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DA's sex ed warning befuddles Wis. teachers, kids
hosted ^ | Apr 9 | TODD RICHMOND

Posted on 04/09/2010 8:57:05 AM PDT by JoeProBono

MAUSTON, Wis. (AP) -- Mike Taake has taught sex education for 30 years, and he says he knows what doesn't work: just telling kids to wait.

The Mauston High School health teacher has used abstinence-only and comprehensive curriculums, and he said students need all the information they can get about sex to make the best choices. But teaching them about contraceptives could land him and other teachers in court...

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TOPICS: Education
KEYWORDS: abstinence; antiabstinence; condomsinschools; contraceptives; education; indoctrination; jpb; moralabsolutes; sexed; sexpositiveagenda; wisconsin

1 posted on 04/09/2010 8:57:05 AM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

Very interesting debate. The problem is that so many sex ed programs divorce sex from morals/consequences especially the ones that promote homosexuality as normal and healthy.


2 posted on 04/09/2010 9:02:51 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding but in expressing his own heart.)
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To: JenB

Would the homeschool list be interested in this?


3 posted on 04/09/2010 9:03:25 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding but in expressing his own heart.)
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To: JoeProBono

This guy’s an idiot.


4 posted on 04/09/2010 9:03:57 AM PDT by gdani (science is hard!)
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To: JoeProBono

I’m not so sure about someone (an adult) who feels so strongly compelled to talk to other people’s minor children about sex...


5 posted on 04/09/2010 9:07:14 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Morgana
Who?


7 posted on 04/09/2010 9:14:37 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

“In Wisconsin, children under age 17 who have sex with each other can be prosecuted as juveniles. Seventeen-year-olds who have sex with one another can be convicted as adults of a misdemeanor.”

Perhaps the Wisconsin schools should just teach the legal consequences when discussing sex ed. Of course, legal consequences may not stop teens, who often feel invulnerable. Have legal consequences stopped kids from drinking or smoking pot? No.

Frankly, I don’t see how teaching about contraceptives can be argued to be “contributing to the delinquency of a minor.” He’s arguing that teaching sex ed is the *reason* kids have sex.

It would make more sense to outlaw dating, or private meetings between people under the age of 18. Sexual activity between teens occurs when they are alone, right? So anyone who lets kids be alone together is also “contributing to the delinquency of a minor.” Ban dating instead!

BTW, my son is just finishing up at a public HS, and had “sex ed.” I reviewed all the materials, of course. and there was no promotion of homosexuality. There was always a discussion of proper behavior, respect of partner, and consequences. So the sort of program you describe isn’t happening here at least.


8 posted on 04/09/2010 9:30:08 AM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: JoeProBono

you bad Joe


9 posted on 04/09/2010 9:31:38 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
LOL!


10 posted on 04/09/2010 9:35:13 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: worst-case scenario

Yes they aren’t everywhere. I am glad that your son didn’t encounter one of the perverse programs out there. Our school system has an abstinence based program. They teach consequences and about STDs etc. My husband helps teach the courses.

I don’t think teaching contraception is the responsibility of the school. Sex education really isn’t either but since they are going to have something taught, I would argue for an abstinence/consequence based program.

BTW, dating has been outlawed in our home. We are raising our children for courtship. I know your ban dating was spoken tongue in cheek. I have told several people that if I was widowed and looking to remarry, I wouldn’t put myself alone in a car with a man. I surely wouldn’t put my 17 year old daughter in a car with a 17 year old boy.


11 posted on 04/09/2010 9:41:11 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding but in expressing his own heart.)
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To: JoeProBono; wagglebee
he says he knows what doesn't work: just telling kids to wait.

The Sex Positive Agenda opposes abstinence. Look at Positive.org's "just say yes" campaign.

They see sexually promiscuity as a birthright and seek to see everyone sexually active at every age and with every thing. Experiment. No moral judgements over anything (just bragging rights).

12 posted on 04/09/2010 9:45:53 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: worst-case scenario

It could be argued that teaching underage minors about contraception comes with the tacit assumption that you want them to have sex.


13 posted on 04/09/2010 9:46:39 AM PDT by dan1123 (Free condoms for teens to have safe sex is like giving them bullet-proof vests for safe gun play)
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14 posted on 04/09/2010 9:51:53 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: dan1123

Or it could be argued that it comes with the tacit assumption that you know THEY want to have sex - or at least experiment with it. Because they will have those urges, no matter what you teach them about it. It comes with the development of their bodies.

I taught my son that the urges are natural, but controllable, and it’s his responsibility to handle them so that nobody (including himself) gets hurt. Is teaching a teen about safe gun handling a tacit assumption that he is going to shoot somebody? No - but if a teen “draws a gun,” he or she should know the consequences that may arise.


15 posted on 04/09/2010 9:52:43 AM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: worst-case scenario

Funny story that happened two weeks ago.
My husband, a youth pastor, was talking with about 60 students at our local Jr high school. He told them not to be in a place/situation that you aren’t prepared to face. Then he told them the story of David and Bathsheba without using their names or telling the class that the story was from the Bible. In the beginning of the story, it says “in a time that kings were gone out to war”. David was the King and he should have been at war instead of on that rooftop where he could see Bathsheba. After the class a young man came up to him and said that he knew where that story was from, it was from that Babylon movie. My husband just smiled.


16 posted on 04/09/2010 9:52:47 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding but in expressing his own heart.)
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To: JoeProBono

The quote from the mother about how we can’t expect teenagers to not have sex drives me crazy. Are we raising animals? From the beginning of their lives we are telling kids that we have no expectations of self discipline or responsibility from them. We are then disappointed when that philosophy is evident in all areas of their lives, not just with sex.

