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Without a full birth certificate and school records, Article II eligibility indeterminable.

Posted on 02/24/2010 8:03:58 PM PST by capacommie

Now that the Hawaii Deputy Attorney General spokesperson has refused to corroborate Janice Fukino's statement that Obama was born in Hawaii, and Fukino has refused to abide Hawaii laws in providing a non-certified duplicate of the COLB which Obama already published in non-redacted form...

we do not know where he was born.

And also, without school records, which Obama refuses to provide, and without a birth certificate, we do not know if he's been in the country for 14 years total, or technically if he's reached the age of 35 (verified by certified documentation).

In short, Obama has not one single shred of evidence to prove he is eligible to be president. And his twice published admission against interest that he was born British is evidence that he is INeligible.

Obama's got nada.


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KEYWORDS: certifigate; dunham; hawaii; hawaiihatesamerica; hawaiiisevil; hawaiivsamerica; obama; soetoro

1 posted on 02/24/2010 8:03:58 PM PST by capacommie
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To: capacommie
Please define the term "admission against interest" and cite the examples you mention.

I'd like to know more...

2 posted on 02/24/2010 8:07:16 PM PST by OKSooner (NoMoBHO)
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To: capacommie

Let’s hope that at least Arizona has the cojones to pass some sort of a “show me your credentials” ballot law so that Zer0 has to at least fess up to his treason!


3 posted on 02/24/2010 8:07:49 PM PST by Noob1999 (LOOSE LIPS, SINK SHIPS)
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To: capacommie
Burden of proof?

Does Zer0 have to prove eligibility or do "birthers" have to prove ineligibility?

Or can we just take Pelosi out and keelhaul her?

4 posted on 02/24/2010 8:07:56 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Yes.


5 posted on 02/24/2010 8:08:55 PM PST by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: OKSooner

admission against interest
he admits he was born British, which is not in his interest of being eligible since a natural born citizen has no other nation-ties at birth than American

he published this on factcheck and fightthesmears


6 posted on 02/24/2010 8:10:51 PM PST by capacommie
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To: capacommie

Like with ‘anything’ regarding the past of Obama, nothing should be taken for granted or on face value. Both of his books by Obama’s own words can NOT be taken literally. They are nothing more then a facade, a mask of the true background and nature of Barack Obama, created to produce the Obama effect on whomever wants to believe in unicorns and forest fairies.

Too many inconsistencies in his stories, like when he stated he was a few months old when the Bay of Pigs happened, April 1961, when he was supposed to be born in Aug 1961.

Barack Hussein Obama is a total fraud.


7 posted on 02/24/2010 8:19:55 PM PST by syc1959
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To: capacommie

NADA?

He has one of these from every State.

http://www.sos.alabama.gov/downloads/election/2008/general/statecert-democraticparty-2008-08-29.pdf


8 posted on 02/24/2010 8:20:41 PM PST by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: KDD

yep, that’s nada
acorn-commie infused sos’s who didn’t look at any documentation, don’t even have a photocopy of anything

and if they have a copy of that forged colb that nobody in hawaii will vouch for, that’s a big nada

no school records, nada

and “certified” is a nebulous term


9 posted on 02/24/2010 8:25:08 PM PST by capacommie
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To: syc1959

I think he looks at least 50


10 posted on 02/24/2010 8:26:16 PM PST by capacommie
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To: capacommie
and if they have a copy of that forged colb that nobody in hawaii(except the Republican Governor of the State) will vouch for, that’s a big nada.
11 posted on 02/24/2010 8:32:26 PM PST by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: KDD

show us lingle’s statement then

Lingle’s office sends out a boilerplate letter noting that it would be illegal for an official to divulge the contents of a birth certificate and related records. It can safely be assumed that in order to verify that Obama was born there, Lingle would have to divulge the contents of his birth certificate. So, those who claim that she verified whether he was born there are in effect accusing her of breaking their laws.


12 posted on 02/24/2010 8:38:13 PM PST by capacommie
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To: capacommie
Having marveled at BUSH v GORE, I would have never thought that it could get better. But it has!! Let all 57 states enact the same legislation/
13 posted on 02/24/2010 8:38:47 PM PST by keving (We get the government we vote for)
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To: capacommie

I’m not going to argue the point. It just isn’t a hill I wish to stand on. I don’t care for Obama. I hope you are right and if not...I hope some other scandal brings him down. There is really no way to bring him down short of impeachment and removal from office by both houses of congress. The separation clause pretty much negates any action the Judiciary Branch may take against the Executive.


14 posted on 02/24/2010 9:04:19 PM PST by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: capacommie
The Kos COLB for 0bummer.

BC of one of the Nordyke twins born the day after 0bummer.


