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Pennsauken (NJ) works to discourage 'white flight' (Tax base apparently fleeing as well)
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 1-26-10 | James Osborne

Posted on 02/26/2010 10:03:34 PM PST by launcher

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To: launcher

“People were asking why I, a black man, wanted more white people living here. It wasn’t an easy sell.”

In other words, hatred of whitey is the default position in black communities? Hello, Mayor Schoolbus Chocolate City Nagin and the “Rev.” Jeremiah Wright.


41 posted on 02/27/2010 3:31:50 PM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: ichabod1

“White folks just don’t live like that when they aren’t forced to multiculturate”

Really? Where have been all your life?


42 posted on 02/27/2010 3:49:09 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: launcher

Spoken by a black man:

“”When a town gets below 50 percent white, it makes it very difficult for the town to maintain services,” Adams said.”

I’ve lived it myself.


43 posted on 02/27/2010 4:41:10 PM PST by wardaddy (I'm waiting for Epic Beard Man the movie.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Not politically correct to say so

The truth is not racist. Just ignore those who would ignore the truth to preen about how righteous they are.

44 posted on 02/27/2010 4:42:14 PM PST by wardaddy (I'm waiting for Epic Beard Man the movie.)
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To: AppyPappy; count-your-change

Crime stats for poor blacks and poor whites are not even close.

My ancestors were dirt poor but not predators and their communities were intact.

I grew up in a lower middle class neighborhood in the 1960s in the largely black town of Jackson Miss, median home price in my area was around 12,000 bucks for 1100 sq feet and most folks made around 100/week

Yet I could go to a black area slightly poorer and their crime rates were much much higher though back then it was safe for me as a white child to go there freely much different from today.

We had zero crime ...nada.

The statistics do not lie. All poorer folks do not commit crime at the same rate. Not even in the same ballpark.


45 posted on 02/27/2010 4:50:06 PM PST by wardaddy (I'm waiting for Epic Beard Man the movie.)
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To: trumandogz

I haven’t seen those blacks going to suburbs because libtards are moving into downtown neighborhoods.

They are going to other hoods or other section 8 housing.

It’s not like they are going to Westchester county from Bed Sty.

If you don’t think blacks moving into a white neighborhood brings down property values and increases crime then I’m not sure you can be approached with anything but the most selective realities of life in the US today.


46 posted on 02/27/2010 4:53:14 PM PST by wardaddy (I'm waiting for Epic Beard Man the movie.)
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To: count-your-change; ichabod1

I’ve been inm Dixie most of my life living in large black environs and I lived in Haiti, Jamaica and West Africa.

I’ll put my experience about what it’s like to live like as a white man in a black community with anyone on this forum.

So fire away. Just ask.

And give me one example of a white community that has crime rates like a black ghetto.

You might find one if you look real hard...some crazed out meth hollow somewhere.


47 posted on 02/27/2010 4:57:36 PM PST by wardaddy (I'm waiting for Epic Beard Man the movie.)
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To: wardaddy

“Crime stats for poor blacks and poor whites are not even close.”

Maybe you should post the stats


48 posted on 02/27/2010 5:02:40 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

I’m at my aunt’s and on her mac and do not know how to copy and paste.

You can just google crime stats by race or “do poor whites commit crime at the same rate as blacks?”

Steve Sailor has an article on this on malkin.

or google worst neighborhoods by zip code

but having been poor white once I already know the answers


49 posted on 02/27/2010 5:46:30 PM PST by wardaddy (I'm waiting for Epic Beard Man the movie.)
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To: wardaddy

“So fire away. Just ask”

Give me your verifiable figures, the stats on race, income,crime rates, etc.


50 posted on 02/27/2010 6:23:30 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

I doubt that much building has been taking place in Pennsauken in the last fifty years. The lots were already, nothing but postage stamps, mostly small working class homes built in the twenties.


51 posted on 02/27/2010 7:51:35 PM PST by Eva (Obama bin Lyin)
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To: launcher
Pennsauken, like so many other post-WWII Lower Middle Class suburbs in Camden County, possesses an aging housing stock on poor lots, an aging population, as the kids move farther out (of state, in many cases), and relatively cheap housing due to lack of demand from more affluent home buyers.

I tend to find that lower-middle class areas tend to have, at best, two generations before they deteriorate into slums/ghettos.

52 posted on 02/27/2010 7:55:50 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: erman; trumandogz
Where?

Harlem, much of Brooklyn, Queens (I live here), Boston, the Bay Area (SF and Oakland) the U district of DC, Los Angeles, the near west side of Chicago, etc.

What I see in the above metros is the tendency for blacks to move to older suburbs or down south.

