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Is the Glock Inherently Unsafe?
Human Events ^ | 3-2-10 | Ed Miller And Phil Elmore

Posted on 03/06/2010 8:03:05 PM PST by smokingfrog

You've seen the endless discussions on internet discussion sites. You've read the articles. You've seen the topics discussed ad nauseam by gun owners who range from novices to experts. What all these pundits have in common is a simple enough prospect, but one in which they hold the firmest of convictions and the most powerful of faiths: They are convinced that the Glock pistol is inherently unsafe.

In fact, the Glock is a remarkably popular weapon with civilians and law enforcement agencies alike. There are very good reasons for this. If the Greek philosopher, Plato, could have imagined a handgun in his world of forms-those concepts that embody the ideal versions of all we are capable of imagining, the earthly manifestations of which are but imperfect copies-he would have envisioned a combat firearm with a simple means of sighting, a barrel, a hand grip, a simple and light trigger, and a cocking and ignition mechanism that fires when the user pulls the trigger (but does not fire unless the trigger is pulled).

The closest "imperfect" manifestation of this Platonic form would be the Glock. Available in multiple popular calibers, the Glock comprises precisely the minimum number of features a combat handgun must possess. It has a comfortably sized, slip-resistant grip for the average male or female hand, which remains comfortable across a broad range of ambient temperatures. It offers a simple, easily upgradeable sighting system. It exhibits reasonable combat accuracy at 25 meters. It has an acceptable light trigger that is long enough on the first shot to permit mere mortals to recognize that the trigger finger is moving, but it has a very short trigger reset that permits rapid fire of multiple shots.

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1 posted on 03/06/2010 8:03:05 PM PST by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

—NO—


2 posted on 03/06/2010 8:04:50 PM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: smokingfrog

3 posted on 03/06/2010 8:06:41 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: rellimpank
If the Glock is unsafe police departments would have dropped them years ago.
4 posted on 03/06/2010 8:07:09 PM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: smokingfrog

I don’t think they are unsafe. I do wish they had the option of a safety in the same place as the 1911. I personally would prefer a manual safety.

If it had the safety, I would also want the light weight trigger spring.


5 posted on 03/06/2010 8:07:27 PM PST by yarddog
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To: smokingfrog
The Glock is an inherently safe firearm. The accidents I've read about involve operator error, not problems with the gun. It has no external safety, so if you press the trigger when there is a round in the chamber, the gun will go off; just like it's supposed to. If you shoot +P+ rounds in it, like the manual recommends against doing, the gun may blow up on you; just as the laws of physics predict. However, even if you do this, the strength of the gun's frame may safe your hand. Glocks have a tendency to blow up and out, away from the shooter. I've seen pictures of blown-up Gocks with the trigger jammed into the guard by the force of the explosion. In other words, the frame took the blow instead of the shooter's hand.
6 posted on 03/06/2010 8:09:40 PM PST by Redcloak (Messin' up threads since 1998)
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To: smokingfrog

Proud owner of 2 Glocks and 1 Toyota..If you do not want to shoot the gun ,do not pull the trigger..
DUH..
Slainte.


7 posted on 03/06/2010 8:10:29 PM PST by GSP.FAN (These are the times that try men's souls.)
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To: yarddog

Look at the Smith and Wesson M&P, which does provide for an optional ambidextrous safety. The grip has inter-changable inserts for various hand sizes and is (to me) more ergonomic.. Added bonus is that you are not giving your money to some uppity Euro company.


8 posted on 03/06/2010 8:13:56 PM PST by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: smokingfrog

I have a G-26, first Gun I ever bought. Now for me I have found out I don’t connect to it as I thought I would have. The Sig and I connect, the HK-USP and I connect, hell the SW-357 and I connect. Having a firearm is like finding a girlfriend I have found out. I will be trading it in on something else....., but thats just me.


9 posted on 03/06/2010 8:13:58 PM PST by cmsgop
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To: smokingfrog

Think of the Glock as a high capacity revolver with a 5 1/2lb trigger. No safties and very simple. Point and click.
I love mine.


10 posted on 03/06/2010 8:14:22 PM PST by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Thank you....


