents, visited the mom and baby soon after birth, and watched the child grow to maturity.

Obama has been unable or unwilling to provide this high level of citizen testimony of his origins. Well?...If he can't have fellow citizens testify ( formally or informally) for him, then it is **REASONABLE** to ask for a paper trail.

48 posted on 02/21/2010 12:23:28 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: reasonisfaith
Taking this hypothetically (which you should be able to do, given that you have nothing to hide and are entirely confident in addressing this for the purposes of discussion), tell me how a poster who in fact was “in the pay of Obama” would behave that is different from the way you behave?

Well, I imagine that they'd be more subtle about it rather than being as obvious about finding Birther's as amusing as I do.

49 posted on 02/21/2010 12:32:32 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: mojitojoe

There are a lot of people out there who think that all Birthers are idiots. If that is true then you surely must be their king.


50 posted on 02/21/2010 12:36:12 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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