53 posted on 02/27/2010 7:59:19 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: wardaddy; trumandogz
It’s not like they are going to Westchester county from Bed Sty.

No, they are moving to Orlando, Atlanta, Dallas, and Houston, among other locales. Those who are leaving Harlem (which lost its black majority), Fort Greene (which should be "bleached" with the next decade, BedStuy is next), but staying in metro NYC are either moving to older, lower middle class suburbs (Valley Stream, Elmont, Union, NJ, etc) or going out to the Poconos.

54 posted on 02/27/2010 8:02:04 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: ichabod1

The crime was bad in Pennsauken when it was all white. My grandfather made brass boxes to fit over all the door handles and locks to keep theives from breaking the glass in the doors and reaching down to open the locks. He died in fifties and by then most of the people in the neighborhood were senior citizens that had lived there for thirty or forty years. The younger families were mostly white trash. This is a neighborhood that borders on the worst part of Camden and the Delaware river. You drive down the road by the river and you are right at the Benjamin Franklin bridge, where the worst tenements in Camden were. This has little to do with race and everything to do crime.


55 posted on 02/27/2010 8:03:44 PM PST by Eva (Obama bin Lyin)
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To: Eva
An acquaintance of mine from Cherry Hill used to refer to Gloucester City as "white Camden." Its not quite that bad, but you still don't want to live there.

It really saddens me to see block after block of abandoned red brick townhouses in Camden that would sell in the millions in the West Village or Brooklyn.

56 posted on 02/27/2010 8:07:35 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Eva
For your edification and interest:

Pennsauken, New Jersey Census and Community Profile

PENNSAUKEN CENSUS DATA CENTER
PENNSAUKEN GENERAL POPULATION

Total Population in Pennsauken, NJ
At the time of the most recent United States Census Survey, the number of people in Pennsauken, NJ was 35,737.

Pennsauken Male Population
At the time of the last full census survey, the number of men in Pennsauken was 17,116, which represents 47.9 percent of the total for the community (The national average is 49.10%).

Male Population, Married in Pennsauken, NJ
There are an estimated 7,162 married men in the town. 55.4 percent of men over 15 years old in Pennsauken are married, compared to the national average of 56.70%.

Female Population
The estimated female population in Pennsauken is 18,621 which is 52.1 of the total population (Compared to the national average of 50.90%).

Female Population, Married in Pennsauken, New Jersey
There are an estimated 7,206 married women in the community. 49.3 percent of females over the age of 15 are married, compared to the national average of 52.10%.
AGE

Median Age in Pennsauken, NJ
The median age of people living in Pennsauken, NJ was 36.1 at the time of the last full census survey. (The United States average at the time was 35.3)

At that time, the number of people under the age of 5 living in Pennsauken was 2,212. There were 25,925 people above the age of 18, which represents 72.5 percent of the entire population (compared to the national average of 74.30% ). 14.2 percent of the population (5,065) in the community was 65 years and over, compared to 12.40% nationally.
RACE

One Race Percent in Pennsauken, NJ
At the time of the last census survey, the number of people of one race in Pennsauken, NJ was 34,841.

White Population in Pennsauken, NJ
The estimated White population in the Pennsauken community is 21,479, which is 60.1 percent of the total population (The U.S. average is 75.10%).

Black Population in Pennsauken, New Jersey
The estimated Black/African American population is 8,641, which is 24.2 percent of the total population in town (The U.S. average is 12.30%).

American Indian and Alaska Native Population in Pennsauken, NJ
In 2000, the number of American Indians or Alaska Natives in Pennsauken, NJ was 124.

Asian Population in Pennsauken, New Jersey
At the last survey, the total Asian population in the community was 1,636.

Native Hawaiian and other Pacific Islander Population in Pennsauken, NJ
The number of Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islanders living in Pennsauken was an estimated 7.

Other/Multiple Races
The number of residents identified as “some other race” was 2,954, while those of “two or more races” was 896 at the time of the last census.

Hispanic Population
The Hispanic population in the Pennsauken community was 5,126, or 14.3 percent of the total population (compared to the national average of 12.50% percent).
HOUSEHOLD CHARACTERISTICS

Household Population in Pennsauken, NJ
The household population number in Pennsauken was 35,064.

Group Quarters Population in Pennsauken, NJ
Group Quarters population in the community was 673.

Average Household Size in Pennsauken, NJ
The average household size in Pennsauken is 2.83 (The average household size in the United States is 2.59).

Average Family Size
The average family size in the community is 3.34 (The average family size in the United States is 3.14).
HOUSING

Total Housing Units in Pennsauken, NJ
At the time of the last census survey, there were 12,945 total housing units in Pennsauken.