11 posted on 03/06/2010 8:14:55 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Armed And Cantankerous.)
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To: smokingfrog
I think it depends on which end of the barrel you are on (or at).
12 posted on 03/06/2010 8:15:06 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Sarah Palin - For such a time as this...)
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To: smokingfrog

My own PERSONAL preference is for an external safety. But, I do carry a double action only pocket pistol that has a heavy trigger pull as a safety. I guess I consider the Glock (with the safety switch on the trigger)in a good holster to be as safe as a strong trigger pull/no safety in the same sort of holster. It is when the gun is out of the holster that I think the Glock is somewhat less safe. Glocks have been super reliable and accurate for me so there is some fodder for the other side of the argument. I have a Glock, but usually carry a 1911 style pistol with external safety. I must say that I have carried a Glock in the past and would do so again with no reservations.


13 posted on 03/06/2010 8:19:05 PM PST by MtnClimber (A government powerful enough to determine my quality-adjusted life years is no longer limited govt!)
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To: umgud

Me too. :-)


14 posted on 03/06/2010 8:19:17 PM PST by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... WWW.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: Redcloak

I heard a story about a cop who hung his glock from a coathook in a bathroom stall by the trigger guard. He bumped the gun and it emptied the entire magazine before it stopped twirling around. And nobody got hurt...

Not sure it is true, but it does make an amusing story!


15 posted on 03/06/2010 8:20:01 PM PST by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be your slave.)
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To: smokingfrog

Ed Miller, and Phil Elmore are spot on...but not about the Glock.

Every weapon that I used to own (before the tragic tsunami induced capsizing, just off the coast of Santiago, Chile) was an inherently unsafe weapon...to those just beyond the muzzle...


16 posted on 03/06/2010 8:20:34 PM PST by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: smokingfrog

Only if you are standing in front of it and I have good reason to pull the trigger!


17 posted on 03/06/2010 8:21:15 PM PST by dalereed
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To: cmsgop

I am sort of like you. I have owned several Glocks including an oddball 17L which had the long slide and the cutouts but a solid barrel. Also a model 19, model 21 and several 17’s.

They are excellent guns and I could certainly live with one but it is not quite my cup of tea. My next auto will probably be a 1911, preferably a Colt series 70 but a lot of others would be fine. I also really like the Sig P226 and 220.

My all time favorite tho is the Browning Hi-Power. It just feels perfect in my hand.


18 posted on 03/06/2010 8:21:50 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Haiku Guy

Now you’re going to get somebody to try this. :-)


19 posted on 03/06/2010 8:21:54 PM PST by meyer ("It's not enough just to not suck as much as the other side" - G. Beck)
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To: smokingfrog

I like the Glock, but I got a couple of H&K squeeze cockers because my wife feels very comfortable having them around kids.

She thinks that by the time a child is old enough and big enough to squeeze and cock it, the child is old enough to know what to do with a gun.


20 posted on 03/06/2010 8:22:28 PM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to make a new Government program (Health Care) to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: Yo-Yo

There might be one or two things in the article that I would take minor issues with, but I thought it was very well written overall.


21 posted on 03/06/2010 8:25:53 PM PST by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... WWW.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: Haiku Guy

I bet there was some underwear that needed cleaning though.


22 posted on 03/06/2010 8:27:54 PM PST by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... WWW.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: smokingfrog
Is a Glock safe, yes.
Is a Glock less tolerant of a user screw up, yes.
Have had only revolvers until 2 months ago when I bought a Glock G 17, I now think it's the best up close self defense pistol I own.
23 posted on 03/06/2010 8:29:02 PM PST by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: smokingfrog

I’ve finally built up the arm strength to be able to shoot my dad’s 1911A1 - I love it!!! It rocks!!!


24 posted on 03/06/2010 8:32:09 PM PST by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: smokingfrog

No, it is not at all unsafe. What it is is totally unforgiving of user mishandling. Handguns with double action trigger pulls are somewhat more able to resist a careless touch on the trigger than the 5.5# trigger of the Glock (Springfield XD, Smith and Wesson M&P, Smith and Wesson Sigma, or 1911).


25 posted on 03/06/2010 8:32:52 PM PST by sig226 (Bring back Jimmy Carter!)
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To: smokingfrog
Is the Glock Inherently Unsafe?