15 posted on 02/24/2010 9:08:43 PM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid! ... And they call themselves Progressives.)
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To: capacommie

As I previously posted:

“The state health department in Hawaii did produce a “short form” birth certificate for Obama, ....”

Absolutely false statement ...

An OBAMA friendly WEBSITE has produced a SCAN of a document called the short form .... who the hell “produces” documentation needed by posting a SCAN ?

Try that with the DMV.

Or little league.

Where is the original piece of paper? Why, after two years, are we still asking for it???

—— McCain stood up in Congress and handed his original, on a piece of paper, around to everyone who wanted to see it. Why can’t and won’t Bambi do the same???

Why can’t Obama do the same, when he evens says in his ghost written book “I found my birth certificate in a pile of old papers”. Lose it? Somewhere in the $3,000,000 mansion that Tony Rezko, convicted felon, bought for him???

Why can’t he, and won’t he, just hand an original piece of paper to Chris Matthews, or someone else, to hand to and show to , everyone?

Hiding behind a SCAN? Not very Presidential ...

So “Hawaii has produced a certificate” is a laughable mis-statement ...

And while we’re at it:

The SCAN shown on the internet is a Certification of Birth, NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE, a SUMMARY which can and perhaps has been changed many times, as O was adopted and then sent back to the USA by his momma.

The original Birth Certificate is called the Hawaiian LONG FORM -— (there are 4 different versions and his CERTIFICATION seems to be usually used for special cases such as after adoptions).

which is why you see on FR “Free the Long Form”.

No scan or anything else of a Long Form BC citing hospital and doctors has ever been produced ———— or scanned. Why?

**********No witness has ever come forward -— no one who was in Hawaii in 1961, NO ONE has ever come forth and said that they were at the birth or afterwards, with statements or photos, ********no doctor, no nurse, no neighbor, no friend -— only people in Seattle and Kenya have made statements about O’s birth.

So, as of today, 2-2010, no one knows the hospital or the doctor’s name since the Long Form has never been produced.

Even the neighbor has said “Gee, I didn’t know Obama or his mother ever lived next door”. Must be invisible.

Any person with common sense knows that this guy doesn’t wave his paper long form or even short form birth certificate over and around his head cuz he can’t. Why can’t he? No one knows for certain.

Two announcements in the newspapers: these are produced automatically when someone files notice of a birth with the Department in Hawaii. No proof needs to be filed, it seems it even could have been done over the phone and with just one grandparent’s statement. Then the data was given to the newspapers. This was done since the grandparents wanted Bambi to be an American, which Hawaii allowed to be done due to its unusual and unique laws letting people born elsewhere still register in Hawaii. It’s not a “conspiracy” as that horse’s ass Matthews said - it’s just common sense. An American birth registration is valued very highly and gets you all sorts of travel and other benefits.

*********Does everyone know that Obama’s Short Form serial number is “out of order”? That his number comes 10 numbers BEFORE the twins born and registered 3 days AFTER Obama’s “date of birth”???

How could that happen? Doesn’t the Department registering births handle them sequentially as the dates and data are submitted???

No one finds this odd?

Here is another’s opinion:

Sources who tracked the investigation tell Newsmax that the main target of the breach was the Obama passport file, and that the contractor accessed the file in order to “cauterize” the records of potentially embarrassing information.

“They looked at the McCain and Clinton files as well to create confusion,” one knowledgeable source told Newsmax. “But this was basically an attempt to cauterize the Obama file.”

At the time of the breach, Brennan was working as an unpaid adviser to the Obama campaign.

Chuck Feney says:

The issue that Soetoro / Obama is running from is his mother’s renunciation of his American citizenship when she married Lolo Soetoro.

Soetoro / Obama was an Indonesian citizen and never reclaimed his American citizenship in the legally allotted time frame to do so.

Add to this issue his Occidental College records of admittance as a FOREIGN student and it is clear that the Kenyan birth is a straw dog.
It just goes on and on.

I wonder if we’ll ever know the true story, as the true believer’s continue to shout and scream and cover-up and excuse upon each and every new revelation.

The insults to us alone are overwhelming.


16 posted on 02/24/2010 11:39:14 PM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: LucyT; STARWISE

Ping.


17 posted on 02/24/2010 11:40:35 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: capacommie
George Bush birth doctor and name of birth hospital.

Does anyone know the name of George Bush,the son, birth doctor and the name of his birth hospital?

How about Clinton?

If you don't know, do you know who we can contact to find out? Thanks.

18 posted on 02/25/2010 2:04:29 AM PST by john mirse
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To: capacommie
Obama: Who was his birth doctor at Kapiolani Hospital, where Obama and his supporters claim that he was born?

