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New Stringent Appliance Standards for Home Water Heaters and Other Heating Products
Environmental Resource Center ^ | 4/5/2010

Posted on 04/11/2010 5:46:07 PM PDT by EBH

DOE’s Secretary Steven Chu has announced the Department has finalized higher energy efficiency standards for a key group of heating appliances that will together save consumers up to $10 billion and prevent up to 164 million metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions over 30 years. These new standards—for residential water heaters, pool heaters, and direct heating equipment such as gas fireplaces—will reduce air pollution, prevent the release of harmful nitrogen oxides and mercury, and avoid emissions equivalent to taking 46 million cars off the road for one year.

“These energy-conserving appliance standards are a critical part of the Administration’s overall efforts to save energy in homes and businesses nationwide,” said Secretary Chu. “By raising the energy efficiency requirements of our everyday appliances, we will save money for American families and companies, reduce carbon pollution, and enhance our energy security for decades to come.”

The standards released on Wednesday increase the stringency of the existing minimum conservation standards for these three types of residential heating products, which account for about 18% of energy use in homes across the country. The standards will significantly reduce energy consumption by these products, including decreasing energy use in large electric storage water heaters by 47% and by more than 30% in large gas water heaters. The standards for water heaters will go into effect in 2015, while the standards for pool heaters and direct heating equipment—including gas-fired wall, floor and hearth heaters—will apply to products manufactured in 2013 and beyond.

Under the Obama Administration, the DOE has accelerated the pace for finalizing new appliance standards and has placed new resources and emphasis behind the enforcement of these important standards. Since President Obama came to office, DOE has issued or codified new efficiency standards for more than twenty different products, which will save consumers between $250 and $300 billion on their energy bills through 2030:

* March 2009 – 14 consumer and commercial products with standards prescribed in the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 (EISA 2007), including dishwashers, general service incandescent lamps, and residential clothes washers * April 2009 – Microwaves, kitchen ranges, and ovens * July 2009 – General service fluorescent lamps and incandescent reflector lamps * July 2009 – Commercial heating, air-conditioning, and water-heating equipment * August 2009 – Beverage vending machines * December 2009 – Commercial clothes washers * February 2010 – Small electric motors * March 2010 – Residential water heaters, direct heating equipment, and pool heaters

To ensure that the appliance standards are as effective as possible, DOE will continue to work aggressively and consistently to enforce energy efficiency standards across the country.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: energy

1 posted on 04/11/2010 5:46:07 PM PDT by EBH
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To: EBH

I heat my water by putting it in a big pot and burning an old tire under it. I hope that meets with their standards.


2 posted on 04/11/2010 5:48:08 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: EBH

We are going to hell in a handbasket and this loonatic is worried about my water heater????


3 posted on 04/11/2010 5:48:45 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: EBH

Tankless water heaters.

The only way to go.


4 posted on 04/11/2010 5:48:54 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: Tainan

Unless you count on that water heater for water in an emergency.

In California, I see that as being a decent trade off.


5 posted on 04/11/2010 5:52:50 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: EBH

save consumers money?

what a joke. like they could have made better appliances before but, oh, just didnt get a memo from the government.

what they mean is, you will pay a ton more for your water heater, and the “savings” wont offsett the higher initial cost.

get ready for low flush toilets II.


6 posted on 04/11/2010 5:52:54 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: EBH

All this from the wonderful people who brought us the low flush toilet. Nuff said.


7 posted on 04/11/2010 5:53:22 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: EBH

GE is the new Enron. bttt

AES and GE imitate Enron on coal and climate
By: Timothy P. Carney Examiner Columnist 05/26/09 6:19 PM EDT
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/AES-and-GE-imitate-Enron-on-coal-and-climate-46120417.html

A global power company that inherited some of Enron’s coal-fired power plants in Africa has also followed the late energy giant in the effort to profit from climate change legislation.

Virginia-based AES Corp. has partnered with General Electric Co. in peddling greenhouse gas offsets while lobbying for policies to make those offsets valuable ­ the same buy-low, lobby-hard, sell-high strategy tried by Enron. AES simultaneous expansion of coal-fired power in Asia, South America and Africa, however, highlights how environmental regulations can yield profit without necessarily yielding environmental gains.

