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Girl, 6, sent to room kills herself
The Daily Telegraph (article from Daily Mail) ^ | April 9, 2010

Posted on 04/10/2010 7:56:38 AM PDT by myknowledge

A GIRL, 6, who was sent to her room for punishment is feared to be one of the youngest people to have ever committed suicide in the U.S.

Samantha Kuberskki was found at her home in Oregon after being sent to her room for arguing with her mother.

Her death was ruled as suicide by the coroner - sparking a bitter row with police who investigated her death and insist it was an accident.

Detectives who interviewed the family insist the girl did not know what she was doing at the time she was found.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailytelegraph.com.au ...


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KEYWORDS: girl; oregon; samanthakuberskki; suicide
6 year old Samantha Kuberskki. The youngest suicide victim in the United States.
1 posted on 04/10/2010 7:56:38 AM PDT by myknowledge
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To: myknowledge

When my daughter was six one of her friends hung herself in the closet. I think she was six. I think it was an accident.


2 posted on 04/10/2010 7:59:41 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: myknowledge

They waited until April to report this when it happened in December?


3 posted on 04/10/2010 8:00:47 AM PDT by Peanut Gallery (The essence of freedom is the proper limitation of government.)
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To: myknowledge

A GIRL, 6, who was sent to her room for punishment is feared to be one of the youngest people to have ever committed suicide in the U.S.


The word “feared” caught my attention. Not sure why..........


4 posted on 04/10/2010 8:01:22 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: P-Marlowe

When things like this happen, I feel it must be accidental and not suicide. It’s tragic. I have to agree with the psych in the article, though, that young children do not understand their actions could lead to death or that death is final.


5 posted on 04/10/2010 8:03:45 AM PDT by Peanut Gallery (The essence of freedom is the proper limitation of government.)
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To: PeterPrinciple
Hadn't noticed it until you mentioned it.

A very odd use of the word, indeed.

6 posted on 04/10/2010 8:04:04 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Socialism is for people who've given up.)
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To: All

Tragic.

What now, press charges against the parents for bullying?


7 posted on 04/10/2010 8:06:28 AM PDT by Irenic
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To: Peanut Gallery
In my daughter's friend's case they determined that she was "playing" suicide. She had no clue as to the ramifications of hanging herself.
8 posted on 04/10/2010 8:08:31 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Peanut Gallery

I think that many suicides imagine they will “live” as ghosts of some sort and be able to see the “punishment” their suicide causes other people;too many movies ,tv shows ,and now a veritable flood of occult fiction aimed at teens all portray death in very unrealistic ways.


9 posted on 04/10/2010 8:09:05 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Peanut Gallery

Maybe it took the Daily Mail to pick this one up.


10 posted on 04/10/2010 8:09:38 AM PDT by myknowledge (B.H. Obama's just a frontman. A frontman for who? The globalist elite, stupid!)
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To: myknowledge

The parents will be consumed with shame from which they will never recover. So there are three victims here.


11 posted on 04/10/2010 8:11:07 AM PDT by Mountain Mary ("If they bring knives, we'll bring guns" ( Barack Obama) "Okay, then we get to bring Jack Bauer")
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To: PeterPrinciple
I'd have to see what the scene looked like before even thinking about the "how did she do it"....

The concept, at this age, of "how to "successfully" kill yourself" makes it more likely that it was an accident or "foul play".

Sounds like foul play has been eliminated.

I'm trying to think like a six year old....at that age, you run away...usually around the block...because you're not allowed to cross the street.

I think suicide is pretty far fetched....

12 posted on 04/10/2010 8:11:50 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

It’s not an odd use of the word at all. It’s just not typical American English.


13 posted on 04/10/2010 8:13:53 AM PDT by chaos_5
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To: chaos_5

Yes. Hence. Odd.


14 posted on 04/10/2010 8:24:25 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Socialism is for people who've given up.)
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To: chaos_5

That’s because the article originated with the Daily Mail, which is a British paper.


