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Got My 2010 Census Today
MsLady | 3/1/2010 | MsLady

Posted on 03/01/2010 12:49:41 PM PST by MsLady

Ok, so I come home from wallie world today to find my census hanging on my door. I opened it knowing what I would find and answered only How many people were living or staying in this house, apartment, or mobile home on April 1, 2010?

The rest I just said many bad words to. Got flustered and decided I'd wait till the last minute to send it back. Knowing full well, that someone working for the census is probably going to come back. Probably not knowing anything about the constitution. So I want to be ready. Understanding that this person is just trying to do a job and get paid. So now that I've gotten my anger out and I'm calmer, I would like some feedback please.

By the way, in case you haven't received yours, here are the questions, minus the first one.

2. Were there any additional people staying here April 1, 2010 that you did not include in Question 1?

3. Is this house, apartment, or mobile home - x all that apply. -Children, such as newborn babies or foster children. -Relatives, such as adult children, cousins, or in-laws -Non relatives, such as roommates or live-in baby sitters -People staying here temporarily -No additional people

4. Is this house, apartment, or mobile home, x one box or all that apply. -Owned by you or someone in this household with a mortgage or loan? Include home equity loans. -Owned by you or someone in this houshold free and clear (without a mortgage or loan)? - Rented? - Occupied without payment of rent?

4. What is your telephone number? We may call if we don't understand an answer.

5. Please provide information for each person living here. Start with a person living here who owns or rents this house, apartment, or mobile home. If the owner or renter lives somewhere else, start with any adult lving h ere. This will be Person 1. What is Person 1's name?

6. What is Person 1's sex?

7. What is Person 1's age and what is Person 1's date of birth?

8. Is Person 1 of Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin?

9. What is Person 1's race?

10. Does Person 1 sometimes live or stay somewhere else? If more people were counted in Question1, continue with Person 2. You have to answer all the questions for each person living with you.

The Apostolics living in the area are going to be really happy about this one. My dad-in-laws neighbor has 23 kids.


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1 posted on 03/01/2010 12:49:41 PM PST by MsLady
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To: MsLady

How can you fill out any of it before 4/1/10?

Things could change between now and then.


2 posted on 03/01/2010 12:52:01 PM PST by green pastures (Cynicism-- it's not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: MsLady

is decline to state an option on the racial questions?


3 posted on 03/01/2010 12:52:20 PM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: MsLady
9. What is Person 1's race?

The 400 meter hurdles?
4 posted on 03/01/2010 12:54:08 PM PST by green pastures (Cynicism-- it's not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: Mount Athos

According to my understanding of the Constitution, you only have to answer how many people are living at your residence. That’s it.


5 posted on 03/01/2010 12:54:53 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: green pastures

Very true!!


6 posted on 03/01/2010 12:55:17 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: Mount Athos

You don’t have to. When they ask for my ‘race’ I think I’m gonna put down either the “Firecracker 500” or the big NASCAR jobbie that they have at Talladega every year.....no sweat!


7 posted on 03/01/2010 12:56:41 PM PST by Gaffer ("Profling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: green pastures

lol...good one!!! It does give 14 choices right below the question.


8 posted on 03/01/2010 12:57:27 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: MsLady

Are there any legal ramifications if these are not filled out or are filled with bogus answers?


9 posted on 03/01/2010 12:57:47 PM PST by lesko
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To: MsLady

QUESTION #8 is very suspicious! Looks like Bambi is trying to figure out how many illegal votes he can count on this election!


10 posted on 03/01/2010 12:59:14 PM PST by blondee123 (Illinois ELECT Adam Kinzinger - http://www.electadam.com/)
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To: MsLady

I’m not as paranoid as some. Answer what you are comfortable answering and leave the rest. These folks aren’t trying to rip you off.


11 posted on 03/01/2010 12:59:55 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: lesko

This is what I did last time and no there isn’t anything they can do except maybe hollow threats. I would not use bogus answers at all. I am just putting the number of people in the household according to the Constitution, which is the law of the land.


12 posted on 03/01/2010 1:00:07 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: green pastures
9. What is Person 1's race?

The 400 meter hurdles?

Good one, I think 4 man relay is an option too!

