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As Girth Grows, Risk of Sudden Cardiac Death Shrinks
University of Rochester Medical Center ^ | March 16, 2010 | Unknown

Posted on 03/16/2010 4:20:32 PM PDT by decimon

Study Reaffirms “Obesity Paradox”: Obese patients at lower risk of sudden cardiac death compared to non-obese patients

Obesity has long been identified as a risk factor for cardiovascular disease and heart failure. But, a new study conducted by researchers at the University of Rochester Medical Center found that being skinny confers no advantage when it comes to the risk of dying suddenly from cardiac causes.

Scientists found that non-obese heart failure patients – including overweight, normal and underweight patients – had a 76 percent increase in risk of sudden cardiac death compared to obese heart failure patients. Normal and underweight patients showed a startling 99 percent increase in risk for sudden cardiac death compared to obese patients.

(Excerpt) Read more at urmc.rochester.edu ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: fat

1 posted on 03/16/2010 4:20:32 PM PDT by decimon
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To: neverdem; DvdMom; grey_whiskers

Fat chance ping.


2 posted on 03/16/2010 4:21:35 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
Bon Appetite!


3 posted on 03/16/2010 4:22:06 PM PDT by library user
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To: decimon
Yeah, but what about diabetes?
4 posted on 03/16/2010 4:23:27 PM PDT by Force of Truth (Yes political conservatives are libertarians. They want to have their rights and eat them too.)
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To: decimon
Eat hearty!

But buy bigger pants.

5 posted on 03/16/2010 4:23:37 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Force of Truth

Spoil Sport...


6 posted on 03/16/2010 4:23:57 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Palin bashers on freerepublic, like a fart in Church...)
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To: Force of Truth
What about it?

The study did not address diabetes or car accidents, or booze or slips on the ice from globull cooling.

It just said contrary to assumptions made prior, fat people die slightly less often than skinny people from sudden coronaries.

7 posted on 03/16/2010 4:27:08 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat

There’s statistical evidence relating gut fat to diabetes.


8 posted on 03/16/2010 4:28:22 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: decimon; shibumi; Slings and Arrows
As Girth Grows, Risk of Sudden Cardiac Death Shrinks

Yeah, but so do the chances of getting laid.

(Something I'd rather not live without.)

9 posted on 03/16/2010 4:32:18 PM PDT by Markos33 ("Yassir! I nicked the census man!" - "There's a good boy.")
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To: James C. Bennett
Ummmmm....yeah I know, so what?

Ask Rochester to do a study on that. I never really bought into that idea either. People with diabetes gain weight like crazy. So it's easy to say that it's connected. I am thinking there is something else at work to cause type two issues.

Internal medicine, in case you never noticed, is still in the dark ages compared to other areas. Don't ever trust a doctor unless you see more than one on internal issues. They all suck eggs.

10 posted on 03/16/2010 4:34:03 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat

Good advice!


11 posted on 03/16/2010 4:35:17 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett
BTW, sudden onset death coronaries are usually due to a specific blockage in the heart called the widow maker.

The study did not address other blockages, just the deadly one.

12 posted on 03/16/2010 4:36:57 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: James C. Bennett

I stayed in a Holiday Inn express once.


13 posted on 03/16/2010 4:38:11 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat
They all suck eggs.

I disagree. They're excellent at scaring the crap out of you with tests that end with "undetermined origin".

14 posted on 03/16/2010 4:38:12 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: Markos33

That is funny as hell! LOL!


15 posted on 03/16/2010 4:38:44 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: decimon
Compared to the overweight, normal and underweight patients, obese patients were younger, had a higher ejection fraction, higher blood pressure, diabetes and were more likely to be smokers

Maybe their "younger" heart gives them the advantage.

16 posted on 03/16/2010 4:39:42 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Markos33

Too funny ;)


18 posted on 03/16/2010 4:43:22 PM PDT by Blonde
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To: Cold Heat

“Don’t ever trust a doctor...They all suck eggs.”

ROTFLMAO :)


19 posted on 03/16/2010 4:48:12 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: Stentor
I had one that thought I would die within minutes from a arterial blowout. They called a ambulance and sent me to a hospital. it took the hospital three days and a thousand holes poked along with enough radiation to power a submarine to finally discover that my plumbing is a bit different then most people. I have a horseshoe kidney.

They actually nearly killed me. My vascular system has a bunch of extra stuff.

The last incident was two years ago when they had me all ready to install a couple stents in my heart. They had already poked me full of holes and bathed me in radiation.

Ten minutes after the procedure started they fond out that I needed no stents and that calcium had blocked the imaging devices.