15 posted on 04/10/2010 8:32:12 AM PDT by myknowledge (B.H. Obama's just a frontman. A frontman for who? The globalist elite, stupid!)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

When my oldest daughter was 5 she found a recently killed dead bunny in our yard and brought it to me. “Look Daddy, can you fix it?” So I agree that young children that age don’t understand death.


16 posted on 04/10/2010 8:32:38 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny; PeterPrinciple
You were saying ...

A very odd use of the word, indeed.

Well, in the context of the story, itself and the "dispute" as to whether it was suicide -- or -- something that the girl did (not "knowing" about suicide) and thus her actions ended up killing herself -- it's understandable how the word "feared" is used.

The parents, the police and a psychiatrist all said that it was an "accident" and not a "suicide" -- but the coroner said "suicide" ... thus it is "feared" that it was a suicide (in that they did not want to "determine" [or have a "determination"] that it was a suicide but an accident, from things gone terribly wrong)...

17 posted on 04/10/2010 8:36:43 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

...........sigh


18 posted on 04/10/2010 8:39:02 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Socialism is for people who've given up.)
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To: Jack Black

Oh how very sad and sweet. Great example too of how children do not understand death. Too bad you couldn’t fix the poor lil’ guy (or gal) bunny. :-(


19 posted on 04/10/2010 8:42:17 AM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: myknowledge

It’s the Daily Mail from Sydney, Australia.


20 posted on 04/10/2010 8:44:28 AM PDT by constitutiongirl ("Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal."---Leo Tolstoy)
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To: myknowledge

Sad prayers at the loss of one so innocent...


22 posted on 04/10/2010 8:45:28 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

I’ll concede “relatively odd” since it’s not odd to those who use the Queens English! LOL


23 posted on 04/10/2010 8:47:43 AM PDT by chaos_5
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To: Jack Black

I agree, and trying to explain it to them could probably do as much harm as it does good. It could easily cause them to adopt an attitude of fear concerning death at that early age.

I would certainly hope that some well meaning classroom materials related to childhood suicide wasn’t in some way partially contributory to this.


25 posted on 04/10/2010 8:59:38 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Be still & kneel before the all knowing/seeing Omnipotent One, Il Douche' Jr. blessings be upon him.)
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To: myknowledge

My daughter just turned seven. She wouldn’t know how to hang herself if she wanted to. But she’s a crazy adventurous kid, and I could see something happening accidentally.


26 posted on 04/10/2010 9:15:18 AM PDT by mockingbyrd (Remember in November.)
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To: Mountain Mary

>> The parents will be consumed with shame from which they will never recover. So there are three victims here.

Yeah, a truth not often stated.


27 posted on 04/10/2010 9:17:16 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: myknowledge

There must be more to this story than this.


28 posted on 04/10/2010 9:23:19 AM PDT by Joe Magarac
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To: myknowledge

I don’t care what the coroner said, a six year old girl does not think of suicide! It may have been an accident, but I doubt very much, unless this was a severely abused child, that she would think of taking her own life. Even then I would question that conclusion.


29 posted on 04/10/2010 9:24:04 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: Mountain Mary
You were saying ...

The parents will be consumed with shame from which they will never recover. So there are three victims here.

They won't if it is an accident from a series of events gone horribly wrong with a little girl who didn't even know what was going on ...

It would only be so.., if it was "officially ruled" that way, by the coroner, even though the parents see it as an accident, along with the police (after their investigation) and a psychiatrist, too.

They should get that coroner's ruling overturned and correct the situation so that kind of "story" won't be hanging over them. Just an "accident" is bad enough, but accidents do happen and are not the fault of some people involved in them, who get killed. This (by the "coroner") makes it out to be the direct fault of a little girl who supposedly "intentionally" killed herself. That's the crime here, it seems (that coroner not understanding the situation with little kids like that, as if they do things with "knowledge" in a situation like that).

30 posted on 04/10/2010 9:26:40 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: PeterPrinciple

It’s a polite/British was of conceding a point that hasn’t been 100% proven, and would be better off not being true in any case. For instance, a person might say:

“The country is being run by an immature, naive, narcissistic America-hating poseur who wasn’t even born in the US.”

To which a second person could rightly respond, “I fear you’re right.”