13 posted on 03/01/2010 1:00:14 PM PST by blondee123 (Illinois ELECT Adam Kinzinger - http://www.electadam.com/)
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To: green pastures
9. What is Person 1's race?

It is accepted theory that ALL humans immigrated from Africa. I always say that I am African-American on surveys, which is factually true, but I am as white as snow.

14 posted on 03/01/2010 1:00:28 PM PST by HospiceNurse
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To: MsLady

Received the following on email through DoD channels:

WARNING: 2010 Census Cautions from the Better Business Bureau

Be Cautious About Giving Info to Census Workers by Susan Johnson

With the U.S. Census process beginning, the Better Business Bureau (BBB) advises people to be cooperative, but cautious, so as not to become a victim of fraud or identity theft. The first phase of the 2010 U.S. Census is under way as workers have begun verifying the addresses of households across the country. Eventually, more than 140,000 U.S. Census workers will count every person in the United States and will gather information about every person living at each address including name, age, gender, race, and other relevant data.

The big question is - how do you tell the difference between a U.S. Census worker and a con artist? BBB offers the following advice:

** If a U.S. Census worker knocks on your door, they will have a badge, a handheld device, a Census Bureau canvas bag, and a confidentiality notice. Ask to see their identification and their badge before answering their questions. However, you should never invite anyone you don’t know into your home.

** Census workers are currently only knocking on doors to verify address information.

Do not give your Social Security number, credit card or banking information to anyone, even if they claim they need it for the U.S. Census.

REMEMBER, NO MATTER WHAT THEY ASK, YOU REALLY ONLY NEED TO TELL THEM HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE AT YOUR ADDRESS.

While the Census Bureau might ask for basic financial information, such as a salary range, YOU DON’T HAVE TO ANSWER ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT YOUR FINANCIAL SITUATION.

The Census Bureau will not ask for Social Security, bank account, or credit card numbers, nor will employees solicit donations. Any one asking for that information is NOT with the Census Bureau.

AND REMEMBER, THE CENSUS BUREAU HAS DECIDED NOT TO WORK WITH ACORN ON GATHERING THIS INFORMATION.. No ACORN worker should approach you saying he/she is with the Census Bureau.

Eventually, Census workers may contact you by telephone, mail, or in person at home. However, the Census Bureau will not contact you by Email, so be on the lookout for Email scams impersonating the Census.


15 posted on 03/01/2010 1:02:07 PM PST by ScottinVA (Glad to see Demonic Unhinged (DU) highlights and attacks my FR comments!)
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To: MsLady
Re: Question 10 "...You have to answer all the questions for each person living with you. "

No, you don't have to.

16 posted on 03/01/2010 1:02:26 PM PST by alancarp (Calling all states: Reduce the cost of doing business and jobs will flock to your doors.)
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To: goseminoles

It’s not about paranoia, it’s about government intrusion. They keep taking more and more liberties and more and more freedom that is not there’s to take, and as long as we let them, they will keep doing it.


17 posted on 03/01/2010 1:03:31 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: MsLady

9. What is Person 1’s race?

3 legged race with person not living here on 1 April 2010....


18 posted on 03/01/2010 1:04:39 PM PST by G Larry (DNC is comprised of REGRESSIVES!)
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To: MsLady
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: MONDAY, MARCH 1, 2010 CB10-CN.21
Contact: Public Information Office
301-763-3691
e-mail:

Press Kit

Census Takers Begin Hand Delivering 2010 Census Questionnaires to 12 Million Addresses

About 56,000 census workers today began hand delivering 2010 Census questionnaires to roughly 12 million addresses across the nation, mostly in rural areas where people do not receive mail at the same location as their residence. Most of nation's 120 million households, about 90 percent of the U.S. population, should look for their 10-question forms to arrive by mail mid-March.

While the majority of areas covered by this operation are rural, the Census Bureau also is delivering forms to Gulf Coast areas affected by Hurricane Katrina to ensure everyone is included in the once-a-decade count. Census takers will deliver 2010 Census questionnaires directly to each residence in these areas, leaving a form packaged in a plastic bag at the home's main door. Residents are encouraged to fill out and mail back their census forms — using the enclosed pre-paid envelope — as soon as possible.

