Ripping Apart Einstein

FQXI ^ | 3/7/10 | Bob Swarup

[wendy1946]

Ralph Sansbury's ideas start off simply enough. He was doing experiments with currents and he noticed that currents create electrostatic fields, which is not supposed to happen, and that the fields reverse when the current reverses. The explanation: nuclear particles particularly electrons, previously thought to be indivisible as atoms once were thought to be, must have structure and sub particles of their own. At rest such electron-solar-systems would not create electrostatic dipoles but under the stress of a voltage the orbits of such particles would become eliptical and create dipoles, and the cumulative effect of such dipoles in their quadrillions would create an electrostatic field which would in fact reverse when the current reversed.

The computed necessary speed for a sub-electron particle would get you to one of the near galaxies in a couple of seconds. That leads to all kinds of interesting things, try linking to the link I provided above and download the PDF book file.

[Pan_Yan]

Ah-ha! I think i've been in this ball field before, even though it was up in the cheap seats right behind a column.

Are we talking about pair production?

[Sgt_Schultze]

What’s going on here? What’s with these deniers? This is “settled science” and as such is immune from criticism.

[Pan_Yan]

parsy, who also don’t believe life is an accident

The worst moment for the atheist is when he is really thankful and has nobody to thank.
-Dante Gabriel Rossetti

[wendy1946]

No, something more basic than that. Again:

http://mysite.verizon.net/r9ns/

The item you want is that first item about gravity and magnetism.

[Pan_Yan]

We then show that 10-56 kg. orbiting negatively charged particles, inside the Angstrom diameter electron and atomic nuclei, excited into ellipses transverse to the sustained fields in the wires, that also cause the movement of free electrons, can account for these electrostatic dipoles.

Money quote:

The implications of this simple mechanism are many.

[ctdonath2]

assuming incompressibility

There's your mistake. That's like saying "assuming light is infinitely fast..." - well, it isn't. The movement on the bar must propagate from one end to the other (as information if nothing else), which cannot propagate faster than light.

[ctdonath2]

My gut reaction is that this guy is somehow declaring X=Y, then going thru convolutions to achieve the startling discovery that X=Y.

I’ll grant that there’s probably more to Relativity than Einstein described, much as there is more to physics than Newton described. Nothing discovered in science has, so far, proven complete.

[ctdonath2]

we know that gravity or at least the FORCE of gravity propagates instantaneously

Care to elaborate? Link?

[ctdonath2]

Now, given such impossible contradictions as an indicator one does not adequately understand the issue, it is fun to re-approach the illustration with what IS known and determine what the consequences are. To wit:

One cannot assume incompressibility as a “push” amounts to a wave function manifest as sound propagating thru the bar; for the bar to be incompressible the speed of sound in the material would be infinite - which is absurd. HOWEVER, if we consider that the speed of sound within the bar cannot exceed the speed of light (a mathematically proven notion which is holding up when subject to reality), we could calculate a “maximum (minimum?) compressibility” for any physical substance. Give your 200 million mile long bar a kick, assume the impulse travels at the speed of light, and you can calculate how hard (i.e.: incompressible) your bar actually is (computation is left as an exercise to the reader).

In HS physics I once applied the same notion to heat: as heat is the movement of atoms, and atoms cannot move faster than the speed of light, I worked out what the universal “maximum temperature” is (pity, I can’t seem to find that calculation again; it was large but not staggeringly so), concluding that the temperature scale is in fact finite, with an “absolute hot” to match “absolute zero (cold)”.

[Pan_Yan]

In HS physics ... I worked out what the universal “maximum temperature” is ...

In High School I watched the 'Dukes of Hazard' every week.

[ctdonath2]

Hmm ... somehow I doubt doing so involved calculating ballistic trajectories of the General Lee.

Yes, I was that much of a geek. (Chemistry class involved much time studying exothermic reactions.)

[Pan_Yan]

If it makes you feel better I read Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire while I was still in elementary school. All six volumes. We were just geeks in different ways.

[parsifal]

Thank you for the link. As a pre-K amateur in all this stuff, it looked to me like something was wrong after I read the first book—The Big Bank Never Happened. I hope I live long enough for humans to have some better idea about these things. But it will probably be another couple a hundred years at least. By then, I will already know.

parsy, whose first trip in Heaven is to the Bookstore in the Sky

[parsifal]

Thank you! I was close—only two letters away. Maybe it’s DYSON(?) I was thinking about. Then there’s the 3 letter guys. RPG, KRA, something like that. I’m stuck in the bedroom for a while, and all my books are either out back, or in storage, or elsewhere.

I seem to recall reading there was a possible mathematical boo-boo in either Feynman or somebody that had never been followed up on due to the adherence to Copenhagen influence.I guess I could google “mathematical boo boo quantum physics”, but if it was successful, I’d be there for days reading those new experiments that Indian guy is doing on Heisenburg/Schroeder quantum stuff-—spooky action at a distance. That stuff just fascinates me.

parsy, who apologizes for his brain infarcts

[wendy1946]

we know that gravity or at least the FORCE of gravity propagates instantaneously

Care to elaborate? Link?

Metaresearch site article on actual experiments involving the speed of gravity propagation.

[grey_whiskers]

I thought M & M were trying to find a cross current or something, to discover which way the ether was blowing.

I got your Uncertainty Principle right here...

Don't confuse Mars candies ("melts in your mouth, not in your hand") with Bob Dylan.

Or the Weathermen / SDS.

We don't want any Ayers acolytes around here during the Obama administration, thank you very much.

Now, if you want to hear about the double-slit experiment, it concerns Rita Hayworth and Sophia Loren, both wearing a certain type of dress....I'd tell you more, but as it involves hardons in degenerate modes and simple hormonic motion, you'll have to sign a release that you're over 18.

Cheers!

[grey_whiskers]

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[Pan_Yan]

Okay, maybe providing you that link did not raise the level of discourse over here. Until you arrived I had anchor man of the class locked up.

[grey_whiskers]

They integrated from the very point of origin. Her curves were continuous, and even though he was odd, he was a real number. The day their lines first intersected, they became an ordered pair. From then on it was a continuous function. They were both in their prime, so in next to no time they were horizontal and parallel. She was awed by the magnitude of his perpendicular line, and he was amazed by her conical projections. “Bisect my angle!” she postulated each time she reached her local maximum. He taught her the chain rule as she implicitly defined the amplitude of his simple harmonic motion. They underwent multiple rotations of their axes, until at last they reached the vertex, the critical point, their finite limit. After that they slept like logs. Later she found him taking a right-handed limit, that was a problem, because it was an improper form. He meanwhile had realized that she was irrational, not to mention square. She approached her ex, so they diverged.