Most of the first statement is a given, though honest people can disagree about the final item. No matter if that part is true or not, however, the ‘I fear you’re right’ is the proper way of conceding the bulk of what was stated, while at the same time expressing concern, regret, and just the overall sentiment that this is a bad thing. Fwiw.


31 posted on 04/10/2010 9:41:17 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Jack Black

When one of granddaughters was about that age they found her bunny dead in his cage...her answer was ***he’s not dead he’s just lazy****

She is in college and we still sometimes chuckle when we talk about some of the things our children and grandchildren say.....


32 posted on 04/10/2010 1:57:29 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Mountain Mary
The parents will be consumed with shame from which they will never recover. So there are three victims here.

Your presumptuousness is breathtaking.

The first question I asked myself upon recovering from the shock of reading the report : How would I react to such an event in my family with any of my three children, now all successful independent healthy adults?

Grief?
Certainly.

Shame?
Guilt?
Not for a microsecond!

33 posted on 04/10/2010 3:19:36 PM PDT by Publius6961 (10% of muslims, the killer murdering radicals, are "only" 140,000,000 of 'em)
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To: Star Traveler
Suicide has a root meaning "killing of self." Deliberate intent is not necessary, in the use of ordinary language.

Perhaps we are confusing legal terminology for ordinary language.

34 posted on 04/10/2010 3:23:47 PM PDT by Publius6961 (10% of muslims, the killer murdering radicals, are "only" 140,000,000 of 'em)
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To: Publius6961
You were saying ...

Suicide has a root meaning "killing of self." Deliberate intent is not necessary, in the use of ordinary language.

Well, I find that Merriam-Webster's Dictionary is a good place to go to when someone has a question about what a word means ...

Merriam-Webster's Dictionary Definition of suicide ...

Main Entry: sui·cide
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin sui (genitive) of oneself + English -cide; akin to
Old English & Old High German sīn his, Latin suus one's own, sed, se
without, Sanskrit sva oneself, one's own
Date: 1643

1 a : the act or an instance of taking one's own life voluntarily and
intentionally especially by a person of years of discretion and of
sound mind

1 b : ruin of one's own interests [political suicide]

1 c : apoptosis [cell suicide]

2 : one that commits or attempts suicide

I'm not sure what definition you're using, but I find that the Merriam-Webster's dictionary is quite adequate for me in pretty much everything, except for a few words that might not be in there, but that's not the case with the word "suicide".

35 posted on 04/10/2010 5:09:56 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: constitutiongirl

Actually, The Daily Telegraph (a Sydney-based Australian paper) sourced the article from the Daily Mail (a UK-based paper).


36 posted on 04/10/2010 8:09:29 PM PDT by myknowledge (B.H. Obama's just a frontman. A frontman for who? The globalist elite, stupid!)
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To: myknowledge

Yeah, I’m eat up with the dumb-ass today.


37 posted on 04/10/2010 8:12:36 PM PDT by constitutiongirl ("Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal."---Leo Tolstoy)
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To: myknowledge

I don’t think so.


38 posted on 04/10/2010 8:21:16 PM PDT by spectre ( Spectre's wife)
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To: chaos_5

The use of “feared” could be more of a nuance of where the writer is from. When I read an Israeli account that mentions someone being “lightly wounded” I do a double take. It’s not something I would say, but it is normal for them to say it that way.


39 posted on 04/10/2010 8:45:23 PM PDT by Canedawg (I'm not digging this tyranny thing.)
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To: Publius6961

Presumptuous? I think not. My brother took his own life and I had to watch my parents grapple with grief and guilt for years. Doesn’t matter if it is not deserved. It happens. Why don’t you stick to what you know about, which probably isn’t all that much,you pompous a**.


40 posted on 04/10/2010 9:20:10 PM PDT by Mountain Mary ("If they bring knives, we'll bring guns" ( Barack Obama) "Okay, then we get to bring Jack Bauer")
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To: myknowledge

I didn’t know this happened in Oregon.

Lord, have mercy.


41 posted on 04/13/2010 9:43:36 PM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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42 posted on 04/13/2010 9:44:08 PM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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