The number of occupied housing units was 12,389, or 95.7 of the total units in town. Of these, 9,963 were owner-occupied (80.4), and 2,426 were renter-occupied (19.6, compared to the national average of 33.80%). There were also 556 vacant homes in Pennsauken at the time of the last complete survey.

Median Home Values in Pennsauken, New Jersey
The total number of single family, owner occupied homes in the community was 9,462, with a median value in dollars of 95,300.

Monthly Owner Costs in Pennsauken, NJ
For homes with a mortgage, average monthly owner costs were $1,120 (national average was $1,088). For homes without a mortgage in Pennsauken, average costs per month were $462 (national average was $295).
EDUCATION

High School Graduate or higher
At the time of the last survey, 17,746 people in the community had a high school degree, or 77.2 of the population (compared to the national average of 80.40%).

Bachelor's Degree or Higher in Pennsauken, New Jersey
3,536 people in Pennsauken also had a Bachelor’s degree or higher, which represented 15.4 of the total population (National average was 24.40%).
MISCELLANEOUS

Civilian Veterans in Pennsauken, NJ
The number of Civilian Veterans in Pennsauken was 3,578, or 13.8 percent of the total population (National average is 12.70%).

Disability Status in Pennsauken, NJ
In 2000, there were 6,414 people in Pennsauken, NJ listed as disabled.

Foreign Born in Pennsauken, NJ
At the time of the last complete survey, there were 6,734 people in Pennsauken who spoke a language other than English at home. This represented 20.1 of the total population, compared to the national average of 17.90%.
LABOR STATISTICS

Percentage In Labor Force in Pennsauken, New Jersey
There were 16,894 in the labor force in Pennsauken at the time of the last complete survey. This represented 62.7 of the total population, compared to the national average of 63.90%. Mean Travel Time to Work in minutes
From the most recent complete survey, the average commute time to work for local residents in Pennsauken was 24.1 minutes, compared to the national average of 25.5 minutes.

Median Household Income in Pennsauken, NJ
The median household income in the community at the time of the last survey was $47,538. The median household income in the U.S. was $41,994.

Median Family Income in Pennsauken, NJ
In the last complete census survey, the median family income in the community was $52,760. Median family income in the U.S. was 50,046.

Per Capita Income in Pennsauken, New Jersey
Per capita income in Pennsauken in the last full census was 19,004. Per capita income in the U.S. was 21,587.

Families below poverty level
According to the most recent survey,families living below the poverty line in Pennsauken numbered 562, or 6.1 percent of the population. The percentage of families in America living below the poverty line was 9.20%.

Individuals below the poverty level in Pennsauken, NJ
Individuals living below the poverty line in the community was 2,807, or 8 percent . The percentage of individuals living beneath the poverty level in the country was 12.40%.

57 posted on 02/27/2010 10:55:04 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Clemenza
Harlem, much of Brooklyn, Queens (I live here), Boston, the Bay Area (SF and Oakland) the U district of DC, Los Angeles, the near west side of Chicago, etc.

wow, I didn't realize that people were flocking to those areas of the country. I think I can resist the temptation to leave the suburbs of college station, Texas for Brooklyn, queens, bay area of Oakland, west side of Chicago ...... But that's just me. That's what makes this a great country. I can choose to live here and you or others can live in those up and coming areas.

58 posted on 02/28/2010 3:38:14 AM PST by erman (Our President-A modest man, who has much to be modest about.)
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To: erman
wow, I didn't realize that people were flocking to those areas of the country

Yep, and many of these hipsters and yuppies interestingly enough come from places like Ohio, Oregon, and other parts of the country.

There is a reason why you can't even get into the ghetto (ie Jamaica, East New York) for under $300K in NYC. Housing demand is high, and the land is limited. Rent control also has the unintended effect of keeping rents high, so the only reason we have any poor people here is due to subsidized rents.

59 posted on 02/28/2010 9:20:16 AM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Clemenza

Here in Nashville, they are already south. They have to move to another hood or to another sec 8 housing.

They can’t afford middle class burbs since they sold their hood homes a dump or they were just renters.

I actually saw here in the Waverly-Melrose area a sec 8 get torn down and replaced by nice condos for she men and their alpha-wives.

Kids today have this fantasy about urban living..lol...as did I once.

I love leaving way out now....I’d prefer to be even further out.

Sounds like more whitelandias up north...big change from my day when it was still Beam-Koch era/aftermath...gritty


60 posted on 02/28/2010 9:40:20 AM PST by wardaddy (I'm waiting for Epic Beard Man the movie.)
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