“Regardless of whether your census form gets dropped off at your front door or you receive it within a few weeks in your mailbox, it's important that you fill it out and mail it back as soon as possible,” said Census Bureau Director Robert M. Groves. “With only 10 questions, the 2010 Census should only take about 10 minutes to complete.”

In 2000, about 72 percent of the population mailed back their census forms — halting a three-decade decline in the national mail participation rate. Mailing back the forms save taxpayers money, as it reduces the number of census takers that must go door-to-door to follow up with households that failed to do so. The Census Bureau saves about $85 million in operational costs for every percentage point increase in the national mail response rate.

“It costs us just 42 cents in a postage paid envelope when households mail back their 2010 Census forms,” Groves said. “The Census Bureau will spend about $25 per person if we have to go out and knock on the doors of households that don't mail them back.”

The Census Bureau is urging everyone to take 10 minutes to fill out their census forms and mail them back. Starting March 22, visitors to the 2010 Census Web site will be able to track how well their communities are participating in the census on a daily basis. Communities will even be able to embed a Web-based tool on their own Web sites that automatically updates the daily rates. An interactive Google-based map is now online that allows visitors to find out how well their communities did in the 2000 Census. The Census Bureau is challenging all communities to improve their 2000 mail participation rates in 2010.

All census responses are confidential. Answers are protected by law and cannot be shared with anyone. The Census Bureau takes extreme measures to protect the identity of individuals and businesses. By law, the Census Bureau cannot share respondents' individually identifiable answers with anyone, including tribal housing authorities, other federal agencies and law enforcement entities.

ABOUT THE 2010 CENSUS

The 2010 Census is a count of everyone living in the United States and is mandated by the U.S. Constitution. Census data are used to apportion congressional seats to states, to distribute more than $400 billion in federal funds to tribal, state and local governments each year and to make decisions about what community services to provide. The 2010 Census form will be one of the shortest in U.S. history, consisting of 10 questions, taking about 10 minutes to complete. Strict confidentiality laws protect the respondents and the information they provide.

- X -


19 posted on 03/01/2010 1:04:43 PM PST by deport (TEXAS PRIMARY -- MARCH 2, 2010)
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To: ScottinVA

Thank you so much for this information!!!


20 posted on 03/01/2010 1:06:21 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: MsLady

Soitenly!!


21 posted on 03/01/2010 1:07:10 PM PST by ScottinVA (Glad to see Demonic Unhinged (DU) highlights and attacks my FR comments!)
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To: Gaffer
"You don’t have to. When they ask for my ‘race’ I think I’m gonna put down either the “Firecracker 500” or the big NASCAR jobbie that they have at Talladega every year.....no sweat!"

Last time they took the census I filled out only the numbers of people. They called and called and called trying to get more info

Finally they sent some lady to ask me the rest of the questions like how many bathrooms in my house etc.

I asked her why she needed to know all this stuff, she said it was required by the Constitution. I said "OK wait one minute." I went and got my pocket Constitution and a 100 Dollar Bill and told her if she could find such in the Constitution she could have the money.

She read it all and then said it must be in an Amendment. I pointed out that all the Amendments were listed in the book I gave her and she said "Well they told me it had to all be answered because it was in the Constitution."

She then proceeded to ask me the question again and I answered them all with the response of 42.

Except for the ones about race.

I told her I was Black, my wife was Italian and our Daughter was full blooded Eskimo. She asked if she was adopted and I told her "no she is our natural born child."

She said nothing else gathered her papers and left. I never signed a thing. ;-)

22 posted on 03/01/2010 1:09:08 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the next one...)
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To: deport
All census responses are confidential. Answers are protected by law and cannot be shared with anyone.

That assumes bureaucrats uniformly abide by law. We know just how well that worked with personal info that was released about Joe the Plumber when he ran afoul of The One (yes, it was the state of Ohio, but the same principle applies).

23 posted on 03/01/2010 1:10:35 PM PST by ScottinVA (Glad to see Demonic Unhinged (DU) highlights and attacks my FR comments!)
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To: Gaffer
When they ask for my ‘race’

Human

Next question

24 posted on 03/01/2010 1:11:54 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (When 0bama Fails, Freedom Prevails - FUBO! Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: MsLady

If you have doubts about whether something HAS to be answered, scribble some unintelligible mark in the space.