My crotch still hurts from time to time after they shoved all that hardware up my femoral artery.

20 posted on 03/16/2010 4:48:30 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat

fond=found


21 posted on 03/16/2010 4:50:40 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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Perhaps you have not been around FreeRepublic long enough to notice that we posters don’t use such vulgar language.


22 posted on 03/16/2010 4:51:13 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum

I finally saw a good one before it was deleted. The poster joined Dec., 2009.


23 posted on 03/16/2010 4:53:40 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
The researchers at the University’s Heart Research Follow-Up Program examined the risk of sudden cardiac death in 1,231 patients who had suffered at least one prior heart attack and had been diagnosed with a low ejection fraction, a measurement of how much blood is pumped from the heart with each beat. Their analysis found that decreased BMI or body mass index was associated with a large increase in the risk of sudden cardiac death. These findings highlight the “obesity paradox,” a phenomenon long recognized by cardiologists that, once afflicted, obese heart failure patients fare better than their slimmer counterparts.

Interesting but extremely misleading headlines. The study has to do with people who are already heart patients and have already experienced at least one heart attack. The skinny ones have a much higher risk of dying from a sudden heart attack than the fat ones.

Fat people have an obvious reason to have heart disease: they're fat.

Skinny people don't have an obvious reason to have heart disease.

From that, I conclude that most skinny people who have heart disease and have had a heart attack have probably gotten to that shape because of some different reason than most of the fat people.

So whatever that different cause (or causes) is, it or they are more likely to be lethal.

24 posted on 03/16/2010 4:55:20 PM PDT by john in springfield
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To: decimon

I had to use the backup button a few times, but it was not worth seeing....LOL


25 posted on 03/16/2010 4:56:29 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat
I had to use the backup button a few times, but it was not worth seeing....LOL

I always miss them. I feel...so left out. ;-)

26 posted on 03/16/2010 5:01:01 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Works for me for some reason.


27 posted on 03/16/2010 5:02:27 PM PDT by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!(FR #1690))
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To: john in springfield
Very good thinking. Remember Jim Fixx, the advocate of running to improve cardiovascular fitness, who died suddenly at only 52 while running? It turned out that

Fixx came from a family where the men had poor health histories. His father suffered a heart attack at age 35, dying of a second at 42

I.e. he had healthy habits but bad genes.

28 posted on 03/16/2010 5:02:28 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: john in springfield
The problem with fat is that it can close in on the heart and cause it to work harder than it should. This won't cause a sudden death coronary as it is a longer term issue for heart enlargement problems.

As to cholesterol, fat is better than skinny. People with high readings will always have high readings until the medical community stops BS'ing and actually figures out that the body makes the stuff. Some more than others.

IMO a fat person would naturally have his/her digestive tract so busy processing food and eliminating the cholesterol dumped in the gut to aid digestion that most of it would be eliminated.

Skinny people eat like birds and when they do they eat rabbit food or skip meals like I do. The cholesterol in their guts would be more likely to be reabsorbed and end up in the blood and subsequently in the heart's vascular walls where it will eventually cause the big one.

Just my thought on the matter. I have high cholesterol which is why they thought I was at risk and I do have some buildup but not serious stuff. If I try to diet, my numbers go off the scale. If I eat regularly to keep my gut working daily, my numbers go down.

I try to eat oatmeal but have to put sugar on it. No help for the weight so I just quit worrying about it. I tell any doctor that I like my cholesterol where it is and thank him for caring so much.

It works for me. But the doctors hate it so I fire them. Looking for another one right now.

29 posted on 03/16/2010 5:12:05 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: decimon

Skinny people are smokers.


30 posted on 03/16/2010 5:12:54 PM PDT by Does so (ObamaCare...I pay for medical-marijuana claims by millions of Americans?)
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To: Does so
Smoking does not cause the widow maker heart attack or sudden death coronary. Arterial blockages do in a specific spot.

Smoking causes lung cancer in some people, mouth or throat cancer in others and it contributes to high blood pressure in some because it causes the blood to thicken with red cells due to the increased CO and CO2.

Sudden onset heart attacks are usually caused by a blood clot that gets stuck in a cholesterol laden artery. Blood clots can be caused by as little as a bruise or a heart issue like atrial fibrillation and all sorts of things. These things often happen to active people not fatsos so smoking is not a likely cause IMO.

31 posted on 03/16/2010 5:31:29 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Does so

As a qualification, I have been a smoker for almost 50 years. I know what it does.


32 posted on 03/16/2010 5:35:29 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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