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Neanderthal may not be the oldest Dutchman [ 370,000 years B.P. ]
Radio Netherlands Worldwide ^ | Friday, March 26, 2010 | Henk-Sjoerd Oosterhoff

Posted on 03/30/2010 7:29:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

People may well have been roaming the land we now call the Netherlands for far longer than was assumed until recently. There is evidence to suggest that the country was home to the forebears of the Neanderthals. Amateur archaeologist Pieter Stoel found materials used by the oldest inhabitants in the central town of Woerden. These artefacts were shown to be at least 370,000 years old, which takes us back to long before the time of the Neanderthals. Our ancient forebears are often described as cavemen but that is not entirely accurate. There were no caves in this environment, explains Pieter Stoel:

"No, they cannot be specifically described as cave dwellers. There were no caves here in the Low Countries. They can best be described as people who travelled through the country along the rivers, where they could easily hunt the animals that came to the water to drink. At the time when they possibly roamed the Netherlands, the North Sea was dry, which would have enabled them to walk to England for example."
Pieter Stoel is an amateur archaeologist. For 14 years, he has conducted research in his spare time, alongside his day job as high school physics and chemistry teacher. But next year he intends to leave the classroom behind him and focus completely on his research. He describes the find in Woerden as unique... Follow-up research is needed to show whether the artefacts actually come from the layers at the bottom of the pit or whether they were shifted by the dredging work. A layer by layer study is now being carried out to see which artefacts are located where...

(Excerpt) Read more at rnw.nl ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: doggerland; godsgravesglyphs; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals
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Neanderthal may not be the oldest Dutchman

1 posted on 03/30/2010 7:29:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 03/30/2010 7:31:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv

where there's one, there are more...

3 posted on 03/30/2010 7:52:36 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Hmmmm, that skull looks a lot like Henry Waxman.


4 posted on 03/30/2010 8:39:56 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: SunkenCiv
B.P.???
5 posted on 03/30/2010 9:03:00 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: SunkenCiv

Neanderthal may not be the oldest Dutchman [ 370,000 years B.P. ]
Nope, It was Neanda Thall, his wife, who lived 475,000
years B.P [Before Permanents]


6 posted on 03/30/2010 9:07:04 PM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: SunkenCiv
Stranger In A New Land (Archaeology)

Image: JOHN GURCHE PORTRAIT OF A PIONEER With a brain half the size of a modern one and a brow reminiscent of Homo habilis, this hominid is one of the most primitive members of our genus on record. Paleoartist John Gurche reconstructed this 1.75-million-year-old explorer from a nearly complete teenage H. erectus skull and associated mandible found in Dmanisi in the Republic of Georgia. The background figures derive from two partial crania recovered at the site.

7 posted on 03/30/2010 9:37:56 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

Homo heidlebergensis or Homo antecessor?


8 posted on 03/31/2010 6:16:29 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: ZULU

Thats Homo heidelbergensis. Sorry.


9 posted on 03/31/2010 6:16:59 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: ZULU
Isn't Homo heidelbergensis considered a proto Neanderthal?
10 posted on 03/31/2010 8:20:09 AM PDT by cake_crumb (RR on ObieCare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&feature=player_embedded#)
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To: ZULU

Hard to tell, the Netherlands has a lot of different kinds of homo.


11 posted on 03/31/2010 3:50:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: ZULU

Well, that was fun.

Anyway, the only things he’s found are some possible tool remnants without context, iow, the age was estimated by the depth, and the supposition that the stone fragments resulted from prehistoric human activity will surely be controversial.

Meanwhile:

Sea gives up Neanderthal fossil [ dredged up from the North Sea ]
BBC | Monday, June 15, 2009 | Paul Rincon
Posted on 06/15/2009 8:19:35 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2272129/posts


12 posted on 03/31/2010 3:54:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Chode

Refers to the late Billy Powell, Lynyrd Skynyrd’s keyboard man. Ronnie can be heard calling him “B.P.” on “Take Your Time”, which was a B side of a 45, subsequently released on one of the best ofs.


13 posted on 03/31/2010 4:23:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv
okydoky...
14 posted on 03/31/2010 6:22:31 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: SunkenCiv
There were no caves here in the Low Countries

Must have been other attractions . . .


15 posted on 04/05/2010 1:14:13 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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Wow, couldn’t ya come up with some hot Dutch babes?


16 posted on 04/05/2010 7:41:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv
Sorry, mate. Obviously, Og was interesting in something to keep him warm during those cold Northern nights.

Inexplicably, however, the Dutch boys seemed to go for the Oriental girls. Perhaps that explains why this branch of the family tree didn't evolve into anything later on?


17 posted on 04/06/2010 10:24:44 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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