Before it collapsed in late 2001, Enron was the leading corporate lobbyist for restrictions on greenhouse gas emissions. Former Chief Executive Officer Ken Lay called on both the Clinton and Bush White Houses to ratify the Kyoto Protocol on Climate Change, which one intracompany e-mail declared would be “good for Enron stock.” The company hoped to be the premier dealer in emissions credits that would be required after climate change legislation. Further, Enron’s natural gas pipelines would see increased demand as coal and oil would be made more costly.

At the same time, Enron owned coal-fired power plants in the developing world and was building more. Third World power plants are not covered by Kyoto, and pinching the developed world’s use of coal would make it cheaper to operate the coal plants in Nigeria.

When Enron died, its assets were scattered. Two heirs ­ taking up both Enron’s power generation and its climate change entrepreneurship ­ were General Electric and AES. GE got the windmills, and AES got floating coal-fired power plants off Nigeria’s shores.

AES is currently building a new coal-fired power plant in India with an accompanying coal mine. AES has also just opened a diesel-fired plant in southern Chile, adding to its four Chilean coal-fired plants. Last December, Vietnam’s government announced a joint venture with AES for a coal-fired power project there.

But at home, AES’s joint ventures have a greener hue. AES and GE have formed a company called Greenhouse Gas Services. GHGS invests in technologies aimed at reducing the gases blamed for global warming. Some of these products save money through energy efficiency, but many of them have value only if Congress passes legislation restricting emissions ­ such as the Waxman-Markey bill currently before the House.

GHGS this month registered as a lobbying organization, working on “climate legislation” and operating from AES Arlington offices. AES, meanwhile, recently hired a new lobbying firm, Lighthouse Consulting. Lighthouse and its lead lobbyist, Merribel Ayres, are the organizational firepower behind the U.S. Climate Action Partnership, the business coalition led by GE that has spearheaded the push for cap-and-trade climate legislation.

GHGS is particularly sensitive to how climate legislation accounts for “offsets” ­ emissions credits granted for activities, such as tree-planting, that reduce greenhouse gas concentrations in the air.

How to account for offsets is a contentious issue. For instance, planting trees absorbs carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, but much of that CO2 will go back into the air when the tree rots or burns. Massive tree-planting to absorb CO2 could also create land-use problems.

Clearly, the final details on Waxman-Markey are crucial to GHGS. Importantly for environmentalists worried about manmade climate change, what’s best for reducing greenhouse gas emissions isn’t necessarily what’s best for GE, AES or their joint venture.

Companies that lobby for and profit from environmental regulations often get a free pass from critics who otherwise rush to assail corporate profits. As Timothy Noah wrote in Slate seven years ago, “the mere fact that Enron stood to benefit financially from the Kyoto Treaty, and therefore was pushing energetically for its passage, doesn’t in itself constitute an argument against the Kyoto Treaty.”

It’s true that corporate profit and environmental gain aren’t necessarily at odds. But the details of how AES and GHGS plan to turn carbon constraints into profits show how the idealistic goals of the environmentalists can be perverted and undermined by businesses looking to turn green into greenbacks.

Waxman-Markey would drive down the price of the coal AES will burn in Enron’s old Nigerian plants and in AES new Chilean and Vietnamese plants. Simultaneously, if crafted the right way the bill would drive up demand for the carbon offsets the company is selling here through its joint venture with GE.

Enron may be long gone, but in AES and GE, its spirit lives on.

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Obama’s hidden bailout of General Electric ( Cap and trade taxes )
Washington Examiner ^ | March 3rd, 2009 | Timothy P Carney
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Obamas-hidden-bailout-of-General-Electric_03_04-40686707.html

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Waxman-Markey cap-and-trade bill stuffed full of unpleasant surprises
By: Examiner Editorial 05/22/09 4:39 AM EDT
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Waxman-Markey-cap-and-trade-bill-stuffed-full-of-unpleasant-surprises-45836042.html

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Also see here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2258900/posts?page=10#10
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2258900/posts?page=13#13


8 posted on 04/11/2010 5:53:37 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Jim Wallis speaks for Christians the same way that Jesse Jackson speaks for all blacks.)
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To: EBH

Meanwhile, you buy the new higher priced appliances, the ‘poor people’s appliances’ is bought by the government ... it’s called REPARATIONS.

And all being done for a lie.

Aren’t you going to be shocked when you can’t sell your home with the old appliances. And wait until you see the tax paid on selling your home.

Meanwhile, low cost nuclear power is not being used ... Wierd isn’t it how we will be watching energy costs skyrocket, just like dumbo said he would.