In college, my roommate’s mom was a professor who told a class that it was always possible to “stop” no matter how high their passions may be. Of course, they didn’t believe her. She pointed out that if their parents walked in on them they would stop instantly. People are more dignified and intelligent than animals.


17 posted on 04/09/2010 9:53:37 AM PDT by Spudx7
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

My son isn’t interested in dating - it costs too much. (LOL!) Also he has seen how romantic/sexual attachments too young can really alter a person’s future. He doesn’t want anyone limiting his choices, not even his own emotions.

But my suggestion to ban dating wasn’t totally tongue-in-cheek. You have the insight dealing with your daughter - the only way to stop sexual behavior between young people is to keep them from being alone together, If “no teen sex” is what the Wisconsin AG wants, he should ban dating.


18 posted on 04/09/2010 9:56:56 AM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: dan1123
It could be argued that teaching underage minors about contraception comes with the tacit assumption that you want them to have sex.

Yes, like teaching them driver's ed encourages them to get in wrecks.

19 posted on 04/09/2010 9:57:42 AM PDT by gdani (science is hard!)
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To: Spudx7

Very good point. The problem is that so many parents don’t ever teach their children self control. They give in to every whine, tantrum, and demand. You really can’t expect a teenager to control their sex drive when as a child they were never taught to control their temper/urges etc.


20 posted on 04/09/2010 9:57:45 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding but in expressing his own heart.)
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To: worst-case scenario

Your son sounds like a very wise young man. You have done well!


21 posted on 04/09/2010 9:59:40 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding but in expressing his own heart.)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

22 posted on 04/09/2010 10:00:23 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

Training your body is one part of self control, however, you also have to learn control of your emotions. My brother in law holds several karate titles and he has no self control.


23 posted on 04/09/2010 10:03:38 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding but in expressing his own heart.)
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To: dan1123

It’s more than an assumption because they cannot tell them it’s wrong to have sex - even though it is illegal for them to engage in sex.

It would be like a teacher leading a class about smoking, and discussing smoking techniques, even though none of the kids can legally smoke. Without being able to tell them it’s illegal for them to smoke.

And it is a sad day that education experts think smoking is a far worse thing for a kid to do, based on all the punitive taxes, and discouragement tossed at teens, than having casual sex is.


24 posted on 04/09/2010 10:04:06 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: worst-case scenario

I homeschool, and have taught my own children a “Comprehensive Course”. Granted, these are my own children so that makes it different. I also know that the information they have is combined with numerous discussion through the course of life about all aspects of life - including sexuality, consequences, beliefs (morals), etc... But, the teaching about contraception and diseases, etc... doesn’t interfere with my teaching to them the basic moral fundamentals.

They are also far too aware of the hardships that face young couples who find themselves pregnant before they are married and ready financially — my husband and I started out that way, and they see how hard it is to get out from behind that 8-ball, so to speak...

Anyway, I guess what I’m saying is that with my own four daughters they are very informed, and very consistent in their beliefs despite knowing “all” the info. They are all Pro-Life, and “Pro-Waiting”. What should be allowed, IMHO, is the teaching of both because it IS true that some parents neglect teaching this crucial information - period.

Again, this is all JMHO. I have also seen some of the “info” that passes for educational material in some places courtesy of groups like GLSEN, and those teachers might be more the type that should be facing a DA vs. the average teacher, esp. in WI...


25 posted on 04/09/2010 10:53:03 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

I took some classes when I was in Jr. High (different kind of martial art though). Anyway, the great majority of those I knew involved had tremendous self-control. In my admittedly limited experience I would think (hope) that your BIL is an exception... But then he was at a whole different “level” in competition vs. knowing it and just using it “when needed”.


26 posted on 04/09/2010 11:03:31 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3
Very good point. The problem is that so many parents don’t ever teach their children self control. They give in to every whine, tantrum, and demand.

I recently witnessed this phenomenon in a store. People were waiting in line at a counter to have their special orders assembled, each of which took a few minutes. A young woman with two small children had been letting them run wild in the store, making the piercing shrieks that only children can make, for the past half hour. When she got in line at the counter with the kids, the other customers in line were gritting their teeth at the shrieking at close range.

Finally the counterperson said to her, "Ma'am, is there anything you can do to help your children calm down a bit?"

The woman gave one of those side-to-side head moves and said indignantly, "EXCUUUSE ME?"

The counterperson repeated the polite request.

"NO, I CAN'T! (Hmmph! Hmmph!)"

"Okay," the counterperson replied.

A few minutes later, the older of the two children started telling her baby brother to "calm down." Even children know that limits can be challenging, and they can achieve things if they are expected to.

27 posted on 04/09/2010 12:43:00 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberals love the poor so much they came up w/ a plan to create millions more of them. - Ann Coulter)
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To: JoeProBono

Finally, a DA with some sense!


28 posted on 04/09/2010 12:49:15 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

Thank you; that is very kind. He is very confident and comfortable in his beliefs; that is the greatest satisfaction. Peer pressure doesn’t seem to affect him.


29 posted on 04/09/2010 1:22:40 PM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: LibertyRocks

My BIL was a punk with serious martial arts skills. He took to it naturally. He had a horrible temper and no impulse control. He is a Christian now and doing better but he still has a hard time with self control.


30 posted on 04/09/2010 3:03:33 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding but in expressing his own heart.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Not a pleasant experience. My favorite is in the grocery store with the screaming child strapped to the cart with the seemingly oblivious parent shopping for produce.


31 posted on 04/09/2010 3:05:49 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding but in expressing his own heart.)
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