25 posted on 03/01/2010 1:12:07 PM PST by ScottinVA (Glad to see Demonic Unhinged (DU) highlights and attacks my FR comments!)
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To: MsLady

GOOD FOR YOU...but don’t answer any questions other than the one asking how many people are in your household.

I hope that ALL of our fellow FReepers would do this. Use the Cloward-Piven strategy on Obama’s Census Bureau — have so many people refusing to answer the questions they have no right of knowing that they can’t do anything about it. OVERWHELM the system!


26 posted on 03/01/2010 1:14:00 PM PST by ChrisInAR (You gotta let it out, Captain!)
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To: deport
This is what the Constitution says about the census: "Representation and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers ... . The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct." -- Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution of the United States"

My question is about the last part, it says, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. What does that mean? Does that mean they can take the census anyway they want? And ask any question they want?

27 posted on 03/01/2010 1:14:01 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: green pastures
What is Person 1's race?

DON'T ANSWER IT...but if you do, say "HUMAN".

28 posted on 03/01/2010 1:15:43 PM PST by ChrisInAR (You gotta let it out, Captain!)
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To: deport
I wonder how far from the mailbox I have to be, before getting a "Hand Delivered" Census? I have a mailbox about 1/4 mile from the front door. But I wouldn't want to "Walk over to my place without the gate keys and combos... And "Mrs. King" May set the dogs on the trespassers, or fire a warning blast from the shotgun. (Maybe both)
Also, not taking the long driveway and crossing pastures would be hazardous to your health. A new black Shorthorn is to the South and the old mean Brahma is to the North. Neither are to be messed with unless you are on Horseback with an experienced cow horse or you are on a tractor feeding them.
So...I wouldn't want to be a census taker out here. Most folks call before they come and nobody cuts pastures without permission or jumps locked gates without knowing the people on the other side pretty well.
29 posted on 03/01/2010 1:19:04 PM PST by King_Corey (www.kingcorey.com)
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To: goseminoles

Yes they are!


30 posted on 03/01/2010 1:19:19 PM PST by US Navy Vet
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To: MsLady
Before you go off half-cocked; I'd do a little investigating of my own, if I were you. I would answer the qestions that are REQUIRED, honestly

There are fines for non-response and for false response as well, though the amount has risen from the 1790's $20. Today failure to respond can result in a $100 fine; providing false answers is a more severe offense, and carries a $500 fine. Recent news reports, however, indicate that punishment for failure to respond is not usually enforced. The controlling section of the Code is 13 USC 221.
Source

So, if you want to say your are Eskimo, you had better be Eskimo - unless you have $500 to spare.

Finally, there is this little gem (same source)

The biggest problem for the suit is the Constitution itself: "[The Census] shall be made ... in such Manner as [Congress] shall by Law direct." The questions on the long form are there because of legislation duly enacted into law by the Congress and signed by the President. Though the ire of citizens is being directed at the Bureau, the Bureau itself says that the Congress is to blame. The Census Bureau is looking to find ways to collect the data on the long form in other manners, such as polling and sampling. Though there is a possible $100 fine for failing to file with the Census, the Bureau also notes that no one has been penalized for failing to file in the past. The fine is more of a psychological reminder of the importance of the census than a source of income for the government. Advice to leave the form blank or to fail to fill it in may actually bring more of the government into your life than you want - unfiled and incomplete forms will be followed-up upon by actual census workers, either in person or by telephone.

31 posted on 03/01/2010 1:20:54 PM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: goseminoles
Go to the LDS site and look at the 1880 census. It will guide you as to an "ordinary census".

As far as telephone number?? I might just put down a phoney number. Any additional census info should be face to face and they have an address. They want an appointment?? Tough..They get paid by the hour...or do we sneak in a commish, too.

32 posted on 03/01/2010 1:21:19 PM PST by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: MsLady

They only want to know if you are of Spanish, Hispanic or Latino origin. Gee, I wonder why...


33 posted on 03/01/2010 1:21:35 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: MsLady

All answers to the questions you do not wish to answer should be: “Information Not Available” ... Straight from the Dept. of Justice Lawyer’s mouth ... via radio program during drive time. They stated that they are too busy to bother with piddly cases such as these ... period.