Nobody seems to know and Obama isn't telling.

On the other hand, who was President Bush,the son, birth doctor?

Below is information about President Bush's birth doctor that I found at World Net Daily that I thought posters here might find interesting:

"President Clinton was born in a hospital in Arkansas that has since burned down and is the only hospital birthplace of a president currently displaying a marker.

The third president born in a medical facility, George W. Bush, was welcomed into the world in 1946 at the Grace–New Haven Community Hospital – later renamed the Yale–New Haven Hospital – in New Haven, Conn.

No plaques or monuments mark the hospital as Bush's birthplace, though the communications office does have a 2-page information packet on the birth and the history of the hospital at the time, including a biographical paragraph on the doctor who attended the 43rd president's birth.

"Margaret (Maggie) Tyler, M.D., delivered the president," the packet explains. "Dr. Tyler was a member of the New Haven Hospital and then the Grace–New Haven Hospital medical staff in the department of obstetrics and gynecology from about 1922-1949. She served a residency in obstetrics at New Haven Hospital from 1919-21 and joined the staff in 1922 as an associate obstetrician."

19 posted on 02/25/2010 2:34:51 AM PST by john mirse
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To: KDD
THE Secretary of States trusted Howard “Weenie” Dean .... the process of proving Obama a citizen was left up to the DNC same with McCain with the GOP. And for the record is "INSANE".

McCain was attacked for being born to an AMERICAN Couple (both citizens of the USA) while on a MILITARY BASE and his father was serving in the US Military. McCain proved his citizenship....

So, why doesn't OBAMA have to rise up to the same standards and prove himself and where he was born and who he was born too?

20 posted on 02/25/2010 3:35:11 AM PST by Paige ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," Edmund Burke)
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To: hennie pennie; justiceseeker93
Now that the Hawaii Deputy Attorney General spokesperson has refused to corroborate Janice Fukino's statement that Obama was born in Hawaii, and Fukino has refused to abide Hawaii laws in providing a non-certified duplicate of the COLB which Obama already published in non-redacted form...

we do not know where he was born.

And also, without school records, which Obama refuses to provide, and without a birth certificate, we do not know if he's been in the country for 14 years total, or technically if he's reached the age of 35 (verified by certified documentation).

In short, Obama has not one single shred of evidence to prove he is eligible to be president. And his twice published admission against interest that he was born British is evidence that he is INeligible.

Obama's got nada.

21 posted on 02/25/2010 4:21:25 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: KDD

Why do you keep posting that the Governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, vouched for the Obama COLB when it is not true?


22 posted on 02/25/2010 5:08:35 AM PST by Jude in WV
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To: john mirse

——”Does anyone know the name of George Bush,the son, birth doctor and the name of his birth hospital?”——

Well, you could try the “Texas State Library and Archives Commission.”

They show a listing for, I assume, Bush’s birth certificate in their archives:

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/tslac/40090/tsl-40090.html

BTW - Bush was born in Yale New Haven Hospital - New Haven, CT.

Cheers


23 posted on 02/25/2010 6:06:44 AM PST by DoctorBulldog
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To: Jude in WV; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; pissant; LucyT; Beckwith; BP2; patriot08; Candor7; george76; ...
While it may be true that RINO Governor Lingle never vouched for the Obama COLB, it is not difficult to see that Lingle is likely behind the machinations of Fukima and Okubo in obfuscating the content of the records in possession of the Hawaii DOH. After all, Fukima is a Lingle appointee, so absent any indication to the contrary, she takes orders from Lingle.

Lingle is sworn to uphold the Constitution of the United States, which takes precedence over Obama's alleged right to confidentiality in his his birth record which Hawaii state law is claimed to give him.

24 posted on 02/25/2010 2:43:58 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: MissTickly; butterdezillion; All
Please see my post # 24.
25 posted on 02/25/2010 2:47:28 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: capacommie
Without a full birth certificate and school records, Article II eligibility indeterminable.

Nonsense.

It's 97% certain that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. There's a 40% chance he was born at the Kapi'olani Medical Center, a 40% chance he was born at the Queens Hospital, and a 17% chance he was born at home (you can supply your own numbers). No Honolulu hospital has a record of Obama or mother ever being there. There's also a 2% chance that Obama was born in Kenya, and a 1% chance he was born in Vancouver, BC. Wherever he was born, he had one American citizen parent and one Kenyan citizen parent. An Indonesian adoption could further complicate Obama's status.

At birth, Barack Obama gets his citizenship via the 14th Amendment (assuming Hawaii):

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Obama also has his citizenship defined via the Immigration and Nationality Act -- "by statute."

Sec. 305. [8 U.S.C. 1405] Persons born in Hawaii:

A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.