No !

If people were to follow these NRA safety rules they would eliminate "accidents":

Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction

Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot

Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

NRA T/C CRSO
26 posted on 03/06/2010 8:34:45 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: umgud
Think of the Glock as a high capacity revolver with a 5 1/2lb trigger.

And that's the main problem IMHO. Light trigger.

A revolver has about an 11-13 lb. pull in double action. It requires a conscience effort to pull the trigger.
A little twitch, trigger fouled in a purse on a lipstick, etc. is not likely to discharge it.
Isn't there a mod. called a 'New York' trigger that bumps up the pull to around 11 lbs?

27 posted on 03/06/2010 8:35:46 PM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: SkyDancer

The 1911 is an excellent back-up weapon!


28 posted on 03/06/2010 8:40:42 PM PST by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... WWW.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: smokingfrog

I love my Pocket Freight Train.


29 posted on 03/06/2010 8:41:24 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks (Jim Bunning we will miss you. Palin/Cheney 2012)
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To: Vinnie

You take your 13 pound pulls. My duty gun goes off at 2 pounds, and that is exactly the way I like it and it is going to remain. I dont own a gun that has more than a 4 pound trigger. I practice safe handling, and use quality holsters, and my kids are all competent gun handlers. Like the fellow said, they are all very dangerous out beyond the front end.


30 posted on 03/06/2010 8:45:05 PM PST by Concho
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To: Vinnie

The light trigger (compared to the roscoe) does require special respect. I’ve been shooting Glocks for years and that is always in the back of my mind. The other safety issue is that you’ll always have to dry fire it to take it out of battery for disassembly or storage.


31 posted on 03/06/2010 8:46:14 PM PST by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: Vinnie

I have a Springfield XD, which has the trigger safety (which is not a real safety) but also has a grip safety, so you have to grip it RIGHT to get it to fire...not just stick your finger in the trigger. I’ve shot a Glock as well, much prefer the XD. Glock just has a bigger PR department. Can you shoot a Glock accidentally? Put your finger on the trigger and it will shoot. Down range, or down the leg. It will shoot.

Most problems involve operator error. True story time..and caught on video. Cop demonstating in front of class. Instead of dropping the magazine and operating the slide to clear the round, he cycles the slide FIRST, THEN drops the magazine. Well, duh, a round is in place. He then proceeds to shoot himself in the foot.

Never assume a gun is not loaded.


32 posted on 03/06/2010 8:46:43 PM PST by rstrahan
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To: Vinnie
"And that's the main problem IMHO. Light trigger."

My only light triggers are competition pistols. My conceal carry handgun is a Ruger SP101 with the standard long pull. Carry type of pistols are not meant to have light triggers IMHO. Inexperienced shooters will be pulling that pistol out of the holster having their finger on the trigger and shooting themselves in the foot. If you get one, I would suggest a lot of training with a carry pistol and a light trigger pull.
33 posted on 03/06/2010 8:48:59 PM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: The Cajun
Is a Glock safe, yes. Is a Glock less tolerant of a user screw up, yes.

I agree with both of those statements, though it's also worth considering that a pistol with a manual safety can also be pretty intolerant of user screw up when the user needs it to shoot.
34 posted on 03/06/2010 8:49:51 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

But handguns in particular need to almost always be ready to use. An unloaded gun used to make a decent bludgeon, but the newer ones are so light, that is not as true as it once was. ( I still have a polymer framed pistol, but it's loaded, as are the all steel 1911, and magazines for the so called "assault weapons".).

35 posted on 03/06/2010 8:50:00 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
Although I've seen that image scores of times on FR, apparently we have an easily offended moderator tonight. Here's Post #3 again sans caption:


36 posted on 03/06/2010 8:50:06 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: rellimpank

Sorry the glocks are not combat weapons...their rate of fire and accuracy does not come close to a 1911 or other external hammer weapons...they are designed as a ‘safer’ semi auto, high capacity replacement for service revolvers


37 posted on 03/06/2010 8:50:23 PM PST by databoss
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To: smokingfrog

That’s it! We need a Mythbusters show on this one to settle it.