9 posted on 04/11/2010 5:53:59 PM PDT by Tarpon ( ...Rude crude socialist Obama depends on ignorance to force his will on people)
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To: Tainan
Since President Obama came to office, DOE has issued or codified ...

DOE sure has a lot of authority.

10 posted on 04/11/2010 5:54:10 PM PDT by EBH (Our First Right...."it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,")
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To: EBH
If I want to pay $5/month extra to the gas company rather than $1500 to replace the heater, that is my choice to make.
It makes better sense, economically or energy-wise, to keep your appliances until they break down.

11 posted on 04/11/2010 5:58:57 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: beebuster2000
what they mean is, you will pay a ton more for your water heater, and the “savings” wont offsett the higher initial cost.

Exactly. And, it probably means that if you have a gas water heater, it will be pilotless, and will need electricity to operate. So, if you have a power outage, you will not have the service of your water heater.

12 posted on 04/11/2010 5:58:57 PM PDT by meyer (It's time...)
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To: BitWielder1

Ahhh...but wait ...what if you want to sell your house say in 5 years.

Under the Cap N Tax bill you might not be able to, unless you are willing to take a huge hit in your asking price.


13 posted on 04/11/2010 6:00:38 PM PDT by EBH (Our First Right...."it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,")
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To: Tainan
“Tankless water heaters.

The only way to go.”

Unless you see this as just one more Government intrusion in how I live. Then you might feel like “hey, I can decide for myself which friggin water heater I need”.

14 posted on 04/11/2010 6:00:57 PM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 393)
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To: BitWielder1

I’m thinking of buying a spare water heater. Standard 40 gallon gas unit. Mine’s 11 years old, and is bound to fail in the not-too-distant future. I’d rather replace it with a proven low-cost unit than to have to pay $$$ for one that saves me $2 per month on my gas bill.


15 posted on 04/11/2010 6:02:03 PM PDT by meyer (It's time...)
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To: EBH
DOE’s Secretary Steven Chu

This man is certifiaby nuts. He thinks that you should paint your roof white so it will reflect heat back and we can stop "global warming", which isn't happening. They have actually let all of the lunatics out of the asylum and given them regulatory power.

16 posted on 04/11/2010 6:03:18 PM PDT by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: EBH

While Government Royalty wallows in excess at our expense, and excempt themselves from all this “environmental” b.s.

We have ourselves to blame when we let the schools endoctrinate generations with environmental religeon. And now, wa-la, no sacrifice to great if it’s for Mother Nature.


17 posted on 04/11/2010 6:03:46 PM PDT by WestwardHo (Whom the god would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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GE CEO: “We are all Democrats Now”
Economic Policy Journal ^ | 11/16/09 | Robert Wenzel
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2387406/posts

Thanks to some great reporting at WSJ by Elizabeth Williamson and Paul Glader, now we know why General Electric CEO Jeffrey Immelt has been to the White House five times since President Obama has occupied the place. He wants GE to out do Goldman Sachs and Carlyle Group combined as the biggest pig at the trough of corporate handouts. David Rubenstein looks like an amateur compared to Immelt. From WSJ’s report: The financial crisis hasn’t been kind to General Electric Co. Its stock has lost almost half its value, the government has stepped in to prop up its enormous financial arm, and sales have slumped in core industrial businesses.

But Chief Executive Jeffrey Immelt now has his eye on a huge new pool of potential revenue: Uncle Sam’s stimulus dollars. Mr. Immelt, a registered Republican, quips about the shift in thinking in the nation’s corner offices: “We’re all Democrats now.”...

The government has taken on a giant role in the U.S. economy over the past year, penetrating further into the private sector than anytime since the 1930s. Some companies are treating the government’s growing reach — and ample purse — as a giant opportunity, and are tailoring their strategies accordingly. For GE, once a symbol of boom-time capitalism, the changed landscape has left it trawling for government dollars on four continents.

“The government has moved in next door, and it ain’t leaving,” Mr. Immelt said at the International Economic Forum of the Americas in Montreal in June. “You could fight it if you want, but society wants change. And government is not going away.”

GE has high hopes for the strategy. It says that over the next three years or so it could bring in as much as $192 billion from projects funded by governments around the globe, such as electric-grid modernization, renewable-energy generation and health-care technology upgrades...

Reporters who called the Obama administration for information on renewable-energy provisions in the legislation were directed to GE...

When the stimulus package was rolled out, Mr. Immelt instructed executives leading the company’s major business units “to put together swat teams to get stimulus money, and [identify] who to fire if they don’t get the money,” says a person who heard him issue the instructions.