34 posted on 03/01/2010 1:24:07 PM PST by TexGuy (If it has the slimmest of chances of being considered sarcasm ... IT IS!)
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To: MsLady

I will answer nothing but population in my house with out an order from a judge.


35 posted on 03/01/2010 1:24:35 PM PST by rogertarp
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To: Gaffer

I like “the tortoise and the hare”.


36 posted on 03/01/2010 1:25:05 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: green pastures
Followup:

13 USC 221 - Sec. 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers 13 USC - U.S. Code - Title 13: Census (January 2004)
Text

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(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.

(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection
(a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500.

(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body.

13 USC 221

37 posted on 03/01/2010 1:25:30 PM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: goseminoles
"These folks aren’t trying to rip you off."

The hell they aren't!!?? That's just about all they do!

;-/

38 posted on 03/01/2010 1:27:19 PM PST by Gargantua (DON'T TREAD ON US.)
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To: MsLady

My question is about the last part, it says, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. What does that mean? Does that mean they can take the census anyway they want? And ask any question they want?


I’m not a legal expert but it appears they pretty much asked what the want and have so far. Get one of the American Community Surveys of theirs and it is very intrusive of what they ask for.

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/SBasics/SQuest/QbyQfact/Housing09.pdf
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/SBasics/SQuest/QbyQfact/Population09.pdf

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/


39 posted on 03/01/2010 1:27:31 PM PST by deport (TEXAS PRIMARY -- MARCH 2, 2010)
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To: rogertarp

I’m not even going to answer that. I live alone...do I want some temporary worker to know that? How do I know he/she is not going to tell the homies so they can invade my house or worse?

Sorry...I didn’t answer the last census; not going to answer this one either. Come and get me.


40 posted on 03/01/2010 1:28:05 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: MsLady
U.S. Constitution, Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3
"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such manner as they shall by Law direct.

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The italicized part has been modified by the 13th and 14th amendments. The bolded part says that the MANNER in which the census is conducted would be directed by laws passed, not the CONTENT of the census. All that is required by the Constitution is the number of persons.

41 posted on 03/01/2010 1:29:09 PM PST by Bush_Democrat (Ex-Dem since 2001 *Folding@Home for the Gipper - Join the FReeper Folders*)
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To: ScottinVA

The census person was just here and only asked me if I lived at this address full time and were there any others living here besides me. Then she gave me an envelope with papers of fill out and send in postal free. That was it. She was very nice and appreciative of my cooperation. That was that.


42 posted on 03/01/2010 1:29:10 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: MsLady

I don’t see very many Census commercials on Fox but when I switch to the channels targeting minority audiences, I see lots of census ads. Likewise, when I drive through predominantly minority areas, I see census billboards whereas when in other areas, I see none.


43 posted on 03/01/2010 1:29:24 PM PST by fso301
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To: Gaffer

Just say HUMAN!


44 posted on 03/01/2010 1:33:17 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: MsLady

Can I count my 2 dogs, they think they are people?


45 posted on 03/01/2010 1:33:47 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: MsLady

9. What is Person 1’s race?

uh, Human?


46 posted on 03/01/2010 1:36:20 PM PST by Leofl (I'm from Texas, we don't dial 9-11)
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To: GailA

And they cost about the same as a human to feed and maintain. LOL


47 posted on 03/01/2010 1:38:27 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: Bush_Democrat

Not “all that is required by the Constitution” - it is all that is permitted by the Constitution. The Constitution is a grant of express powers. Congress doesn’t gewt to expand them. They have the right to direct how the enumeration shall be executed and nothing more.


48 posted on 03/01/2010 1:39:39 PM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: MsLady
I just got my Census papers and this is what it says on the paper that they give you besides the main envelope:

You are required by law to provide the information requested. These federal laws are found in the U S Code, Title13(sections 9,141,193,214 and 221) and the Title 44 (section 2108) Please visit our Web site at and click on "Protectiong Your Answers" to learn more about our privacy policy and data protection.

49 posted on 03/01/2010 1:56:31 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: green pastures

What is Person 1’s race?
Human.


50 posted on 03/01/2010 1:56:34 PM PST by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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