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Jesus was son of an architect, book claims
Telegraph ^ | 02 April 2010 | Telegraph

Posted on 04/07/2010 7:19:43 AM PDT by Palter

Jesus was the son of a middle-class, highly educated architect, according to a new book, which claims the previous belief that Joseph worked as a carpenter has distorted the Bible's meaning.

The book- The Jesus Discovery- claims that Jesus rose to become the most senior Rabbi of his time, thus explaining how he was able to exert such influence and why his teachings became such a concern to the authorities.

Author Dr Adam Bradford, who works as a GP, drew his conclusions after studying and comparing the original Greek and Hebrew scriptures, as well as using human psychology to analyse the behaviour towards Jesus as depicted in the Bible.

Biblical scholar Dr Bradford said: "Jesus's high ranking position as a Jew seems to have been written out of history but in fact it makes more sense of the Bible.

'If Jesus was the son of a poor itinerant carpenter with some radical ideas nobody would have been that concerned about what he said.

'But, because Jesus was trained up to become the most educated Jew of his time it gave him the chance to exert extraordinary influence and let him get away with acts that normal Jews would have been imprisoned or chastised for.

'For example, when Jesus turned the money changers out of the temple there is no mention in the Bible of the police guards getting involved or there being a backlash. The money changers were an essential part of gaining revenue for the Temple so if Jesus was an ordinary Jew he would have been arrested or physically attacked.

'Christ enjoyed social privileges that would not have been available to an uneducated itinerant carpenter.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Books/Literature; History; Religion
KEYWORDS: architect; bible; godsgravesglyphs; greek; hebrew; jesus; joseph
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1 posted on 04/07/2010 7:19:44 AM PDT by Palter
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To: Palter

I guess you could say that. God did architect the universe.....


2 posted on 04/07/2010 7:21:15 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Palter
as well as using human psychology to analyse the behaviour towards Jesus as depicted in the Bible

Read as "as well as making stuff up to sell a book"

3 posted on 04/07/2010 7:22:15 AM PDT by trad_anglican
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To: Palter
Jesus rose to become the most senior Rabbi of his time, thus explaining how he was able to exert such influence

Yeah, that whole "Son of God" things had nothing to do with his ability to influence others.

4 posted on 04/07/2010 7:22:25 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We're all heading for red revolution -- we just disagree on what the red really means.)
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To: Palter

My theory is that Joseph was a fisherman until the wise men from the East came to the family, gave them a sizable chunk of wealth, and begged them to flee.

Joseph took his family to Egypt, apprenticed himself to a carpenter using the wealth the Eastern Kings gave him, and returned to Galilee where he built boats for the fishermen.

I believe he was a poor man who became a skilled craftsman.


5 posted on 04/07/2010 7:22:46 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Palter

Art Vandelay? ;)


6 posted on 04/07/2010 7:23:17 AM PDT by Perdogg (Nancy Pelosi did more damage to America on 03/21 than Al Qaeda did on 09/11)
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To: Palter
. . .as well as using human psychology to analyse the behaviour towards Jesus as depicted in the Bible.

:::rolls eyes:::

7 posted on 04/07/2010 7:24:28 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Palter

John 7:15 — “The Jews therefore marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?” This seems to indicate that Jesus was not formally trained. His followers called him Rabbi as a courtesy.


8 posted on 04/07/2010 7:24:50 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: Palter

>> If Jesus was the son of a poor itinerant carpenter with some radical ideas nobody would have been that concerned about what he said.

... until the “son of a poor carpenter” starts raising people from the dead. Miracles performed on command tend to draw attention ... even to idnviduals who are otherwise unlikely to be listened to.

SnakeDoc


9 posted on 04/07/2010 7:24:52 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant ... that even a god-king can bleed." - 300)
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To: Perdogg

You beat me to it!!!


10 posted on 04/07/2010 7:25:00 AM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: Palter

My understanding is that the word that has been translated “carpenter” in our English bibles actually means “builder” and that, since most buildings in that time were of stone, he was more likely a stone mason.

Attempts to portray Jesus as anything other than an average Jew from a modest family in a nondescript town is counter to what scripture says.

“He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces, he was despised, and we esteemed him not.”


11 posted on 04/07/2010 7:25:11 AM PDT by Jedidah (Character, courage, common sense are more important than issues.)
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To: Palter
so if Jesus was an ordinary Jew he would have been arrested or physically attacked.

Ummmmm, Jesus WAS arrested and physically attacked. And I don't believe He had a "high position" either.

12 posted on 04/07/2010 7:25:20 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: Palter
...Jesus rose to become the most senior Rabbi of his time...