At birth, Barack Obama was also a Kenyan citizen and a subject of Great Britain:

"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

The implications of a Soetoro adoption:

Under Indonesian law, when a male acknowledges a child as his son, it deems the son, in this case Soetoro/Obama, an Indonesian State citizen. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 62 of 1958 concerning Immigration Affairs and Indonesian Civil Code (Kitab Undang-undang Hukum Perdata) (KUHPer) (Burgerlijk Wetboek voor Indonesie).

The implications of Kenyan or British Columbian birth:

Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1405] Nationals and Citizens of the United States at Birth:

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

This case meets the test of jus soli -- born in the USA (97%)
This case fails the test of jus sanguinis -- one or both parents are NOT US citizens
This person is NOT a "natural born" citizen and is NOT eligible to serve as Commander-in-Chief.

Be sure to click this link:

The circumstances of Obama life, and how they affect citizenship


26 posted on 02/25/2010 2:56:14 PM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Beckwith

Hi Beckwith!
I don’t disagree with anything you wrote...he’s ineligible per his British citizenship.

However what I’m getting at is a far simpler approach, he can’t even prove he’s 35 or been a resident for 14 years.

So he has nothing to prove he IS eligible, and his admissions to prove he IS NOT eligible.
Remember, the bots were always keeping focus onto the BC, but now that HI won’t vouch for it, they have absolutely nothing.


27 posted on 02/25/2010 2:59:19 PM PST by capacommie
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To: justiceseeker93; LucyT; Beckwith; mojitojoe; Fred Nerks
Oh yes, here we have propaganda set to discourage all who want the Constitution to apply. Buahahahahahahaa.

Too late, its now on the move, has legs, and is unstoppable.Even AnneCoulter is talking about it.The Arizina legislature ius talking about it.

Only a a matter of time.Obama should be drawing up his resignation speech.He can use Nixon's as a template.

28 posted on 02/25/2010 3:25:25 PM PST by Candor7 (((The effective weapons against Oba- Fascism are ridicule, derision , truth (.Member NRA)))
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To: Candor7

Except he won’t be able say that he isn’t a criminal.


29 posted on 02/25/2010 3:41:35 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Candor7

He’s behind schedule IMO. What happened to the ‘created crisis’ that was going to ‘test him’ as per the statement made by the idiot VP?

He’ll only resign if he can’t get his ‘created crisis’ off the ramp quick enough to destroy the Constitution via martial or emergency law.

What’s going to come first? Exposure or Chaos...or a combination of both?


30 posted on 02/25/2010 3:45:39 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks
Obama will go for the chaos, as soon as he hears the demand for his COLB coming. He is a man with a plan.
31 posted on 02/25/2010 4:43:51 PM PST by Candor7 (A)
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To: KDD
The Houses of Congress, who have the Constitutional power to remove presidents from office, wisely chose to delagate that power to the District Court of Washington, D.C. in cases of a possible usurper to the office of the Presidency. There a president can be sued, under Quo Warranto, to prove his/her eligibility.

There were two cases in the 19th century when U.S.Senators who were not eligible had to be removed from office. This method, Quo Warranto, was later chosen as it would remove cases from Congress where political considerations would interfere in a decision.

32 posted on 02/25/2010 4:46:29 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: Candor7

That’s what I am afraid of. He will NOT go quietly in the face of exposure, and he cannot afford to lose an election (one he cannot possibly stand for, if a birth certificate is a requirement for eligibility)if he resigns, he leaves the door open to investigation of his origin, something he can control NOW but not once he has vacated the post that provides the power to control and conceal...his brief from his marxist/islamofascist handlers is SOCIALISM with a wide-open door for ISLAM.

What’s he gunna do?

Maybe it all depends on how much blood the DNC is prepared to have on their hands...


33 posted on 02/25/2010 4:58:58 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: capacommie
I think his senate schedule and details of law license is also off limits. Must be some whopper of a secret.
34 posted on 02/25/2010 5:08:29 PM PST by opentalk
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To: opentalk

is=are


35 posted on 02/25/2010 5:09:23 PM PST by opentalk
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To: Fred Nerks

Yeah, I’d forgotten about that “crisis” that would “test him”.


36 posted on 02/25/2010 5:21:26 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: capacommie
Re: “However what I’m getting at is a far simpler approach, he can’t even prove he’s 35 or been a resident for 14 years.”

This isn't a zero sum game.

Lots of folks on this forum have a pet theory or two, and see that as the only or best approach.

Since we don't know which straw will break the camel's back, I like to encourage all to pursue whatever tack they feel will work for them.

Obama will not be brought down by a single stroke, but by the death of a thousand cuts.

37 posted on 02/26/2010 2:52:20 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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