In February, a few days after President Obama signed the stimulus plan, GE lawyers, lobbyists and executives crowded into a conference room at GE’s Washington office to figure out how to parlay billions of dollars in spending provisions into GE contracts... You have to wonder what Immelt promised Obama and Rham Emmanuel in return. Buying off those boys doesn’t come cheap.

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GE [hopes] To Make BILLIONS From Obama Cap and Trade Scheme
http://thecommonconservative.com/?tag=jeffery-immelt

GE bought up all the ENRON assets during the “ENRON fire sale.” they took a gamble on “new energy” and they are pissed that we are not biting ...... 12

GE amd GS [Goldman Sachs] are pigs of a different breed, but pigs nonetheless. Both are big into the Al Gore, environmental capitalism game. GS wants to control the market for carbon credits (selling free air for $ is even better than the tulip bulb scam of the 1600’s), and GE wants to sell energy efficient light bulbs, windmills, etc to the consumer via gov’t enforced mandates.

‘Green Week’ on the NBC affiliates is nothing more than corporate brainwashing of the masses in the name of making GE more money. The fact so many people do not see through this crap is amazing.

Environmentalism today is a toxic combination of enivro-wacko, anti-capialists like the WWF, Greenpeace, and Sierra Clubs, combined with the Wall St fraudsters like UBS, GS, JPM, combined with the Democratic Party. Each stands to benefit in their own way, to the detriment of the freedom, liberty and economic well being of the average citizen. 15

.. in Immelt’s case he supported BO for a reason $$$$ just like goldman sachs, jp morgan, etc $$$ and that $$$ is coming from your wallet in the end! And those banks supporting Acorn all the while whining they were forced yes well had they not offered those loans in the first place they could not have been forced and it didn’t seem to bother them to fund ACORN and the black panthers because in the end we PAID!


18 posted on 04/11/2010 6:04:34 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Jim Wallis speaks for Christians the same way that Jesse Jackson speaks for all blacks.)
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To: EBH
DOE’s Secretary Steven Chu has announced the Department has finalized higher energy efficiency standards for a key group of heating appliances that will together save consumers up to $10 billion

Case 1: This is true and consumers are so stupid that you have to force them to save money on a purchase.

Case 2: This is yet another lie from the Obama administration.

My money is on case 2.

19 posted on 04/11/2010 6:06:31 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: EBH
Yea, I know.
It's criminal how they think nothing of imposing new costs on private citizens.
It doesn't make economic sense, energy sense or even CO2 sense.
20 posted on 04/11/2010 6:06:52 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: EBH
People will read this edict and think, "Oh, they have designed a water heater that will save me money. I'd like to buy one!"

Stupid people won't realize that the technology doesn't exist yet and may not in the future yet this edict will make it law.

I hate these people in the WH.

21 posted on 04/11/2010 6:09:13 PM PDT by raybbr (I hate B(ig) H(ead) Obama)
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To: meyer

Solar water heaters are becoming more popular here in Florida. A friend says he expects to pay his off in a year with the savings.

Of course you still have to have the other kind to augment it.


22 posted on 04/11/2010 6:09:34 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: EBH
prevent up to 164 million metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions over 30 years

And we need to do that why, exactly? I mean, now that the man-made global warming agenda has been thoroughly debunked.

Oh, that's right. 95% of climate scientists still agree with the basic global warming scenario. At least that's what the Obama administration and the NYT say. I'll be more impressed when they show us the names and credentials. (Funny, they never do that).

23 posted on 04/11/2010 6:12:07 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: EBH

The hot water runs out too fast now. Mess with my shower and I might be forced to raise a massive stink.


24 posted on 04/11/2010 6:13:22 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: EBH

I just replaced my waterheater a few months ago so FUBO.


25 posted on 04/11/2010 6:17:31 PM PDT by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: EBH

Every time the scumbags come up with stuff like this it reminds me to go gather some more firewood for next winter. I love the smell of wood smoke drifting through the sky and over the trees.


26 posted on 04/11/2010 6:21:00 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Bahbah

There is old example of envirostupidity in NYC.
They changed all the toilets for “water saving” toilets.
The result?
Clugged sewer drains, now they have to flush twice to get the sheeet moving = more water used than before.
Brilllliant politican’s “solution”, sheeeesht!