I guess that's one definition of "Messiah".

I suppose if you take God out of the equation this guy's thesis makes sense, but that's a mighty big 'if'.

13 posted on 04/07/2010 7:25:31 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Palter

Yes he was.

He was the Son of the Great Architect.


14 posted on 04/07/2010 7:25:57 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Palter

this is horse hockey where’d he go? RISD? MIT? Princeton? Harvard?


15 posted on 04/07/2010 7:26:45 AM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Free Nobel Peace Prize with oil change =^..^=)
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To: Perdogg

In my new book coming out later this Spring, I make the argument that Jesus was Irish.


16 posted on 04/07/2010 7:27:18 AM PDT by sean_og (--... ...--)
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To: Jedidah

‘Attempts to portray Jesus as anything other than an average Jew from a modest family in a nondescript town is counter to what scripture says.’

Shrug, if he was poor, a ‘Rabbi’, and such does not change the reason he came to Earth.


18 posted on 04/07/2010 7:28:50 AM PDT by Palter (Kilroy was here.)
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To: sean_og
In my new book coming out later this Spring, I make the argument that Jesus was Irish.

You mean my wife is really saying to me "O'Christ" and not "Oh, Christ?"

19 posted on 04/07/2010 7:29:33 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best.)
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To: randog

CS Lewis had interesting things to say about “taking God out of the equation”. If we see Jesus as merely a great teacher, then we are left with nothing but a crazy man who walked around claiming to be God. Who needs such a meshuga for a teacher?? Either Jesus is the Son of God or he is someone best ignored. The middle position — that he was a Great Rabbi — is untenable.


20 posted on 04/07/2010 7:30:09 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We're all heading for red revolution -- we just disagree on what the red really means.)
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To: Palter

My new book is due out in May clearly showing that Jesus one one of Mary’s octuplets. In fact I’m developing a new show called ‘8 is Enough!’.


21 posted on 04/07/2010 7:32:30 AM PDT by Doc Savage (SOBAMP!)
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To: N. Theknow
And when Mary found out that Joseph had not reserved a room for them in advance, she rode his ass all the way to Bethlehem.

Now there is a translation that can't be challenged!

22 posted on 04/07/2010 7:33:55 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Yup, the C.S. Lewis “Lord, Liar, or Lunatic” argument. Very well thought out, however, one has to believe that Jesus said the things he is claimed to have said in the bible in order for this argument to hold water. And just so someone doesn’t jump on me with flying accusations, yes I believe Jesus said those things.


23 posted on 04/07/2010 7:35:01 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (END THE WAR ON LIBERTY!)
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To: Palter
I see a man trying to tailgate on another author and write his own davinchi code. Read the Bible and you will know the truth. If any of this trash was true then why didn't Ussher or Josephus write about it?
24 posted on 04/07/2010 7:36:06 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: Perdogg

Of Vandelay Industries?

Good one.


25 posted on 04/07/2010 7:36:15 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Palter
'For example, when Jesus turned the money changers out of the temple there is no mention in the Bible of the police guards getting involved or there being a backlash.

That's because He was right to do it! He gave His reasons for His actions and the Chief Priests were afraid to physically confront Him... because He was right. They tried to call Him out... but failed.

26 posted on 04/07/2010 7:38:16 AM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: Jedidah
Joesph was a carpenter.

He was a master at making scroll top desks!

He definitely wasn't a Mason! He was Jewish!

27 posted on 04/07/2010 7:39:06 AM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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To: Palter; zot

At least we know he was NOT a politician!


28 posted on 04/07/2010 7:43:21 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Jedidah

Are you saying that Jesus was a Mason? Well, that will send throws through the anti-Masonic fraternity folks.


29 posted on 04/07/2010 7:44:46 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Palter

30 posted on 04/07/2010 7:47:00 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: sean_og
In my new book coming out later this Spring, I make the argument that Jesus was Irish.

Well! ... In MY new book coming out this Summer, I make the argument that Jesus was over 20 feet tall, could run the 40 in under 3 sec and was able to say "She sells seashells by the seashore" over 10 times really fast. So there!

31 posted on 04/07/2010 7:51:00 AM PDT by TexGuy (If it has the slimmest of chances of being considered sarcasm ... IT IS!)
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To: Palter

A guy who wants to dismiss the Deity of Jesus Christ. These guys can argue against it all they wish. They will be proven wrong. The irony of all of this is that Jesus still loves them and died and rose for their, and my, sin and sinfulness.