38 posted on 03/06/2010 8:50:48 PM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: smokingfrog

(Former) DEA called Lee Paige tells some students, “This is a Glock Fawty. ... I’m the only one in this room p’ofessional enough, that I know of, to carry this Glock Fawty.” BANG!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDQhaoocZPw&feature=related


39 posted on 03/06/2010 8:51:43 PM PST by flowerplough ( Pennsylvania today - New New Jersey meets North West Virginia.)
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To: Vinnie
A revolver has about an 11-13 lb. pull in double action. It requires a conscience effort to pull the trigger. A little twitch, trigger fouled in a purse on a lipstick, etc. is not likely to discharge it.

Are you advocating keeping a revolver in a purse, or anything else, without a holster?

40 posted on 03/06/2010 8:52:59 PM PST by papertyger
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To: The Pack Knight

Less safe in hands of idiots like this.
http://www.stupidvideos.com/video/just_plain_stupid/Accidental_Discharge/#1299

Otherwise safe.


41 posted on 03/06/2010 8:53:14 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Haiku Guy

Many “moons” ago, when Detroit PD went to glocks, an officer hung his on the flusher handle while engaging in personal hygiene. Bang! It busted the toilet and flooded the restroom.


42 posted on 03/06/2010 8:55:14 PM PST by VoiceOfBruck (Was "Hussein" a common American Christian name in Hawaii in 1961? Just askin...)
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To: ExpatGator
Look at the Smith and Wesson M&P, which does provide for an optional ambidextrous safety.

I have a Smith and Wesson M&P 45 ACP. Mine lacks the manual safety. I overcome this by following the fundamental firearms safety rules (finger off the trigger unless I'm about to shoot, only point at that which you intend to destroy, etc...).

43 posted on 03/06/2010 8:56:39 PM PST by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: cmsgop
Having a firearm is like finding a girlfriend...

Your firearm won't try to kill you if you shoot another gun.

44 posted on 03/06/2010 8:57:50 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: yarddog
"My next auto will probably be a 1911.

Someone with common sense.

45 posted on 03/06/2010 8:59:33 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: databoss
Sorry the glocks are not combat weapons...their rate of fire and accuracy does not come close to a 1911 or other external hammer weapons...

You are apparently unfamiliar with 1911s as they were issued to regular troops.

Two words: barrel bushing.

46 posted on 03/06/2010 9:00:35 PM PST by papertyger
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To: yarddog
Glocks are well designed.
Glocks are very reliable.
Glocks are not inheriently dangerous.
The Glocks polymer frame is excellent.
Glocks are reasonably accurate for their purpose.
Glocks will kill a bad guy when needed.
The Glocks are funtional, pratical, reliable, affordable and sufficently deadly.

However, I just do not like the bloody damn black plastic brick nor can I shoot the ugly thing worth a damn. How many times in you life have you heard it described as elegant, sleek, or pretty?

The 19ll and the Browning Hi Power do it right for me. As an added bonus you can beat someone about the head and shoulders with a 1911 or Hi Power and it will make an impression and if wielded with sufficient enthusiasm a depression.

I guess I am showing my age, but I like the feel of a chunk of elegant blued iron in my hand. I can also shoot it well. I just can not shoot a glock.

I feel better now. :)

47 posted on 03/06/2010 9:02:05 PM PST by cpdiii (Oil Field Trash, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR)
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To: smokingfrog

The article lost me at “Plato,” but the answer is no, not inherently unsafe. But there are some unsafe things you can do with a Glock:

Pocket carry

Let a psychotic jihadi Army Major have one or two on base

Try to shoot a Pentagon guard with one

Twirl it on your finger while loaded (either you or the gun)

Show a picture of one to a liberal

That’s all I can think of. Other than that it’s perfectly safe! :)


48 posted on 03/06/2010 9:02:35 PM PST by VoiceOfBruck (Was "Hussein" a common American Christian name in Hawaii in 1961? Just askin...)
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To: ExpatGator
Look at the Smith and Wesson M&P,

I have one in S&W .40 - a most excellent machine for those shopping.

49 posted on 03/06/2010 9:02:42 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: smokingfrog
"The 1911 is an excellent back-up weapon!"

It is an execellent primary weapon short of a shotgun or a rifle.

50 posted on 03/06/2010 9:03:58 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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