27 posted on 04/11/2010 6:22:43 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: EBH

May save money energy wise, but what kind of price tag are we talking about to buy these things? Everything they do in Washington is costing citizens money one way or another.


28 posted on 04/11/2010 6:22:50 PM PDT by 3catsanadog (If healthcare reform is passed, 41 years old will be the new 65 YO.)
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To: EBH
DOE will continue to work aggressively and consistently to enforce energy efficiency standards across the country.

Oh, really? Is there a provision for DOE shotguns tucked into the Healthcare Bill?

29 posted on 04/11/2010 6:23:09 PM PDT by shezza (God bless America, land that I love!)
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To: Bahbah

There is old example of envirostupidity in NYC.
They changed all the toilets for “water saving” toilets.
The result?
Clugged sewer drains, now they have to flush twice to get the sheeet moving = more water used than before.
Brilllliant politican’s “solution”, sheeeesht!


30 posted on 04/11/2010 6:25:43 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: EBH

...carbon dioxide emissions...? They still pushing ahead with the global warming hoax?


31 posted on 04/11/2010 6:30:48 PM PDT by abclily
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To: Matchett-PI

See how the left works? On the one hand, they are throwing compact fluorescent lights at us and almost demand that we use them despite the fact they each have mercury in them. On the other hand “improvements” are forced on us in order to “protect the environment” by reducing mercury. Go figure.


32 posted on 04/11/2010 6:54:44 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: TruthConquers
Point taken about having a tankfull in the event of an emergency. My point is in regards to the efficiency of only heating water when you need it, always having 'enough hot water' and having what amounts to 'instant-on' hot water.

Having extra water for emergency events is an important consideration.
When/If that happens and gas & electric are not available, then either solar power heaters or propane might be the answer. A fire works also.
33 posted on 04/11/2010 7:11:22 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: RobRoy

LOL!!!!!!!!!!! Me too!!!!


34 posted on 04/11/2010 7:28:31 PM PDT by therut
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To: EBH

ping


35 posted on 04/11/2010 7:42:34 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: EBH
So the Destroy Our Economy bureaucrats are at it again!
36 posted on 04/11/2010 8:21:48 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !! )
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To: EBH
TAX THIS!!
37 posted on 04/11/2010 8:23:29 PM PDT by mirkwood
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To: EBH

This won’t make a dent in carbon dioxide emissions. The rest of the world will negate whatever we do a million times over. Think China and India. They will follow what we do....yeah right.


38 posted on 04/11/2010 8:34:28 PM PDT by Swede Girl
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To: Desdemona
Mess with my shower and I might be forced to raise a massive stink.

In every sense of the expression.

39 posted on 04/11/2010 8:40:47 PM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: Leo Carpathian
Better yet.

In a town in upstate NY, septic tanks were replaced with a sewer system. The system built was too big so now they have to dump tons of dry dog food in there due to lack of bacteria.

40 posted on 04/11/2010 8:41:43 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: 3catsanadog
Everything they do in Washington is costing citizens money one way or another.

It's almost like they intended it that way....

41 posted on 04/11/2010 8:42:42 PM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: screaminsunshine

All this for a big contributor, GE


42 posted on 04/11/2010 9:01:08 PM PDT by gunner03
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To: mirkwood

LOL! A Hillbilly Jacuzzi!


43 posted on 04/12/2010 12:54:15 AM PDT by Mister Muggles (.Seattle: A city full of Liberal men with vaginas.)
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To: EBH
DOE’s Secretary Steven Chu has announced the Department has finalized higher energy efficiency standards for a key group of heating appliances that will together save consumers up to $10 billion and prevent up to 164 million metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions over 30 years

Who's keeping a water heater or furnace for 30 years?

44 posted on 04/12/2010 3:11:25 AM PDT by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: EBH

We just installed a new boiler and hot water heater in December. (Not the best time to do it in New Jersey) Makes we glad we didn’t wait — and we got a $1500 tax credit.


45 posted on 04/12/2010 3:43:21 AM PDT by ContraryMary (GWB -- He kept us safe after 9/11)
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To: ContraryMary

Lots of little upgrades have been done here too. New water heater several yrs. back. Replacement of the aluminum clad windows from 1972, attic insulation, soffits, gutters....

I am glad I did it all now and not wait another year or two.

All I have left is a few fresh coats of paint inside, poly the wood floors, and we’re nicely nested.


46 posted on 04/12/2010 4:32:00 AM PDT by EBH (Our First Right...."it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,")
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