32 posted on 04/07/2010 7:51:23 AM PDT by righttackle44 (Is Obama an Irish, Italian or Japanese name?)
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To: pgyanke
Actually, there was a whole episode with the temple guards wherein Jesus was heard to scream “don't Tase me bro”, but one of the early Popes had it removed from scripture. It's coming out in the next Tom Hanks revelation.

Sorry if that's irreverent, but this revisionism just rankles. The original Word is quite miraculous enough without all these attempts to find new truth.

33 posted on 04/07/2010 7:54:44 AM PDT by throwback
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To: JLLH; Outlaw Woman; StarCMC; AZ .44 MAG; prairiebreeze; Beloved Levinite; TwelveOfTwenty; ...

Baptist ping


34 posted on 04/07/2010 7:57:56 AM PDT by WKB (From "Handout" to "Bailout")
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To: Palter

C’mon...everyone knows Jesus was a community organizer!!


35 posted on 04/07/2010 8:01:07 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: SnakeDoctor

“until the “son of a poor carpenter” starts raising people from the dead. Miracles performed on command tend to draw attention “

...which makes the quote, “He saved others, let him save himself”, all the more ironic: He PERFORMED MIRACLES.

Colonel, USAFR


36 posted on 04/07/2010 8:10:36 AM PDT by jagusafr (Don't make deals with pirates)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Yes. C.S. Lewis wrote very elouently about how you eiher had to believe it ALL — the peace, love, etc AND that He was the son of God — or dismiss it ALL as lies or insanity —
you couldn’t just pick the “nice” part and ignore that He said himself that He was the son of god.


37 posted on 04/07/2010 8:12:29 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’m going to have to read some CS Lewis, he’s been coming up a lot in conversation. Got any recommendations?


38 posted on 04/07/2010 8:26:09 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: randog
"Mere Christianity" is a fine place to start.

"Surprised by Joy" is also good.

39 posted on 04/07/2010 8:29:55 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We're all heading for red revolution -- we just disagree on what the red really means.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Thank you.


40 posted on 04/07/2010 8:55:55 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: HerrBlucher

I thought that argument came from Chesterton, not Lewis, or at least from Chesterton first.


41 posted on 04/07/2010 9:43:24 AM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: TexGuy

In MY new book, coming out in two days, I make the argument that Jesus was a midget who married another midget and made pastries to sell to all the worshipers at the temple. I got a development deal from TLC for a new show based on all their trials and tribulations being little people.


42 posted on 04/07/2010 9:48:45 AM PDT by StrictTime (I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.)
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To: Palter

One respected Biblical scholar claims the language issue has confused the actual occupation of Joseph and Jesus.

His reading of the Aramaic original is that the occupation is ‘stone worker’ or mason. That might be more reasonable and common in small village whose homes were known to be constructed largely of stone.

In either case, its more likely that the occupation was blue-collar than an elite architect in a poor village.


43 posted on 04/07/2010 9:55:17 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: randog
I’m going to have to read some CS Lewis, he’s been coming up a lot in conversation. Got any recommendations?

God in the Dock, but be aware that it was "edited" by Walter Hooper.
44 posted on 04/07/2010 9:55:25 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan
My new book coming out this month is about how nutty FReepers can get within 44 posts!

I love Free Republic!

45 posted on 04/07/2010 10:08:12 AM PDT by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

“I believe he was a poor man who became a skilled craftsman.”

Well, at least your theory explains why his son was born in a stable. Hard to picture an architect being put in that position. Likewise, how could an architect made a living in a podunk village like Nazareth? This new theory sounds like armchair reasoning whose conclusions raise as many questions as they answer.


46 posted on 04/07/2010 10:11:39 AM PDT by DrC
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To: throwback

And all the rest, as Dylan said, ‘Don’t criticise what you can’t understand.’

I have heard a lecture on this at www.templehouse-publishing.com

Refute it if you can. Also there is an academic endorsement at
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/7547540/Jesus-was-son-of-an-architect-book-claims.html

If there was never anything ‘new’, what is Jesus saying in Matthew 13:52?
Not ‘guilty til proved innocent’...


47 posted on 04/07/2010 11:13:48 AM PDT by Timotheous
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To: aruanan

Thank you.


48 posted on 04/07/2010 11:52:32 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Wilum
My new book coming out this month is about how nutty FReepers can get within 44 posts!

You didn't know about Walter Hooper and how he has "Waltered" various C.S. Lewis works?
49 posted on 04/07/2010 11:56:36 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: SJSAMPLE

That must make God a city planner.


50 posted on 04/07/2010 11:58:56 AM PDT by glennaro
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